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tnvols72 said:
BUT they were not int's. That is all that matters
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Yeah...If a receiver lets the ball dink off the back of his hands and the ball lands in a defenders hand then it's just as much a INT as a QB making a lame duck pass right to a defender. A TD is a TD.
 
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Volview said:
Yeah...If a receiver lets the ball dink off the back of his hands and the ball lands in a defenders hand then it's just as much a INT as a QB making a lame duck pass right to a defender. A TD is a TD.
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Respectfully this is not correct in the context being used. On a scoreboard in a real game when it's the points that matter you would be correct...points is points. Preseason games are nothing but high level scrimmages and and the how's and why's and the evaluations of said are far more important than points. For instance...if a QB is hitting players right in the hands and receivers keep dropping the ball you think the coaches are going to be looking at the QB's stat line in evaluating his film or will it be the receivers taking the heat?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Why would a former UT QB getting a shout out on national TV get you mad?

You should be happy that Dobbs is getting love from the national media. Not only cause he's a great kid who played his heart out for Tennessee. But also because having a Tennessee QB succeed in the NFL would be great for recruiting.
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Getting love from national media, yes, you bragging about telling us he was going too, no. You STILL after 3 years fail to see the difference.
 
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VersaceButch said:
Yes, I can separate. That is why I have said previously that WHEN he gets cut because there is no room for him on the roster, he will be picked up by another team desperate for a backup and immediately become their 2nd string. One can suggest that he isn't NFL starter ready (as I have) and believe he has the potential to be a solid #2. The Titans are a great example. Look at how that team fared the moment Mariota went down. They were miserable. Dobbs could easily compete for a spot there as a backup if he were to be released from Pittsburgh. Lord knows Touchdown Jesus isn't getting it done for the Titans.
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Can you name a team right now that would trust Josh Dobbs to be their 2nd-string QB, over someone on their existing roster?
 
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Volview said:
Yeah...If a receiver lets the ball dink off the back of his hands and the ball lands in a defenders hand then it's just as much a INT as a QB making a lame duck pass right to a defender. A TD is a TD.
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Yes, points are points.

But I think you can be sure that the same plays were assessed very differently in the Steelers' QB film study than they were in WR meetings.
 
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One of the biggest drawbacks to Dobbs being a #2 QB is how critical scrambling and running is to his game. If the the starter goes down in a game and and the backup comes in to replace him, the last thing any team wants is the #2 QB putting himself at risk by leaving the pocket and possibly getting hurt also.
 
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dobre_shunka said:
One of the biggest drawbacks to Dobbs being a #2 QB is how critical scrambling and running is to his game. If the the starter goes down in a game and and the backup comes in to replace him, the last thing any team wants is the #2 QB putting himself at risk by leaving the pocket and possibly getting hurt also.
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What you just posted is silly.

Josh Dobbs never even missed a snap in his Tennessee career because of an injury. In fact, he's not only shown remarkable durability but he also rarely took any big hits. I can't think of any hits he took at Tennessee (outside of that one against App State in OT) where it even looked like he was even hit hard enough to possibly miss a snap in a game.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
What you just posted is silly.

Josh Dobbs never even missed a snap in his Tennessee career because of an injury. In fact, he's not only shown remarkable durability but he also rarely took any big hits. I can't think of any hits he took at Tennessee (outside of that one against App State in OT) where it even looked like he was even hit hard enough to possibly miss a snap in a game.
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And what you posted is even sillier, because we're now talking NFL defenses. Every starting NFL defense he would face will be bigger, faster, stronger, and better than any defense he ever saw in college.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
What you just posted is silly.

Josh Dobbs never even missed a snap in his Tennessee career because of an injury. In fact, he's not only shown remarkable durability but he also rarely took any big hits. I can't think of any hits he took at Tennessee (outside of that one against App State in OT) where it even looked like he was even hit hard enough to possibly miss a snap in a game.
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So at 6'3" and 197 lbs, Dobbs is an Iron Man and incapable of being hurt by an NFL hit? If that's true then with Roethlisberger at 6'5" and 240 lbs, why even have back up QBs on the roster?

