Josh Dobbs - NFL Draft thread (merged)

[Burger]

He is talking about maturity of a person as both a player and an individual. Given the media focus that is on the players these days, that maturity is probably more important than it has ever been.

Fans like to support a team and player that they can be proud of, off and on the field. The younger players don't always have that maturity.

I will say that all the Tennessee candidates appear to not only be good players but good young men as well.

The last sentence is extremely true, but it's gotten us no where in terms of championships. Dobbs isn't the only 4 year player in the draft.

 

[Rifleman]

That's simply not true. There is a reason Dobbs is flying up draft boards and is projected to go in the second round. He's made plenty of NFL throws. You just simply don't know enough about football to see it.

I am glad Dobbs is making headway in what is universally accepted to be a weak class at his position. It would be truly remarkable if he cracks the second round.

In a few years, he may be a solid NFL QB, but he is not going to be tearing up the league next year as you are claiming.

The ideal that he has not struggled at UT with the kind of throws you must make on most successful drives in the NFL . . . well, that is just pure fantasy on your part.

Since you question my knowledge of the game, here is a chart of every throw from his Senior season. He made a few great throws, but it is quite obvious that he really struggled with the intermediate range passes and sideline patterns.

In addition, his accuracy numbers are padded by the fact that 37% of all of Dobbs' passes were hitches and RB routes.

He completed 4 corner routes all year, along with 2 picks.

He was just over 50% hitting crossing routes with poor YAC due to throwing balls behind receivers.

 

[volfan2024]

I like Josh as much as the next fan but isn't he a former player now.

 

[Iam4utalways]

i like josh as much as the next fan but isn't he a former player now.

vfl

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

After Josh becomes a superstar in the NFL, McShay is gonna look like a genius.

[Twitter]https://twitter.com/vandy_62/status/856511288977051649[/Twitter]

 

[NashVol11]

Former Bucs GM Mark Dominik says second round. Again, I don't think I'd take him there, but I'm happy for him

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2017/i...9852/2017-nfl-draft-prospects-go-higher-think

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Former Bucs GM Mark Dominik says second round. Again, I don't think I'd take him there, but I'm happy for him

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2017/i...9852/2017-nfl-draft-prospects-go-higher-think

I've said it from the beginning that someone will take Dobbs much higher than everyone else values him.

If Dobbs is now viewed around the NFL as a 2nd round pick, then I'm betting someone takes him in the 1st round.

There will be one team that wants him more than everyone else and is willing to overpay to make sure they can secure him.

 

[BearCat204]

I've said it from the beginning that someone will take Dobbs much higher than everyone else values him.

If Dobbs is now viewed around the NFL as a 2nd round pick, then I'm betting someone takes him in the 1st round.

There will be one team that wants him more than everyone else and is willing to overpay to make sure they can secure him.

You have literally said everything about Dobbs. When you have thrown out 20 dozen different "expert predictions" you are bound to be remotely close once.

 

[KBVol]

Former Bucs GM Mark Dominik says second round. Again, I don't think I'd take him there, but I'm happy for him

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2017/i...9852/2017-nfl-draft-prospects-go-higher-think

This draft for QBs is hard to figure, so much disparate information. On one hand, several guys like Ron Jaworski saying it's such a weak qb class that none of them is worthy of a 1st Rd selection. But then others are saying a guy like Dobbs, who's considered the 6th or 7th qb in the draft, may sneak into the 2nd or even 1st round. Makes no sense. Guess we'll see later this week. Just hope I'm wrong here and Dobbs goes before the 4th or later rounds, which is where I still think he goes until I see he doesn't.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

This draft for QBs is hard to figure, so much disparate information. On one hand, several guys like Ron Jaworski saying it's such a weak qb class that none of them is worthy of a 1st Rd selection. But then others are saying a guy like Dobbs, who's considered the 6th or 7th qb in the draft, may sneak into the 2nd or even 1st round. Makes no sense. Guess we'll see later this week. Just hope I'm wrong here and Dobbs goes before the 4th or later rounds, which is where I still think he goes until I see he doesn't.

LOL. I guess you're gonna go down sinking with this ship.

Dobbs has a better chance of going in the 1st round than he does going in the 4th round.

 

[James K Folks]

D4H, Ward or PJ Walker and why, if you'd be so kind

 

[114VOL]

After Josh becomes a superstar in the NFL, McShay is gonna look like a genius.

