Josh Dobbs - NFL Draft thread (merged)

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#377
i can't wait til the draft is over so this will be over. just don't get it. no one and i mean no one has Dobbs as one of the top qb's in this year's draft. everytime i read anything regarding qb's in this draft, there's 5 guys that are mentioned before they get to Dobbs.

and that's not a slam on him. to the contrary, even stating what i said above, it's common knowledge now that many scouts and evaluators have been thoroughly impressed, and SURPRISED, with what they've seen of him during this evaluation period.

two years ago, it wasn't even a thought as to his draft status. today, it's almost a guarantee he's going to get drafted and likely make a roster.

too much poo pooing, and way too much hype. the truth, as is usually the case, lies in the middle. probably a 3rd or 4th round pick, depending on how many qb's are taken in the 1st two rounds. if there's a run on QB's, then i could see him going higher, if there's not, he could fall. and none of that matters as to what he'll turn out to be once he gets there.

this isn't a great QB class on the whole, and Dobbs has all the intangibles you want, and he's worked his way in to having most of the skills you want. far from a finished NFL product, but a heckuva a lot closer than he was two years ago.

everybody should just be proud of the kid.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Josh Dobbs was #1 in QB rating, TD passes, and total TDs in the SEC as a senior. He was award SEC Offensive Player of the year by Athlon Sports as a senior. He broke NFL legend Peyton Manning's school record for TDs in a season with 40 total TDs as a senior. He was less than 10 yards from breaking NFL legend Peyton Manning's school record for total yards in a season. And finally, he is 2nd all-time in total TDs for career at the University of Tennessee to NFL legend Peyton Manning.

So if you're gonna call those LEGENDARY college careers, then so was Dobbs career at Tennessee.

Personally when I think of a legendary college career I think of Reggie Bush, Vince Young, Tim Tebow, and Cam Newton. I'm talking guys that win Heismans and/or national titles. I don't think someone is a legend in college football if they have a productive career with a conference honor here or there like JJ Watt or Josh Dobbs.

College legends are the guys who for 2-3 years are the face of college football like Tim Tebow and Reggie Bush. Guys like that rarely have great NFL careers. Cam Newton being the rare outlier.
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Josh Dobbs was the best QB in a horrible SEC QB year. His passing numbers are meh, but his running numbers are good. Hence why my comparison is Joe Webb.

Everytime Dobbs had to win a game with his arm, we often fell short. Oklahoma in 15, Florida in 15, South Carolina. Dobbs thrived when defenses could not keep contain or contain him. In the NFL, he will be contained.
 
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Burger said:
Josh Dobbs was the best QB in a horrible SEC QB year. His passing numbers are meh, but his running numbers are good. Hence why my comparison is Joe Webb.

Everytime Dobbs had to win a game with his arm, we often fell short. Oklahoma in 15, Florida in 15, South Carolina. Dobbs thrived when defenses could not keep contain or contain him. In the NFL, he will be contained.
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1. Regardless of how good or bad his competition was in the SEC, he still had one of the most prolific seasons in SEC history for a QB when it comes to scoring. 40 TDs is 40 TDs regardless of who the other QBs in the conference are. And he did lead Tennessee to a school record for points scored. And last I checked a QBs job is to score points.

2. Tennessee falling short in 2015 was on Butch Jones and his horrible game management and play calling especially against Oklahoma and Florida not Dobbs passing ability. South Carolina 2016 is really the only loss you can put on Josh but even then we had the whole Jalen Hurd fiasco going on that game.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
That's not really relevant to the discussion though.

We were just saying a situation like that where he could sit behind an established guy for a few seasons (like Aaron Rodgers did) would be ideal.

Where he gets drafted doesn't have much to do with that.
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I get that.. but most of those established QBs have established backups. Only scenario Dobbs can land in a situation like that is Steelers or Detroit.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
1. Regardless of how good or bad his competition was in the SEC, he still had one of the most prolific seasons in SEC history for a QB when it comes to scoring. 40 TDs is 40 TDs regardless of who the other QBs in the conference are. And he did lead Tennessee to a school record for points scored. And last I checked a QBs job is to score points.

2. Tennessee falling short in 2015 was on Butch Jones and his horrible game management and play calling especially against Oklahoma and Florida not Dobbs passing ability. South Carolina 2016 is really the only loss you can put on Josh but even then we had the whole Jalen Hurd fiasco going on that game.
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I'll give ya point #1. Josh Dobbs was known for missing throws into the ground and way over thrown. He's also known for not seeing beyond WR #1.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
1. Regardless of how good or bad his competition was in the SEC, he still had one of the most prolific seasons in SEC history for a QB when it comes to scoring. 40 TDs is 40 TDs regardless of who the other QBs in the conference are. And he did lead Tennessee to a school record for points scored. And last I checked a QBs job is to score points.

2. Tennessee falling short in 2015 was on Butch Jones and his horrible game management and play calling especially against Oklahoma and Florida not Dobbs passing ability. South Carolina 2016 is really the only loss you can put on Josh but even then we had the whole Jalen Hurd fiasco going on that game.
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Actually Dobbs had a lot to do with the OK loss.
 
