Josh Dobbs (merged)

[VolsSportsFan]

GM Kevin Colbert makes the personell decisions on the Steelers not Mike Tomlin.

Mike Tomlin decides who plays. You're saying he's as dumb as Butch Jones was in 2014. Keep trying troll.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

You guys remember D4H during the 2017 NFL Draft. Where he went through about 5 teams that were the "perfect" spot for Dobbs before the Steelers took him and then that was the "perfect" spot?

Let's start a pool on what team will be the best spot for Dobbs next and that D4H will say will win the Super Bowl this year.

 

[TDawg]

You guys remember D4H during the 2017 NFL Draft. Where he went through about 5 teams that were the "perfect" spot for Dobbs before the Steelers took him and then that was the "perfect" spot?

Let's start a pool on what team will be the best spot for Dobbs next and that D4H will say will win the Super Bowl this year.

This may be the most glorious idea I have heard all day .. I'm in and I am in early on the Miami Dolphins

 

[TDawg]

GM Kevin Colbert makes the personell decisions on the Steelers not Mike Tomlin.

Soooo, it's your stance that Colbert would decide who to cut and not Tomlin? Know this, if that happens to ANY head coach in the league, that coach is already tendering resignation or close to it. GMs bring in personnel and work the cap but who stays on the 53 man, unless it's a cap issue, comes from the head coach.

 

[volfanbill]

Soooo, it's your stance that Colbert would decide who to cut and not Tomlin? Know this, if that happens to ANY head coach in the league, that coach is already tendering resignation or close to it. GMs bring in personnel and work the cap but who stays on the 53 man, unless it's a cap issue, comes from the head coach.

This isn’t true. And FU for making me defend D4H

 

[bamawriter]

Your mistake (as well as most fans and media) is you keep assuming Dobbs is only competing with Landry Jones for a roster spot.

He is, in fact, competing with Jones, and only with Jones, for a roster spot.

In reality Dobbs is also competiting with the 9th offensive line,

Dobbs seems a little small to effectively play on the offensive line,

8th defensive back

I could see that. Dobbs has some athleticism. But I haven't heard of him practicing with the DBs, so it seems like a long shot.

7th defensive lineman

He's definitely a bit small to be playing D-line in a 3-4.

The Steelers are not just gonna release a 23 year old QB that they spent a 4th round pick on a year earlier,

I agree. They'll probably try to get him onto the practice squad.

You do know this is Landry Jones final year under contract? You think the Steelers are gonna resign him next year at a much higher cap hit than Dobbs will offer in Year 3 on a rookie deal?

No. I think this is likely Jones final year in Pittsburgh. Mason Rudolph will take over the back-up role next year, and either Dobbs will be promoted from the practice squad (if he clears waivers and goes unsigned this year) or the Steelers will pick up a cheap 3rd option next year.

Mike Tomlin has already alluded to potentially keeping 4 QBs. He's said he believes they have 4 NFL QBs on the roster.

Tomlin thinks he has 4 QBs on his current roster of 90 guys. He will not have 4 QBs when the roster is trimmed to 53.

Like I said earlier, if I had to guess, I think the Steelers will keep 4 QBs this year with the idea of letting Landry Jones go next year and letting Dobbs and Rudolph competing for the backup job in 2019.

And like I said earlier, I'm happy to bump our avatar bet on that happening.

They're simply gonna go 1 less at some other position and keep 4 QBs.

Dobbs needs an injury to one of the other 3 in order to make the active roster. And he needs that injury to be season-ending if he hopes to stay on the roster for the entire season.

 

[bamawriter]

You guys remember D4H during the 2017 NFL Draft. Where he went through about 5 teams that were the "perfect" spot for Dobbs before the Steelers took him and then that was the "perfect" spot?

Let's start a pool on what team will be the best spot for Dobbs next and that D4H will say will win the Super Bowl this year.

This may be the most glorious idea I have heard all day .. I'm in and I am in early on the Miami Dolphins

I'll take the Seahawks.

 

[hndog609]

Dobbs completion percentage in the preseason is nearly 68%. Mason Rudolph is at just 50%. Even if you wanna give him the excuse that he's a rookie, Dobbs had a higher completion percentage LAST YEAR than Rudolph currently has.

How can you say that statement when it is directly contradicted by the preseason games we've seen thus far?

It's the mistakes man. To date (including last year) Josh is averaging a pick every 19 attempts. He finished last year tied for #2 in picks and is currently tied for #3 this year. That doesn't include James Washington's heroics turning very possible picks into TD's for him. This after finishing camp with easily the worst TD/Int ratio of any of the QB's.