[Twitter]https://twitter.com/vandy_62/status/856511288977051649[/Twitter]

:birgits_giggle:

If informed GMs thought he had any chance of being a superstar, Dobbs would be the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft. That being said, your posts continue to be ultra delusional

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

:birgits_giggle:

If informed GMs thought he had any chance of being a superstar, Dobbs would be the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft. That being said, your posts continue to be ultra delusional

I never said GMs were smart.

If 5 years, the top 3 players from this draft will be Josh Dobbs, Myles Garrett, and Corey Davis.

 

[jakez4ut]

LOL. I guess you're gonna go down sinking with this ship.

Dobbs has a better chance of going in the 1st round than he does going in the 4th round.

at this point, who really knows. there's not a team out there, that really needs a franchise qb, that wants a 1st rounder to be a bust. i think there's a lot of trepidation out there, on the whole, regarding the qb's, because the opinions vary so greatly.

i honestly don't know where Dobbs is going to go. the only thing that would shock me is if he was one of the 1st 3 qb's taken.

it's going to be interesting to finally find out what these teams all really think of this crop of qb's when you have to pull the trigger on someone.

you could argue that 4 qbs are taken in the 1st round.

you could also argue that only 2 of those guys are gone in the 1st round.

you figure Cleveland is going to get a QB with one of their 1st round picks, probably that 12th pick, especially if no qb's are taken ahead of that, and that's a possibility. you figure Houston will take a qb at 25.

but other than that, the teams that "need" a qb could decide to take a more known, reliable, talented player at a more. or equally, pressing need elsewhere.

SF needs a qb, but at #2, is there really one worth taking that high? The Jets need one, but again, there are a lot better players at impact positions they can get with that pick, and save the qb pick for later.

past that in the 1st round, teams that need a qb, already have an established starter, except Houston, and may be looking for a guy for the future,

i don't know how likely it is, but with as deep as this draft is, you could make an argument that it's possible only 2 qbs are taken in the 1st round....and take your chances in round 2 that your guy, or a guy like him, is still around....

then it's katy bar the door in the 2nd round, and i'd expect a pretty good run to take place.

 

[bamawriter]

I never said GMs were smart.

If 5 years, the top 3 players from this draft will be Josh Dobbs, Myles Garrett, and Corey Davis.

So your predictions have a five year window for accuracy. Love it.

 

[114VOL]

I never said GMs were smart.

If 5 years, the top 3 players from this draft will be Josh Dobbs, Myles Garrett, and Corey Davis.

Myles Garrett isn't getting a lot of love from former players. His draft status is all based on drills. Many ex-players are wondering if he's good "football" player. His stats weren't that good against good teams. Most of his sacks came against mid majors. His performance on the field wasn't even close to Barnett's. I realize former players don't know as much as you though :birgits_giggle:

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Myles Garrett isn't getting a lot of love from former players. His draft status is all based on drills. Many ex-players are wondering if he's good "football" player. His stats weren't that good against good teams. Most of his sacks came against mid majors. His performance on the field wasn't even close to Barnett's. I realize former players don't know as much as you though :birgits_giggle:

These former players are attacking him because he's perceived as soft.

I personally think he'll be great as long as he plays football. There are not many humans blessed with his physical tools.

 

[KBVol]

LOL. I guess you're gonna go down sinking with this ship.

Dobbs has a better chance of going in the 1st round than he does going in the 4th round.

For his sake I hope you're right, I love the kid and want to see him do as well as possible, get paid as much as possible, help Tennessee as much as possible. I still find it difficult to believe that a few workouts and interviews can transform what everybody universally said was a 6th - 7th round pick when he was playing, into a 1st or 2nd rounder. That's best for all involved, but yes, im sticking by 4th round or later until I see him go sooner. Same goes for Peterman....there's just no way he should go 2nd round or better either...but stranger things have happened. I'd absolutely take Josh ahead of Nate all day everyday.

 

[hndog609]

These former players are attacking him because he's perceived as soft.

I personally think he'll be great as long as he plays football. There are not many humans blessed with his physical tools.

That's a damn big part of evaluating someone. A person could literally be the most "talented" ever at their position but if you doubt their heart you're taking a sizeable risk throwing top dog money at them. And DL is someplace "soft" will really show.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

For his sake I hope you're right, I love the kid and want to see him do as well as possible, get paid as much as possible, help Tennessee as much as possible. I still find it difficult to believe that a few workouts and interviews can transform what everybody universally said was a 6th - 7th round pick when he was playing, into a 1st or 2nd rounder. That's best for all involved, but yes, im sticking by 4th round or later until I see him go sooner. Same goes for Peterman....there's just no way he should go 2nd round or better either...but stranger things have happened. I'd absolutely take Josh ahead of Nate all day everyday.