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Nasavol said:
And the FL loss...
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Not a chance. He was outstanding running (and catching) the ball that day. Had about 280 total yards that game, wasn't his fault they didn't let him throw the ball that day....made some big throws on the last drive to move the ball despite Jones' awful clock management. Led offense to 27 points, should've been enough. No way that loss was on Josh.
 
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KBVol said:
Not a chance. He was outstanding running (and catching) the ball that day. Had about 280 total yards that game, wasn't his fault they didn't let him throw the ball that day....made some big throws on the last drive to move the ball despite Jones' awful clock management. Led offense to 27 points, should've been enough. No way that loss was on Josh.
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His passing line says different.
 
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Nasavol said:
Dude he had 83 freaking yards passing and 1 td receiving. 58% completion rate and could not convert a 3rd down, yes he contributed to the loss.
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We were 7 of 16 on 3rd down conversions, 44% which is very good, especially against a great UF defense.

Prior to the last drive, we called 14 passes. Come on man, be fair here. Dobbs was outstanding that day making plays, no way the loss was on him. It was on Jones and no getting off the field on FOURTH down.
 
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Burger said:
There's a reason why.
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Yeah, because Dobbs was killing em running and catching the ball (and Hurd had 100 yards), we got a two TD lead, and Butch and Debord packed it, went ultra conservative and tried to hang on to win rather than take it.

Also, recall that Dobbs had a td pass to Pearson called back.
 
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#393
He had 1 catch on a trick play. There was a reason why we didn't pass across the middle, and tat ain't on Butch. convert on the last possession and we are not having this discussion.

You do not win in the SEC with 83 yds passing. No argument or discussion changes that fact.
 
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KBVol said:
Yeah, because Dobbs was killing em running and catching the ball (and Hurd had 100 yards), we got a two TD lead, and Butch and Debord packed it, went ultra conservative and tried to hang on to win rather than take it.

Also, recall that Dobbs had a td pass to Pearson called back.
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Then it wasn't a TD, just another incompletion.
 
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Nasavol said:
Then it wasn't a TD, just another incompletion.
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That's lame.

22yd td pass on 3rd and 8 that was called back because Coleman Thomas was illegally downfield. Came back on next play, 3rd and 13 converted to 1st down with 17 yd pass to Wolf.
 
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Nasavol said:
He had 1 catch on a trick play. There was a reason why we didn't pass across the middle, and tat ain't on Butch. convert on the last possession and we are not having this discussion.

You do not win in the SEC with 83 yds passing. No argument or discussion changes that fact.
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The reason: 254 yards rushing.

Fl win the game with a whopping 260 yards passing. Almost 1/3 of which came on their last possession. They went on to win the division btw...,on that stellar passing attack they rode to ATL. Jeez.

There is only one reason we lost that game.

And it's not Dobbs.
 
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Nasavol said:
Dude he had 83 freaking yards passing and 1 td receiving. 58% completion rate and could not convert a 3rd down, yes he contributed to the loss.
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We barely attempted to throw the ball that game. Not because Dobbs can't pass but because we couldn't protect. Did you even watch the game? Florida's d-line was making our o-line look like turncoats all game.

That game is actually one of Dobbs greatest performances at Tennessee. He nearly willed us to victory on his grit and running ability.

A traditional dropback passer would have looked like Nathan Peterman vs Florida circa 2013. No other QB coulda survived that game playing against that d-line with the offensive line we trotted out.
 
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Burger said:
His passing line says different.
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Go watch the first two drives of that game and see what happened when we tried to drop back to pass.

Dobbs didn't even have a chance to get to his second read before being blindsided by the Florida defensive lineman.

We were getting slaughtered up front. That is why we had to go pure read option the rest of the game and it's why we kept going empty backfield 5 WRs and then running QB draws with Dobbs.

Our o-line gave us no opportunity to pass the ball that game.
 
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We didn't need to pass. We averaged 5 ypc, they had no answer for the run game.

Why we lost? Pat instead of 2pt. Conservative play calling on 2nd to last possession. Ultra conservative defensive call on that 4th down with abysmal execution. terrible clock and personnel management on the last possession.

And the final nail... a fg that was 6" too far right.

Everything else up to that point was winning football.
 
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Old Geezer said:
Sorry, but you, like so many others, have been proven wrong. Peterman has exceptional accuracy and ball placement skills. He beat Clemson and was the best QB at the Senior Bowl. He also stood out at the combine.

Dobbs is a great character guy who is like a deer in the open field. Unfortunately, his accuracy was always very spotty at best. Dobbs was QB because we had no O-line protection and Dobbs could make a blitzing defense pay by his running ability. The rest is mythology.
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I read both of your posts on Peterman. They sounded great until you actually look at the numbers! Dobbs threw for more yards than Peterman for each of the past two seasons. Dobbs had more touchdowns in 2016. AND Dobbs completion percentage was higher than Peterman. Now how do you make such claims about exceptional accuracy? Just doesn't compute for me.
 
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