Josh Dobbs - NFL Draft thread (merged)

[Burger]

Go watch the first two drives of that game and see what happened when we tried to drop back to pass.

Dobbs didn't even have a chance to get to his second read before being blindsided by the Florida defensive lineman.

We were getting slaughtered up front. That is why we had to go pure read option the rest of the game and it's why we kept going empty backfield 5 WRs and then running QB draws with Dobbs.

Our o-line gave us no opportunity to pass the ball that game.

When Dobbs was forced to pass, he usually failed. He also had a goober as head coach.

 

[IknoxvolsI]

Dobbs is no Tee Martin.
To use as a comparison.

Even at that time versus today's NFL football he still isn't any where as good and Tee went in what, fourth round?

If lucky Dobba may, just may, go as early as the 6th round bit I don't even see him drafted!

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Where are these guys?

Ok so not all of the guys I'm about to list became superstars, but most NFL QBs don't anyway. There's a long history of guys who have sat a season or two before taking over or have bounced around a bit before becoming a starter.

You can say NFL QBs don't develop, but there's a lot of data saying otherwise. I do agree with the idea that some guys have it in them to become a starter and some just don't, but there are plenty of guys who weren't ready as rookies or were served well to sit and adjust for a 1,2, or 3 seasons. Also guys who started off rough before eventually becoming decent/average starters (like Alex Smith, who was a disaster early on in his career).

Here's a list i threw together in about 15 minutes:




Guys who sat before being ready to be NFL starters:

Aaron's Rodgers (needed those years sitting to work on mechanics)
Matt Hasselbeck
Tyrod Taylor
Tom Brady (though it wasn't just one season)
Phillip Rivers (behind Brees two easons)
Tony Romo
Steve McNair
Steve Young
Colin Kaepernick (though he only has had middling success...he wasn't ready as a rookie and eventually became a starter in a super bowl)
Trent Dilfer
Elvis Grback
Rich Gannon (super bowl MVP)
Carson Palmer

QBs who bounced around or took multiple seasons to become NFL starter quality (not a backup who happened to start games):

Kirk Cousins
Alex Smith
Kurt Warner (he was a practice squad guy who played in Europe before becoming an NFL starter)
Ryan Fitzpatrick (though he's more of a journeyman than a starter)
David Garrard (middling career, but got better after a few seasons)

 

[82_VOL_83]

At least I got the OK game right.

 

[GAVol]

Dobbs is no Tee Martin.
To use as a comparison.

Even at that time versus today's NFL football he still isn't any where as good and Tee went in what, fourth round?

If lucky Dobba may, just may, go as early as the 6th round bit I don't even see him drafted!

I disagree with just about every word of that. Tee Martin accomplished a lot, but let's not pretend he was an all time great. He has a big arm and threw a good deep ball, but I don't think he was near the playmaker that Dobbs is.

 

[KBVol]

Dobbs is no Tee Martin.
To use as a comparison.

Even at that time versus today's NFL football he still isn't any where as good and Tee went in what, fourth round?

If lucky Dobba may, just may, go as early as the 6th round bit I don't even see him drafted!

Dobbs was a far better college qb than Tee was. Not even close. Better passer, better runner, better athlete, better quarterback. Not even close.

And even though I don't think Dobbs will have great success in the NFL, he'll be a far better qb than Tee was there as well...of course, it'll take next to nothing to be that as well

 

[GAVol]

I'd say Dobbs was a lot closer to Heath Shuler than Tee Martin.

 

[Caleb59seal]

Dobbs is no Tee Martin.
To use as a comparison.

Even at that time versus today's NFL football he still isn't any where as good and Tee went in what, fourth round?

If lucky Dobba may, just may, go as early as the 6th round bit I don't even see him drafted!

Just no....

 

[Denton'sGhostGBO]

Sorry, but you, like so many others, have been proven wrong. Peterman has exceptional accuracy and ball placement skills. He beat Clemson and was the best QB at the Senior Bowl. He also stood out at the combine.

Dobbs is a great character guy who is like a deer in the open field. Unfortunately, his accuracy was always very spotty at best. Dobbs was QB because we had no O-line protection and Dobbs could make a blitzing defense pay by his running ability. The rest is mythology.

Sorry bud, if Peterman can't handle the SEC defense of the Gators he has no chance in the NFL. Peterman is like a poor man's Tony Romo. Always injured, and can't come through in a clutch time.

 

[EricFreakingBerry]

Dobbs is no Tee Martin.
To use as a comparison.

Even at that time versus today's NFL football he still isn't any where as good and Tee went in what, fourth round?

If lucky Dobba may, just may, go as early as the 6th round bit I don't even see him drafted!

Tee played on arguably the best UT team ever fielded. I think Dobbs has a better chance of having a longer pro career than what Tee produced.

 

[jakez4ut]

I'd say Dobbs was a lot closer to Heath Shuler than Tee Martin.