The people who were saying that don't matter. I told you this for months now. The NFL decision makers don't start looking at prospects until the senior bowl. They don't even start ranking players against each other until April. This weekend is probably when they finalized their grades on players.

What you were hearing all those months ago in December were college people trying to project guys to the league. That is why you saw Jonathan Allen #2 or even #1 on many people's lists while now he's fallen out of the top 10.

Todd McShay said as much on Rusillo and Kannell last week. He said he had Dobbs pegged as a 6th-7th rounder based on what he saw on TV and the fact Tennessee as a team disappointed. Then he went to the senior bowl and saw Dobbs light it up. That caused him to finally go and actually study the tape on Josh. When he finally started studying the tape he was shocked how good Dobbs actually was. He said Dobbs threw with anticipation and surprising accuracy. He said his receivers and lineman failed him often. He said Dobbs basically carried that offense on his back. It was actually studying his tape not the senior bowl or combine performances that made him give Dobbs a 2nd round grade.

The 6th-7th round talk was not from NFL scouts studying the tape. It was from talking heads just going off hype.

 

[bamawriter]

The people who were saying that don't matter. I told you this for months now. The NFL decision makers don't start looking at prospects until the senior bowl. They don't even start ranking players against each other until April. This weekend is probably when they finalized their grades on players.

That is absolute bat-s*** nonsense.

 

[Burger]

The people who were saying that don't matter. I told you this for months now. The NFL decision makers don't start looking at prospects until the senior bowl. They don't even start ranking players against each other until April. This weekend is probably when they finalized their grades on players.

What you were hearing all those months ago in December were college people trying to project guys to the league. That is why you saw Jonathan Allen #2 or even #1 on many people's lists while now he's fallen out of the top 10.

Todd McShay said as much on Rusillo and Kannell last week. He said he had Dobbs pegged as a 6th-7th rounder based on what he saw on TV and the fact Tennessee as a team disappointed. Then he went to the senior bowl and saw Dobbs light it up. That caused him to finally go and actually study the tape on Josh. When he finally started studying the tape he was shocked how good Dobbs actually was. He said Dobbs threw with anticipation and surprising accuracy. He said his receivers and lineman failed him often. He said Dobbs basically carried that offense on his back. It was actually studying his tape not the senior bowl or combine performances that made him give Dobbs a 2nd round grade.

The 6th-7th round talk was not from NFL scouts studying the tape. It was from talking heads just going off hype.

The scouts study tape year round. They watch college football year round also. They also go to college games. Even, Ted Thompson tours around the country during college football season.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

That is absolute bat-s*** nonsense.

The only people associated with NFL teams studying prospects before January are the college scouts. And those guys are the lowest on the totem pole. The pro personnel directors, coaches, GMs, and executives don't even get to know the players until the senior bowl and combine. From there they start studying the tape. Then they go to the pro days. Then they formulate grades and rankings on players. And on this weekend they finalise everything.

Todd McShay himself said he didn't even look at tape of Dobbs until after the senior bowl. This is why it's wrong to say Dobbs moved up from a 7th round pick to a 2nd round pick. What happened was Dobbs was never actually evaluated by the people who matter until now. Once they finally looked at him they liked what they saw. The media is only now getting news of it and that is what has suddenly made Dobbs a mover up the draft boards.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The scouts study tape year round. They watch college football year round also. They also go to college games. Even, Ted Thompson tours around the country during college football season.

The college scouts are not the guys who determine where players are graded. They do a good job collecting information and giving the guys on top names to look out for. However, the final grade on a prospect is detemined by the guys higher up on the food chain.

 

[bamawriter]

The only people associated with NFL teams studying prospects before January are the college scouts. And those guys are the lowest on the totem pole. The pro personnel directors, coaches, GMs, and executives don't even get to know the players until the senior bowl and combine. From there they start studying the tape. Then they go to the pro days. Then they formulate grades and rankings on players. And on this weekend they finalise everything.

Go ahead and double down on your bat-s*** nonsense.

Todd McShay himself said he didn't even look at tape of Dobbs until after the senior bowl. This is why it's wrong to say Dobbs moved up from a 7th round pick to a 2nd round pick. What happened was Dobbs was never actually evaluated by the people who matter until now. Once they finally looked at him they liked what they saw. The media is only now getting news of it and that is what has suddenly made Dobbs a mover up the draft boards.

Or triple down on it.