Josh Dobbs - NFL Draft thread (merged)

[82_VOL_83]

The guy probably threw for 10,000 yards and 80 TDs in college. He might not have proven to be NFL ready, but it's hard to argue that he wasn't a good college passer.

Edit: I looked it up. It was 9,285 and 88 TDs. Hard as it may be to believe, Tebow is 14th all time in passing yardage in SEC history.

Close enough for D4H..

 

[hndog609]

You would have a point if I didn't say months ago that what these guys say in April would be worth listening to.

I got into this exact same argument with KBVol in January before the senior bowl when he happily cited all these "draft experts" that were saying Dobbs was a 6th-7th round pick. I said wait until the weeks leading up to the draft. That is when we would get reliable info on exactly where Dobbs draft stock was. I said in January that we hadn't yet heard from the guys in NFL front offices. I said they don't even start ranking players on their boards until after the combine.

All we hear from guys like Kiper before this time of the year is conjecture. Which is why every year in the draft people are surprised some guys rise and others fall as we get closer to the draft. The truth isn't that guys are actually falling or rising. It's just that guys like Kiper are finally getting reliable info as NFL teams start finalizing their boards. Before this time of the year, they're just spouting nonsense.

So then why would you cite this from all the way back in May of last year regarding this draft?

Kiper high on several Vols for 2017 NFL Draft

Just behind Fournette and Chubb. And imo by the time 2017 comes Hurd should easily go ahead of Chubb.

Hurd is a definite 1st rounder.

Now where is KBVol and all the other guys saying Hurd wouldn't be one of the top 3-4 rated RBs for 2017?

And here's a real gem from that same thread.

He (we're talking about KIPER) isnt infallible. Even Kiper misses on some.

I'm confident Dobbs will be the 1st or 2nd QB taken in the 2017 draft.

If the conversation isn't worthy that far in advance (much less from Kiper) why are you making the reference?

It certainly isn't worth an extended search but how many times do you think, nowhere near the draft, you've cited various pundits when they just so happen to say something you like? I'm guessing this site is full of examples.

 

[Dougie_D]

First of all, the NFL isn't a development program for QB's. How long he'll play in the NFL, getting his shot at starter, will all depend on 2 factors : 1 - His draft pick/round (which basically equals to how much money the team is willing to spend) AND 2 - the QB depth/roster chart.

If he gets drafted 5-7th round he'll need even MORE luck. If he gets drafted in 2nd -3rd round, then he'll be a main backup in the NFL or will try to be showcased to other teams. That's how it works. Think of the likes of Garoppolo, Osweiler, Foles, etc.. They were all drafted by 3rd. Dak was drafted in 4th round, but Dallas had him 3rd string and HE JUST GOT EXTEMELY LUCKY to have his chance early on. Dobbs already got his lucky start that way in college. I doubt he'll be lucky twice.


There is little to no margin of error when it comes to QB play.

QB's are becoming like RB's in this league. The turnover ratio is going crazy.

Teams I feel like he should go to --- (some of these QBs I mention may get cut or be off roster, but I'm basing off whatever their team page gave me)

1. STEELERS- Landry isn't gonna be their 2nd stringer much longer, and Big Ben is becoming more injury prone than ever. Not sure if they want to keep Mettenberger either.

2. DETROIT - They are SUPER THIN with QB's. If they don't end up snagging a "proven 2nd stringer" then I think they will draft a QB. Their back-up hasn't played a single game yet? But remember, he was drafted in 6th round just last year. If Dobbs goes here and gets drafted in 3rd round, he will definitely be groomed for back-up duties.

3. COLTS - Luck's luck might be running out, and if there was time to ever consider drafting a solid back up for him it would be now. The Colts only other 2 were basically fee agents. If the Colts draft any QB in a draft, whoever it is, will be a sure thing to be groomed as their next in line.

4. ARIZONA - Drew Stanton is primarily the back-up for Carson Palmer. NOT the back-up for the team. I can see them drafting a QB in 3rd/4th round. Stantons contract expires in 2018 too.

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Any other team he goes to I think he gets screwed up in the mix/rotation and doesn't last long in NFL.

 

[KBVol]

So then why would you cite this from all the way back in May of last year regarding this draft?



And here's a real gem from that same thread.

If the conversation isn't worthy that far in advance (much less from Kiper) why are you making the reference?

It certainly isn't worth an extended search but how many times do you think, nowhere near the draft, you've cited various pundits when they just so happen to say something you like? I'm guessing this site is full of examples.

Boom. Well done. D4H's hypocrisy is legendary.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Well you must be blind. Anytime someone post a positive story guys can't wait to shout how bad Dobbs is, how he can't pass, how he won't be drafted or will be drafted in the 6th or 7th.

No matter the stats that prove them wrong, or the good workouts and Sr Bowl performance people bash him. A draft expert speaks highly of him and people bash the expert and whoever posted it.

Everyone sees it. The only ones trying to act like it doesn't happen are the guys with the agendas doing all the bashing.