Heath Shuler with josh Dobbs brain...scary how good that combo could've been

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The buzz on Dobbs continues to grow by the day. Just check out this article from Bleacher Report.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2701908-2017-nfl-draft-25-predictions-with-under-a-month-to-go?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

Tennessee's Joshua Dobbs Is This Year's Sleeper Quarterback

No quarterback prospect benefited more from the predraft process than Tennessee's Joshua Dobbs.

When evaluating the position, a quarterback's in-season performance only tells part of the story. The position is special because so much of it is played above the shoulders.

Can the young man handle the pressure of being an NFL quarterback? What type of relationship is expected to develop between the player and the coaching staff? What type of work ethic does he bring? How does he grasp concepts?

The last question is particularly important. Dobbs continues to wow teams once he's allowed to discuss pro-style concepts despite playing in a spread collegiate system.

"My senior year I was taking astronautics, propulsion and an aerodynamics class...all on the same day," he told The MMQB's Emily Kaplan. "At the same time as football season when I was leading an SEC team. I think I can handle it."

This isn't to say Dobbs lacks the physical tools or level of play necessary to be a legit quarterback prospect. He's 6'3" and 216 pounds with top-five performances among quarterbacks at the NFL combine in the 40-yard dash (4.64 seconds), vertical jump (33 inches), broad jump (10'2") and three-cone drill (6.75 seconds). He also scored 87 career touchdowns and helped lead Tennessee from a 5-7 record to 9-4 seasons and bowl games.

"Dobbs definitely has the tools to be a solid player in the league," an AFC college scouting director told NFL.com's Bucky Brooks. "He's smart, tough and athletic. Plus, he showed at the Senior Bowl that he could adapt to a pro-style offense."

No one should be surprised when the Tennessee product is drafted higher than expected—which was the middle to late rounds.

I'm guessing this means we should expect to hear Dobbs name called in the 2nd round.

 

[Caleb59seal]

The buzz on Dobbs continues to grow by the day. Just check out this article from Bleacher Report.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2701908-2017-nfl-draft-25-predictions-with-under-a-month-to-go?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

Tennessee's Joshua Dobbs Is This Year's Sleeper Quarterback



I'm guessing this means we should expect to hear Dobbs name called in the 2nd round.

Dude.... maybe you really do have a gift... those stupid GM's that are drafting in the second round really don't have a brain do they or wait... they do have a brain... or wait do they?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Dude.... maybe you really do have a gift... those stupid GM's that are drafting in the second round really don't have a brain do they or wait... they do have a brain... or wait do they?

They're dumb for not taking Dobbs in the first round.

Taking him in the second only makes them less dumb. It doesn't make them smart.

 

[Burger]

They're dumb for not taking Dobbs in the first round.

Taking him in the second only makes them less dumb. It doesn't make them smart.

When his passing is a big question mark?

 

[Caleb59seal]

They're dumb for not taking Dobbs in the first round.

Taking him in the second only makes them less dumb. It doesn't make them smart.

The question is are you ready to have a intelligent conversation about Dobbs or you just going to throw Sh&@ on the wall....
#SOTW

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

When his passing is a big question mark?

I have no questions about his passing ability. He's a good enough passer to be a productive starting NFL QB even if he couldn't run.

However once you add his elite athleticism, intelligence, and intangibles to the mix, that is what makes him a SPECIAL quarterback at the next level.

 

[Burger]

I have no questions about his passing ability. He's a good enough passer to be a productive starting NFL QB even if he couldn't run.

However once you add his elite athleticism, intelligence, and intangibles to the mix, that is what makes him a SPECIAL quarterback at the next level.

Delusional much?

 

[butchna]

Dumb teams draft a player rounds before other teams. It's a Jeff Lageman pick when you do so. Lageman was a UVA OLB that the Jets fell in love with and thusly drafted 14th overall in 1989. Other teams had him valued second round or lower. A true astute draft guru like Bill Belichick trades down and gets additional picks AND still lands Lageman (who actually ended up a highly decent player...but no franchise cornerstone) . The other guy (Joe Walton) ends up the D4H of GMs and is irrelevant and jobless. Being emotional and uninventive in drafting, sandbags a franchise.

 

[Dougie_D]

Ok so not all of the guys I'm about to list became superstars, but most NFL QBs don't anyway. There's a long history of guys who have sat a season or two before taking over or have bounced around a bit before becoming a starter.

You can say NFL QBs don't develop, but there's a lot of data saying otherwise. I do agree with the idea that some guys have it in them to become a starter and some just don't, but there are plenty of guys who weren't ready as rookies or were served well to sit and adjust for a 1,2, or 3 seasons. Also guys who started off rough before eventually becoming decent/average starters (like Alex Smith, who was a disaster early on in his career).