Look, regardless of anything anybody believes Josh may be capable of he absolutely must demonstrate the ability to make better decisions or the rest isn't going to matter.

 

[hndog609]

I'll take the Seahawks.

I thought of that one too so...Bengals? (plus I think it'd be fun if he was on a team in the same division as the Steelers)

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Dobbs needs an injury to one of the other 3 in order to make the active roster. And he needs that injury to be season-ending if he hopes to stay on the roster for the entire season.

I'm glad you said this cause I don't want to hear you make the excuse that Dobbs only made the roster because of his performance in Week 4 of the preseason when he bodies the Carolina Panthers (once again).

You are now arguing that only an injury will get him on the roster and not his play. Good.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

It's the mistakes man. To date (including last year) Josh is averaging a pick every 19 attempts. He finished last year tied for #2 in picks and is currently tied for #3 this year. That doesn't include James Washington's heroics turning very possible picks into TD's for him. This after finishing camp with easily the worst TD/Int ratio of any of the QB's.

Look, regardless of anything anybody believes Josh may be capable of he absolutely must demonstrate the ability to make better decisions or the rest isn't going to matter.

Dobbs has also led 5 TD drives in just 3 Qtrs of action. More than all the other Steelers QBs combined thus far in the preseason. So while he does throw INTs, he also scores more TDs.

Dobbs is a big play guy. He's not a game manager. He wins you games. He's not there to preserve victories by not making mistakes. His style of play will always include high turnovers like Brett Favre. But he'll more than make up for it given how many TDs he scores.

Also you can't undervalue the importance of Dobbs legs. He's extended many a drive this preseason scrambling on 3rd down and gaining a first down. And those drives have typically led to TDs. His legs are another weapon that make up for less than ideal decision-making throwing the football.

 

[bamawriter]

You are now arguing that only an injury will get him on the roster and not his play. Good.

Now? I've literally been saying this for a couple of weeks. Why are you suddenly acting like you've caught me in some sort of "gotcha" moment?

 

[hndog609]

Dobbs has also led 5 TD drives in just 3 Qtrs of action. More than all the other Steelers QBs combined thus far in the preseason. So while he does throw INTs, he also scores more TDs.

Nice job side-stepping Washington bailing Josh out on two of those drives if not outright preventing int's.

Dobbs is a big play guy. He's not a game manager. He wins you games. He's not there to preserve victories by not making mistakes. His style of play will always include high turnovers like Brett Favre. But he'll more than make up for it given how many TDs he scores.

Also you can't undervalue the importance of Dobbs legs. He's extended many a drive this preseason scrambling on 3rd down and gaining a first down. And those drives have typically led to TDs.

You are not going to make much of a living in the NFL tossing one to the other team every 19 attempts. There's no sugar coating this one dude...Josh must do better. This isn't me saying he can't but it's me damn sure saying it needs to happen.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You are not going to make much of a living in the NFL tossing one to the other team every 19 attempts. There's no sugar coating this one dude...Josh must do better. This isn't me saying he can't but it's me damn sure saying it needs to happen.

So is this gonna be your play from now on? Every great play a receiver makes for Dobbs will still count as a mistake by Dobbs to you? Who are you? Jalen Ramsey? Big Ben does the exact same stuff every Sunday. He throws up 50/50 balls to Antonio Brown and JuJu Smith-Schuster and as great receivers they make great plays on the ball. How many times did Randy Moss "bail" out his QBs on 50/50 balls jumping over the DB and making the catch? That's called football. Every throw a QB makes is not gonna be perfect. To a degree most of the best QBs throw 50/50 balls like those to the receivers so they can make a play.

With that said, I will admit that Dobbs first TD pass to James Washington was slightly under thrown. James Washington made a great play on the ball and did save what was a probable INT. However, many a QB have done the same exact play when throwing a fade pass in the redzone and nobody is going through the record books taking back the TD from them because their receiver made a great play. That's simply part of the game. Sometimes it'll be Dobbs making a perfect pass and the receiver will drop a sure TD. While other times it'll be the receiver bailing out the QB on an underthrown ball. At the end of the day it evens itself out for most players.

However, with regard to the second TD pass to Washington, that was perfect throw by Dobbs. The play was designed to be a back shoulder throw and Dobbs hit Washington right on the money. Washington grabbed the ball first and went into the endzone for the TD, then the DB tried to rip it out. That was not a bad throw at all but instead was perfect given the coverage. Go back and watch that play and tell me where else Dobbs was supposed to throw the ball? The DB was all over Washington. If Dobbs tried to lead him it would've been a pick. He made the only throw available in that situation which was the back shoulder fade. And it was executed perfectly. You can't try and take that play away from Dobbs. He made the perfect throw in that situation.