No, there are only about 3 or 4 people here that have a Josh Dobbs agenda or a support D4H agenda. That my friend, is VERY obvious.

 

[bamawriter]

So then why would you cite this from all the way back in May of last year regarding this draft?



And here's a real gem from that same thread.

If the conversation isn't worthy that far in advance (much less from Kiper) why are you making the reference?

It certainly isn't worth an extended search but how many times do you think, nowhere near the draft, you've cited various pundits when they just so happen to say something you like? I'm guessing this site is full of examples.

The spin on this one is going to be legendary. I wish it was possible for me to pre like it.

 

[Nasavol]

Dobbs is the most elusive runner to enter the NFL since Randall Cunningham. He rarely takes a big hit and just knows how to avoid contact.

Randall Cunningham ran for 900 yards one year. With the read option being more prominent now, I think Dobbs can hit 1000 yards.

He'll be a phenomenon the league has not seen since Randall.

Steve Young says hello...

 

[82_VOL_83]

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/t...-believes-joshua-dobbs-go-high-round-2-draft/

A few months ago most on here were citing Mel Kiper Jr. and many other analysts that said Dobbs would be a 6th-7th round pick. I said hold on. The draft process was only beginning. That NFL people had not yet even started properly evaluating guys like Dobbs. And I predicted that Dobbs would improve his draft stock tremendously by performing well at the senior bowl, the combine, and his pro day.

I said in the end he would be viewed as a solid 3rd round prospect and that at least one team would fall in love with him and take him earlier than most in the 2nd round. Looks like that scenario is playing itself out right now.

So he started out at 5k yards his first year and a top 10 draft choice and now he is solid 3rd round. Do you not see where the ridicule comes from? By draft day you will have him solid early 5th round.

 

[KBVol]

Steve Young says hello...

And Michael Vick already stopped by to give his regards

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

So he started out at 5k yards his first year and a top 10 draft choice and now he is solid 3rd round. Do you not see where the ridicule comes from? By draft day you will have him solid early 5th round.

I would take Dobbs 1st overall. He had ALWAYS been a first round talent according to my own evaluation. I expect him to have a LEGENDARY pro career.

The solid 3rd round pick is based on the buzz I'm hearing right now. I haven't changed MY EVALUATION of Dobbs at all. It's everyone else that is changing.

 

[Burger]

I would take Dobbs 1st overall. He had ALWAYS been a first round talent according to my own evaluation. I expect him to have a LEGENDARY pro career.

The solid 3rd round pick is based on the buzz I'm hearing right now. I haven't changed MY EVALUATION of Dobbs at all. It's everyone else that is changing.

I'm seeing 4th/5th. There's nothing about his passing game that screams legendary.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I'm seeing 4th/5th. There's nothing about his passing game that screams legendary.

Nothing about Jerry Rice's college career screamed LEGENDARY before he got to the NFL. Nothing about Tom Brady's college career screamed LEGENDARY before he got to the NFL. Nothing about JJ Watt's college career screamed LEGENDARY before he got to the NFL.

NFL legends are rarely legends in college.

 

[Burger]

Nothing about Jerry Rice's college career screamed LEGENDARY before he got to the NFL. Nothing about Tom Brady's college career screamed LEGENDARY before he got to the NFL. Nothing about JJ Watt's college career screamed LEGENDARY before he got to the NFL.

NFL legends are rarely legends in college.

Rice kept breaking his own records in college, and his college career was just as legendary as his pro career. JJ Watt won the Ronnie Lott trophy as a defensive lineman and is among big ten historical leaders in TFL. Tom Brady was #1 in accuracy and passing efficency in the Big 10. Brady had the least whelming college career, but all of those guys were great in college.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I actually really like the Steelers as a landing spot for Dobbs (though I dislike the team itself). Sitting behind Big Ben for a few seasons before taking over or getting a chance in free agency to go try to take over as a starter would be good for his development.

I thinks Dobbs can have success in the NFL, but I do think that he's gonna need some time to work on things in his game and adjust. I hope he isn't thrown to the fire too early.

 

[Burger]

I actually really like the Steelers as a landing spot for Dobbs (though I dislike the team itself). Sitting behind Big Ben for a few seasons before taking over or getting a chance in free agency to go try to take over as a starter would be good for his development.

I thinks Dobbs can have success in the NFL, but I do think that he's gonna need some time to work on things in his game and adjust. I hope he isn't thrown to the fire too early.

Your last sentence is the biggest problem. There is apparently a huge shortage of decent QBs. If Dobbs goes to where he will have to play, I don't see him going much farther than 4 years. If he can sit behind someone like Aaron Rodgers, he will be decent to good. I'm placing my chips on the clipboard holder who decides to design planes when he realizes he will never start permanently.

 

[Dougie_D]

Your last sentence is the biggest problem. There is apparently a huge shortage of decent QBs. If Dobbs goes to where he will have to play, I don't see him going much farther than 4 years. If he can sit behind someone like Aaron Rodgers, he will be decent to good. I'm placing my chips on the clipboard holder who decides to design planes when he realizes he will never start permanently.

