JG and Quarterback Transfers

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sjt18 said:
I think I get what you are trying to say... but it is still 100% mental. It is a connection between preparation, knowledge of the playbook, experience with the WR, and instinct. It is an ability to visualize what's about to happen rather than waiting til it happens to make a decision. JG for whatever reason does not usually anticipate and visualize then deliver to the right spot.

I want him to succeed. I do. But there are innate components to doing what we're talking about. People are "born with" part of it just like some are born to grow to 6'4" and with the ability to throw a football further and more accurate than most of us.

All talents have to be honed into skills. But... you have to have the talent first.
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Talent is not mental! He does not have the talent to read blitzes or chooses not to do so. He does not have the talent to check off to a 2nd receiver or chooses not to do so. He is not capable of getting rid of the ball quicker or likes the feel of it and chooses not to do so. In all those cases, the talent is simply not there or has not been honed. The camps and high school rating systems were wrong with this one.
 
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bag12day said:
No we ( most people if I understand correctly) think that the whole offense is bad. That includes JG, the coaching staff, OL RBs outta the backfield, and especially our receivers who should be on bi polar meds.
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Until we get a game changer at QB then we will struggle to score which leads to L's
 
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piratelifeforme said:
So when he does have time he suddenly does not stare down his target? He does not hold the ball too long? He reads the blitz perfectly and hit the hot receiver? He does not nuder throw deep balls and the receivers just get to keep running without stopping to make the catch? He checks out of a bad play and into the right one?

Having a OL that gives him time will not change any of his faults. He could have with practice and film but I would imaging the time he works on his game is not working on his faults but rather the things he does well. If he worked on his faults we would see improvement and we do not. In 2 years he has not gotten better and any of the things above.
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Meh, I was shooting more for I would like to see if the game could slow down for him a little with just a second more. He may grow out of the staring if he didn't have to make his mind up before the play who he was throwing it to no matter what (and I'm not talking a timing route here).
 
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Volumnus 2011 said:
Again, we had the worst rushing game in the SEC, yet, we were middle of the road passing. So the o-line sucks when we're rushing, but it's middle of the road pass blocking? No.

Most people you find on here don't say he has no weaknesses. His main weakness was his offensive line though.
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And again, his decision making is too slow. His ability to read D's is weaker than it should be in 3 years even considering the coaching changes.

Last year, QD took 3-4 sacks in 5 games. JG took 32 in 7. KC didn't make great decisions in his non-mop up PT... but he did make timely decisions without getting hammered all the time.

In the abstract you say he has weaknesses... in the concrete you reject any criticism and blame everything on someone else.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Meh, I was shooting more for I would like to see if the game could slow down for him a little with just a second more. He may grow out of the staring if he didn't have to make his mind up before the play who he was throwing it to no matter what (and I'm not talking a timing route here).
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I think if he understood how to do things quicker it would slow down but not the other way around. People on I-40 dont slow down when you are learning to drive, you adjust to their speed and get use to it and now 95mph is not that fast.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Meh, I was shooting more for I would like to see if the game could slow down for him a little with just a second more. He may grow out of the staring if he didn't have to make his mind up before the play who he was throwing it to no matter what (and I'm not talking a timing route here).
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Good QB's have a good idea pre-snap where they're going with the ball on most plays. None can afford to wait until after the snap then take 3 or 4 seconds to make a decision.

He needs to catch up to the speed of the game. I hope he can... but he hasn't in 3 years.
 
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TheDeeble said:
2 things killed UT's rush avg. Jeremy Banks and JG getting sacked. JG had 40 attempts for -94 yards. 22 of those are sacks. Banks avg 3.6 yards on 52 carries.

Our 3 lead rushing backs of Chandler, Jordan, and London combined for a 4.69 ypc avg. 1358(of the 1549 total) yards on 289 attempts. They aren't the liability you're hoping they are.
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If you add the -94 rushing JG lost, Tennessee is still last in rushing.
 
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What are the other parameters of that stat. That is only half of the story. what goes into finding out their rating? does it discount drops as not the qb's fault? the say figures never lie but lots of liars figure. So include more of that story and not just a screen shot of the pieces you want us to see.
 
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piratelifeforme said:
But they are not mental aspects of the game. Reading a defense is physical. Although it does not require physical talent to do so, it is not totally mental either. One has to learn what to look for and then common sense should take over to throw the ball where the defender just left since that space will be open. Some of this is on the receiver to get his azz to that spot.

Mentally he KNOWS he needs to read the blitzes and I would safely assume he has been taught HOW to do that, he just does not do it. He has been taught how to check off to a 2nd receiver, he simply does not do so, He knows to get rid of the quicker but he simply does not do them.