 

[hndog609]

So is this gonna be your play from now on? Every great play a receiver makes for Dobbs will still count as a mistake by Dobbs to you? Who are you? Jalen Ramsey? Big Ben does the exact same stuff every Sunday. He throws up 50/50 balls to Antonio Brown and JuJu Smith-Schuster and as great receivers they make great plays on the ball. How many times did Randy Moss "bail" out his QBs on 50/50 balls jumping over the DB and making the catch? That's called football. Every throw a QB makes is not gonna be perfect. To a degree most of the best QBs throw 50/50 balls like those to the receivers so they can make a play.

With that said, I will admit that Dobbs first TD pass to James Washington was slightly under thrown. James Washington made a great play on the ball and did save what was a probable INT. However, many a QB have done the same exact play when throwing a fade pass in the redzone and nobody is going through the record books taking back the TD from them because their receiver made a great play. That's simply part of the game. Sometimes it'll be Dobbs making a perfect pass and the receiver will drop a sure TD. While other times it'll be the receiver bailing out the QB on an underthrown ball. At the end of the day it evens itself out for most players.

However, with regard to the second TD pass to Washington, that was perfect throw by Dobbs. The play was designed to be a back shoulder throw and Dobbs hit Washington right on the money. Washington grabbed the ball first and went into the endzone for the TD, then the DB tried to rip it out. That was not a bad throw at all but instead was perfect given the coverage. Go back and watch that play and tell me where else Dobbs was supposed to throw the ball? The DB was all over Washington. If Dobbs tried to lead him it would've been a pick. He made the only throw available in that situation which was the back shoulder fade. And it was executed perfectly. You can't try and take that play away from Dobbs. He made the perfect throw in that situation.

It's ok shnookums...nobdy that's seen you watch football and claim things like Bosa has been "lucky" is going to expect you to let down your bias for your definition of the GOAT. I put up the pics of the receptions back on post 1240...we all know exactly what happened.

The takeaway (see what I did there?) is the same and isn't open to your personal interpretation. Josh is throwing picks at an alarming rate and he absolutely, positively needs to get a handle on that aspect of his game. To put a face on it Josh is throwing a pick on 5% of his attempts. Last season Deshone Kizer, by a large margin in fact, led the league in INT's and was only a hair over 4 1/2%. This mind you comparing someone playing preseason vs regular season defenses.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

It's ok shnookums...nobdy that's seen you watch football and claim things like Bosa has been "lucky" is going to expect you to let down your bias for your definition of the GOAT. I put up the pics of the receptions back on post 1240...we all know exactly what happened.

The takeaway (see what I did there?) is the same and isn't open to your personal interpretation. Josh is throwing picks at an alarming rate and he absolutely, positively needs to get a handle on that aspect of his game. To put a face on it Josh is throwing a pick on 5% of his attempts. Last season Deshone Kizer, by a large margin in fact, led the league in INT's and was only a hair over 4 1/2%. This mind you comparing someone playing preseason vs regular season defenses.

Small sample size.

You should know better than to try to extrapolate stats from a few preseason games into an entire 16 game regular season. What you did here is as silly as me suggesting Dobbs will throw for 64 TDs in the regular season because he's thrown 3 TDs thus far in 3 qtrs of preseason action. You see you can't just try to extrapolate the bad stats while ignoring the good stats when dealing with such a small sample size.

A better way to prove that Dobbs is prone to throwing INTs is to look at Dobbs college stats since they were over a full season. As a senior he threw 27 TDs against 12 INTs. Those are roughly the sort of stats I expect him to put in the NFL when it comes to TD to INT ratio. 2 to 1 is not a great TD to INT ratio but its not bad either. Moving forward I expect Dobbs to be a 2 to 1 TD/INT ratio guy which is perfectly okay given what he brings running the ball.

 

[hndog609]

Stop embarrassing yourself. I'm using the exact same sample size you are in what Josh has done in the NFL, which is to say everything he's done in the NFL.

Oh goody, did you just open the door to citing what people did in college to make one's point?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Stop embarrassing yourself. I'm using the exact same sample size you are in what Josh has done in the NFL, which is to say everything he's done in the NFL.

Now can you please calculate his TD rate per pass and how it compares to Aaron Rodgers? Cause I did a little math in that previous post and came to the conclusion that Dobbs could throw 64 TD passes in the regular season given his current pace of 3 TD passes in 3 quarters of pre-season action thus far.