He would be a 3rd/4th stringer if he goes to Green Bay.

That would be like the worst place for him to go to

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

He would be a 3rd/4th stringer if he goes to Green Bay.

That would be like the worst place for him to go to

He means like Aaron Rodgers was able to do his first few seasons behind Brett Favre. Not for the Packers.

 

[Burger]

He would be a 3rd/4th stringer if he goes to Green Bay.

That would be like the worst place for him to go to

He would be able to develop into a better passer without a lot of pressure.

 

[Dougie_D]

He means like Aaron Rodgers was able to do his first few seasons behind Brett Favre. Not for the Packers.

Rodgers was a first rounder. Which means the team put lots of stock in him.

Nobody has Dobbs as a first rounder.

Wasn't TeBow a first rounder? He gotta lot chances.

 

[Dougie_D]

He would be able to develop into a better passer without a lot of pressure.

NFL doesn't develop! If that's the case we would continue to know who the QBs are each year for teams and teams wouldn't need them

It was clear as day that Rodgers was going to be next in line.

Dobbs best chances are Steelers or Detroit IMO
And he better hope Big Ben or Stafford gets hurt

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Rice kept breaking his own records in college, and his college career was just as legendary as his pro career. JJ Watt won the Ronnie Lott trophy as a defensive lineman and is among big ten historical leaders in TFL. Tom Brady was #1 in accuracy and passing efficency in the Big 10. Brady had the least whelming college career, but all of those guys were great in college.

Josh Dobbs was #1 in QB rating, TD passes, and total TDs in the SEC as a senior. He was award SEC Offensive Player of the year by Athlon Sports as a senior. He broke NFL legend Peyton Manning's school record for TDs in a season with 40 total TDs as a senior. He was less than 10 yards from breaking NFL legend Peyton Manning's school record for total yards in a season. And finally, he is 2nd all-time in total TDs for career at the University of Tennessee to NFL legend Peyton Manning.

So if you're gonna call those LEGENDARY college careers, then so was Dobbs career at Tennessee.

Personally when I think of a legendary college career I think of Reggie Bush, Vince Young, Tim Tebow, and Cam Newton. I'm talking guys that win Heismans and/or national titles. I don't think someone is a legend in college football if they have a productive career with a conference honor here or there like JJ Watt or Josh Dobbs.

College legends are the guys who for 2-3 years are the face of college football like Tim Tebow and Reggie Bush. Guys like that rarely have great NFL careers. Cam Newton being the rare outlier.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I actually really like the Steelers as a landing spot for Dobbs (though I dislike the team itself). Sitting behind Big Ben for a few seasons before taking over or getting a chance in free agency to go try to take over as a starter would be good for his development.

I thinks Dobbs can have success in the NFL, but I do think that he's gonna need some time to work on things in his game and adjust. I hope he isn't thrown to the fire too early.

Disagree completely. Dobbs is a bright kid, he won't need as long as most other players to adjust to the mental aspect of the pro game. And when it comes to skills he doesn't need his mechanics or throwing notion changed. He's set on that. Really all he needs is good coaching (for a change) and game reps.

He won't get better sitting on the sidelines like most other QBs that are slow learners.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Rodgers was a first rounder. Which means the team put lots of stock in him.

Nobody has Dobbs as a first rounder.

Wasn't TeBow a first rounder? He gotta lot chances.

That's not really relevant to the discussion though.

We were just saying a situation like that where he could sit behind an established guy for a few seasons (like Aaron Rodgers did) would be ideal.

Where he gets drafted doesn't have much to do with that.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

NFL doesn't develop! If that's the case we would continue to know who the QBs are each year for teams and teams wouldn't need them

It was clear as day that Rodgers was going to be next in line.

Dobbs best chances are Steelers or Detroit IMO
And he better hope Big Ben or Stafford gets hurt

Some guys do and some guys don't develop. Saying none do is ignorant. There are plenty of guys who have developed from not being ready as a rookie to being ready as a 3-4 year veteran.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Disagree completely. Dobbs is a bright kid, he won't need as long as most other players to adjust to the mental aspect of the pro game. And when it comes to skills he doesn't need his mechanics or throwing notion changed. He's set on that. Really all he needs is good coaching (for a change) and game reps.

He won't get better sitting on the sidelines like most other QBs that are slow learners.

Being a slow or fast learner and being intelligent doesn't have a lot to do with being able to adjust to the speed of the game. Windows are a lot smaller in the NFL.

Also, if you think Dobbs has nothing to work on with his mechanics and they're all perfect, you're even more clueless than I thought. Most of his problems with inconsistency have been due to inconsistent mechanics.

And if he goes to a team that really needs a QB to start right away and doesn't have a solid line to protect him, it's less likely he gets those things corrected.

A couple years to work adapt and work on those things would be good for him.