Here's a list i threw together in about 15 minutes:




Guys who sat before being ready to be NFL starters:

Aaron's Rodgers (needed those years sitting to work on mechanics)
Matt Hasselbeck
Tyrod Taylor
Tom Brady (though it wasn't just one season)
Phillip Rivers (behind Brees two easons)
Tony Romo
Steve McNair
Steve Young
Colin Kaepernick (though he only has had middling success...he wasn't ready as a rookie and eventually became a starter in a super bowl)
Trent Dilfer
Elvis Grback
Rich Gannon (super bowl MVP)
Carson Palmer

QBs who bounced around or took multiple seasons to become NFL starter quality (not a backup who happened to start games):

Kirk Cousins
Alex Smith
Kurt Warner (he was a practice squad guy who played in Europe before becoming an NFL starter)
Ryan Fitzpatrick (though he's more of a journeyman than a starter)
David Garrard (middling career, but got better after a few seasons)

That data is misleading. Of course when you are a QB and you haven't been cut from a team, you still have chances and opportunities to "sell yourself".

The later years, I think the NFL had more patience with QB's because it was more of a Running based NFL. Then when NFL became more pass happy, the level of patience with QB's became thin. Right now you are seeing the most impatient time for QB's.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

That data is misleading. Of course when you are a QB and you haven't been cut from a team, you still have chances and opportunities to "sell yourself".

The later years, I think the NFL had more patience with QB's because it was more of a Running based NFL. Then when NFL became more pass happy, the level of patience with QB's became thin. Right now you are seeing the most impatient time for QB's.

It's not misleading. You claimed that NFL QBs don't develop and asked where are the guys who sat for a few seasons or who progressed after years of experience.

I gave you a list of QBs from the past 27 years who fit that criteria. Some admittedly from a time when the NFL was less pass friendly, some who are current NFL starters, some who lead their team to or won Super Bowls over that time period.

I agree that recently teams have been less patient with QBs drafted early, but it doesn't change the fact that there are still a lot of examples of guys (many of whom are current NFL starters) who went from being unready early on in their careers to being starting QBs.


Broadly claiming NFL QBs don't develop from early on in their careers is just ignorant.

 

[Burger]

Dumb teams draft a player rounds before other teams. It's a Jeff Lageman pick when you do so. Lageman was a UVA OLB that the Jets fell in love with and thusly drafted 14th overall in 1989. Other teams had him valued second round or lower. A true astute draft guru like Bill Belichick trades down and gets additional picks AND still lands Lageman (who actually ended up a highly decent player...but no franchise cornerstone) . The other guy (Joe Walton) ends up the D4H of GMs and is irrelevant and jobless. Being emotional and uninventive in drafting, sandbags a franchise.

Exactly, a good GM knows value and will get the player at that value. Look at Seattle, GB, or KC also. Belichek isn't a very good example.

I don't get the love for Patrick Mahomes.

 

[Caleb59seal]

That data is misleading. Of course when you are a QB and you haven't been cut from a team, you still have chances and opportunities to "sell yourself".

The later years, I think the NFL had more patience with QB's because it was more of a Running based NFL. Then when NFL became more pass happy, the level of patience with QB's became thin. Right now you are seeing the most impatient time for QB's.

The same reason NFL teams are more impatient with QB's now... is the same reason people on here are claiming for the head coaches job... microwave mentality... not a lot of people know how to "enjoy the process"

 

[Dougie_D]

It's not misleading. You claimed that NFL QBs don't develop and asked where are the guys who sat for a few seasons or who progressed after years of experience.

I gave you a list of QBs from the past 27 years who fit that criteria. Some admittedly from a time when the NFL was less pass friendly, some who are current NFL starters, some who lead their team to or won Super Bowls over that time period.

I agree that recently teams have been less patient with QBs drafted early, but it doesn't change the fact that there are still a lot of examples of guys (many of whom are current NFL starters) who went from being unready early on in their careers to being starting QBs.


Broadly claiming NFL QBs don't develop from early on in their careers is just ignorant.

I'm not saying QBs can't develop by being in league.. I'm strictly saying that TEAMS rarely if anymore develop and groom QBs to be their franchise QBs.

And after a time in league if they haven't had chance to be a starter they probably won't be.

Age and time is a factor. You think Rams are gonna keep and develop Goff? No.. if he doesn't get it by next year they will be looking for replacement.

And if NFL is so much about development, wtf happen to that Indy Painter guy?

Again.. players can develop on their own. But NFL teams ain't waiting around until they are superstar ready

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

More buzz on Dobbs rising draft stock. This time from notorious Dobbs hater Matt Miller (of Bleacher Report) who had Josh as an undrafted free agent before the senior bowl. I know KBVol remembers that since he gleefully paraded around that tweet as proof that Dobbs would not get drafted high this year in the draft.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...jamal-adams-rising-updated-2-round-mock-draft

Dobbs went through a throwing session, and a coach at the workout texted me that he "is one of my favorite [quarterbacks] in this class." Dobbs has a legitimate chance to be a top-100 pick. NFL scouts continue to rave about his football IQ, character and work ethic.