Using your logic Dobbs is on pace to break Peyton's record 55 passing TDs in a season as well.

 

[hndog609]

Now can you please calculate his TD rate per pass and how it compares to Aaron Rodgers? Cause I did a little math in that previous post and came to the conclusion that Dobbs could throw 64 TD passes in the regular season given his current pace of 3 TD passes in 3 quarters of pre-season action thus far.

Using your logic Dobbs is on pace to break Peyton's record 55 passing TDs in a season as well.

Dear God man...I'm not trying to put nearly as much effort into extrapolating anything as you are...you are feverishly trying to avoid accepting that at this point there is no possible calculation that doesn't point out Josh is putting the ball into the other teams hands on the reg compared to his peers. He's got a 1/1 TD/Int ratio and that's not good. That's it...that's all. I can't say for certain but I strongly think it's likely the primary factor that's held him back in the coaches mind at this point. If he keeps putting the ball in jeopardy it's going to continue holding him back. He gets it under control I'm betting things will go much better for him.

And before you tell me what you believe he's going to do I'll leave you with this again; you need things to stop happening in your head and start happening on the field.

 

[TDawg]

Now can you please calculate his TD rate per pass and how it compares to Aaron Rodgers? Cause I did a little math in that previous post and came to the conclusion that Dobbs could throw 64 TD passes in the regular season given his current pace of 3 TD passes in 3 quarters of pre-season action thus far.

Using your logic Dobbs is on pace to break Peyton's record 55 passing TDs in a season as well.

OMG, did they change the rules so that a team is forced to play the third string on defense for a particular QB??? If so, that math may work out for ya. But hey, if, using your math, you actually think he will be that revered playing against 2nd and 3rd teamers while still throwing nearly 43 INTs, have at it.

 

[TDawg]

It's ok shnookums...nobdy that's seen you watch football and claim things like Bosa has been "lucky" is going to expect you to let down your bias for your definition of the GOAT. I put up the pics of the receptions back on post 1240...we all know exactly what happened.

The takeaway (see what I did there?) is the same and isn't open to your personal interpretation. Josh is throwing picks at an alarming rate and he absolutely, positively needs to get a handle on that aspect of his game. To put a face on it Josh is throwing a pick on 5% of his attempts. Last season Deshone Kizer, by a large margin in fact, led the league in INT's and was only a hair over 4 1/2%. This mind you comparing someone playing preseason vs regular season defenses.

Would like to "like" this one some more for use of the word "shnookums" in this context

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I think the truth is this is a long con by D4H. In reality, D4H grew up with Dobbs and Dobbs beat him out for starting QB on their Pop Warner team and D4H never got over it. So his mission is to come here and be so obnoxiously over the top with praise for Dobbs in an attempt to get everyone to hate him and by proxy hate Dobbs.

 

[TDawg]

I think the truth is this is a long con by D4H. In reality, D4H grew up with Dobbs and Dobbs beat him out for starting QB on their Pop Warner team and D4H never got over it. So his mission is to come here and be so obnoxiously over the top with praise for Dobbs in an attempt to get everyone to hate him and by proxy hate Dobbs.

LOL .. plausible yes. But I can't hate a kid chasing their dream. But D4H won't see the reality that unless there is DRASTIC improvement, that dream has more of likelihood of happening at NASA than the NFL.

 

[BeardedVol]

Now can you please calculate his TD rate per pass and how it compares to Aaron Rodgers? Cause I did a little math in that previous post and came to the conclusion that Dobbs could throw 64 TD passes in the regular season given his current pace of 3 TD passes in 3 quarters of pre-season action thus far.

Using your logic Dobbs is on pace to break Peyton's record 55 passing TDs in a season as well.

So Aaron Rodgers playing against 1st team NFL defenses, is the same as Josh Dobbs playing against 3rd stringers/practice squad members/soon-to-be-cuts?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

LOL .. plausible yes. But I can't hate a kid chasing their dream. But D4H won't see the reality that unless there is DRASTIC improvement, that dream has more of likelihood of happening at NASA than the NFL.

So this is gonna be your excuse this year when Dobbs leads the Steelers to the Super Bowl? That he improved "drastically" in a few weeks?

Ya'll are hilarious. Stick to your guns. Stop creating outs. You don't see me wavering. I've said Josh Dobbs will be a SUPERSTAR in the NFL. I'm not saying things like "if he doesn't reach his full potential he might only be average."

You've said many times that you think Dobbs is not a starting caliber NFL QB. Stick with it. Stop trying to create excuses for yourself.