Is there no difference in the strength and speed between defensive college players and NFL players?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
What you just posted is silly.

Josh Dobbs never even missed a snap in his Tennessee career because of an injury. In fact, he's not only shown remarkable durability but he also rarely took any big hits. I can't think of any hits he took at Tennessee (outside of that one against App State in OT) where it even looked like he was even hit hard enough to possibly miss a snap in a game.
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Dobbs' legs, which saved himself and Butch on numerous occasions, are actually part of the problem. Dobbs has always been able to rely on his legs to get him out of trouble, instead of standing in the pocket and finding a throw, or rolling out and going through his progressions, he just took off. An NFL defense is much more talented, and complicated, than any college defense, and that's why QBs like Vince Young, Manziel, Dobbs, and Tebow struggle.

Look at Deshaun Watson's numbers in the NFL verses his college stats. He averaged 11 rushing attempts per game in college, and in 7 games with Houston he averaged 5 rushing attempts per game, with a high of 8. Being a scrambler, and being able to run out of busted plays in college, just is not on par with being a great pocket passer in the NFL.
 
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Pitt will keep Mason R regardless how bad he looks (you dont cut 3rd rounders in their first year). They will keep Jones in case Ben gets hurt early and hopefully he can win a couple games and keep them in contention until BR returns. They are playing JD early so much to give him a chance to look good so they may be able to get something for him in a trade. If not, JD is going to have options if PItt releases him.
 
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dobre_shunka said:
So at 6'3" and 197 lbs, Dobbs is an Iron Man and incapable of being hurt by an NFL hit? If that's true then with Roethlisberger at 6'5" and 240 lbs, why even have back up QBs on the roster?

Is there no difference in the strength and speed between defensive college players and NFL players?
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First of all, Josh Dobbs is not 197 lbs anymore. You do know that he's been weighed since his freshmen year at Tennessee? He weighed in at 216 lbs at the combine last spring. And his height was 6'3 3/8" to be exact. So just a hair below 6'3.5" and roughly 220 lbs. That's pretty good size and weight for an NFL QB.

Now that I've corrected your faulty data, I'll move to your larger point. Size does not correlate perfectly with durability. Sure being bigger helps, but some big guys get hurt all the time (see Big Ben). While some small QBs (i.e. Drew Brees and Russell Wilson) have shown remarkable durability. Being durable is just something some guys have and others don't. Its why I've been saying Deshaun Watson will not be long for the NFL. Nothing against him personally but he just seems like one of those guys who is destined to always get hurt. Josh Dobbs is the opposite. He seems to be one of those guys that is destined to stay healthy like Russell Wilson despite running the ball a lot.

Josh Dobbs will be an Iron Man because its his destiny to dominate the NFL for a very long time.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Dobbs' legs, which saved himself and Butch on numerous occasions, are actually part of the problem. Dobbs has always been able to rely on his legs to get him out of trouble, instead of standing in the pocket and finding a throw, or rolling out and going through his progressions, he just took off. An NFL defense is much more talented, and complicated, than any college defense, and that's why QBs like Vince Young, Manziel, Dobbs, and Tebow struggle.

Look at Deshaun Watson's numbers in the NFL verses his college stats. He averaged 11 rushing attempts per game in college, and in 7 games with Houston he averaged 5 rushing attempts per game, with a high of 8. Being a scrambler, and being able to run out of busted plays in college, just is not on par with being a great pocket passer in the NFL.
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Josh Dobbs will make it work in the NFL where those guys couldn't. How come? Because he's more talented.

There's a reason I always compare Dobbs to Randall Cunningham. That's who he is most like ATHLETICALLY. Just as Randall dominated the NFL scrambling, so will Dobbs. The difference is Dobbs is a far better passer. His passing is most like Warren Moon. So combine Warren Moon's passing with Randall Cunningham's running and you get Josh Dobbs.

This is why I'm so confident in him.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Josh Dobbs will make it work in the NFL where those guys couldn't. How come? Because he's more talented.

There's a reason I always compare Dobbs to Randall Cunningham. That's who he is most like ATHLETICALLY. Just as Randall dominated the NFL scrambling, so will Dobbs. The difference is Dobbs is a far better passer. His passing is most like Warren Moon. So combine Warren Moon's passing with Randall Cunningham's running and you get Josh Dobbs.

This is why I'm so confident in him.
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There is zero empirical evidence to support your fantastical statements.
 
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Bengals fan here. I would love to see the Bengals claim Dobbs and release Barkley or Driskel.

Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The difference is Dobbs is a far better passer. His passing is most like Warren Moon. So combine Warren Moon's passing
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I normally just sit back and enjoy the show on these type of threads but the pot is simmering.

I'm skeptical of suggesting Randall Cunningham's scrambling equivalency in the NFL but he is exceptionally elusive and durable so maybe... I'll not argue or question.

Good sir, would you please break down the comparison between Dobbs/Moon's passing however?

Pocket presence,throwing motion, release, foot work, accuracy? I just don't see it.

I assure you I'm not a Dobbs hater. If I had to pick a single QB I'd want to lead the 2018 Vols it would be Dobbs. I admit if we had a proven offensive line I'd pick someone else...but please don't think I'm bashing Dobbs. As the years go by.., Dobbs will probably be my fondest memory of the 2014-2016 era. Accentuated by my hatred for Visor Boy; the Dobbs engineered S.C. comeback ranks second behind the Miracle in South Bend on my favorite Vol comebacks list.

Did you really just compare him as a passer to Warren Moon though?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
What you just posted is silly.

Josh Dobbs never even missed a snap in his Tennessee career because of an injury. In fact, he's not only shown remarkable durability but he also rarely took any big hits. I can't think of any hits he took at Tennessee (outside of that one against App State in OT) where it even looked like he was even hit hard enough to possibly miss a snap in a game.
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He got absolutely smoked in his first game VS Bama. Fumbled and Bama recovered. To his credit he did come back and play really well the rest of the way.
 
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BeardedVol said:
There is zero empirical evidence to support your fantastical statements.
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Because he's a troll. You can't take anyone seriously who claims you're using faulty logic and data and then says a player will be the best ever because it's his destiny and that he's foreseen it.
 
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D4H sitting at his computer waiting on y'all's replies probably..
 

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VersaceButch said:
I know this is a D4H post but I didn't want to just start another thread.

As a Steeler fan and someone who follows this team very closely, Dobbs is in a very unfortunate position right now and is getting the raw end of the deal. Pittsburgh before the start of last season signed Landry Jones to a 2-year contract worth I believe $4 million. And now they have drafted another QB which came as a complete surprise because Pittsburgh almost never drafts QBs so drafting one in back to back drafts came as a shock. I think that through these first two preseason games its clear to anyone with a pair of eyes that Dobbs has out-performed Rudolph. However, Rudolph will maintain the roster spot because I don't think Pittsburgh wants to admit they made a mistake by trading up for a second QB in two-years.

It's quite unfortunate because as a UT-alum and huge Steelers fan I jumped out of my chair during draft day last year when we drafted Dobbs. I was ready to buy a Dobbs jersey the moment they went on sale but I held off and am glad I did. I'm still holding out hope that they decide the contract they gave Landry isn't worth the money when he isn't a very large upgrade (if even an upgrade at all) on Dobbs. I would much rather them cut/trade Landry, unload his contract, and stick with the two young guns that have a lot of unknown potential. Steeler fans know what they get with Landry Jones which is a mediocre QB who will keep you in games against sub-par teams. He doesn't have many fans.
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Fundamental business decision, what’s in the past is in the past. You don’t throw good money to save bad money previously spent. The Steelers will keep the best QBs.
 
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