Young toddlers know they need to piss in the toilet but they simply do not have the physical ability to do so

So you are saying that EVERY passing play last year he was on his backside? Never did he get time to look off the safety and throw to the other side? He never had time before the snap to check out of a bad play? He NEVER had an opportunity to get rid of the quicker? He had opportunities to do ALL those things, he simply is not physically talented enough to do them.
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Dude, I hear what you are saying but you are losing the **** out of this argument. And the piss argument isn't even close.
 
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piratelifeforme said:
Talent is not mental!
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Yes. Mental things are talents.

He does not have the talent to read blitzes or chooses not to do so.
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That's still a mental talent/skill. He does not have the skill. We can't know for sure if he has the innate talent.

He does not have the talent to check off to a 2nd receiver or chooses not to do so. He is not capable of getting rid of the ball quicker or likes the feel of it and chooses not to do so. In all those cases, the talent is simply not there or has not been honed. The camps and high school rating systems were wrong with this one.
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He does not have well developed skill. His talent in these other things may simply be so weak that he develops slower... or it could be so weak that he never "gets it".

I hope he can. Seems like a decent kid. He's been loyal. He's taken the beatings. He seems to try hard. I hope he has the talent.
 
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So lets get this straight. based on the screen shot you just posted. JG had a clean pocket on 72% of his drop backs but you wanna bitch about the time he had?

That stat says he had a clean pocket on 178 attempts and he only threw 246 times last year. So on 72% of the throws he had a clean pocket. Give any other QB in the SEC a clean pocket on 72% of his drop backs and I promise you they throw for more than 1900 yards and 12 TD's
 
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Tell me a qb that wouldn't be "meh" with the offensive lines that we have had on the field the last 2 years and take the beating he had.
 
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piratelifeforme said:
What are the other parameters of that stat. That is only half of the story. what goes into finding out their rating? does it discount drops as not the qb's fault? the say figures never lie but lots of liars figure. So include more of that story and not just a screen shot of the pieces you want us to see.
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Dude, it's Probably Football Focus. It's a well respected grading company that's made up by thousands of professionals. You may disagree with them, but nobody would take you seriously if you did
 
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piratelifeforme said:
You must work for CNN, using stats to make your argument but manipulating the way those same stats are introduced in order to make your point seem valid. If I were to oly use YPA as a determination of good then Benny Snell is the best QB in the SEC as his YPA is 43.1 even though he only threw 1 pass last year. Drew Lock threw over 150 more passes than JG did, threw for more than 1200 more yards and more than twice the number of TD's. But you dont wanna mention that Locke threw 150 more passes.

JG is
8th in rating,
6th in YPA,
12th in completions,
14th in attempts,
11th in yards,
8th in completion %,
11th in TD's

Middle of the pack stats for a middle of the pack QB. If that is god enough for you the so be it, some of us would rather our QB be in the top part of these stats.

I can hear it now the, "he has a terrible OL line and does not get much time" well that is very true, but think about the snaps when he DOES have time. He still stares down his receiver, he still does not check out of a bad play, he still holds the ball to long, usually under throws the deep ball, and he CANNOT read a blitz, so what makes you think he is gonna be able to do all this stuff when he has an OL?
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You said he threw a bunch of short passes. Statistically, he really doesn't throw it short any more often than anyone else. That's all I was trying to say.

Not really sure what's so controversial about that.
 
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bag12day said:
No we ( most people if I understand correctly) think that the whole offense is bad. That includes JG, the coaching staff, OL RBs outta the backfield, and especially our receivers who should be on bi polar meds.
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The OL was weak. JG has his issues. The TE's overall were disappointing. I thought the RB's ran well for what they had to work with... and the WR's played good.
 
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piratelifeforme said:
Talent is not mental! He does not have the talent to read blitzes or chooses not to do so. He does not have the talent to check off to a 2nd receiver or chooses not to do so. He is not capable of getting rid of the ball quicker or likes the feel of it and chooses not to do so. In all those cases, the talent is simply not there or has not been honed. The camps and high school rating systems were wrong with this one.
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The things you are referring to are skills not talents per common vernacular. He can learn to read blitzes and check off if coached correctly.

It is possible he that he one of the fabled "practice players" that freeze when the lights come on, but that too can be improved with the right.....coaching.

The O line issues and the JG issues are pretty typical when a new Coordinator takes over an offense. Which of course means...it is possible we will see more of the same, barring an internal hire.

Playing the long game, Pruitt would be better off IMO to bring in a proven successful guy and hand the offense to him. However if that happens expect a less than stellar season next year and especially so in the first few games.
 
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Volumnus 2011 said:
Dude, it's Probably Football Focus. It's a well respected grading company that's made up by thousands of professionals. You may disagree with them, but nobody would take you seriously if you did
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Cause according to that stat, 72% of the time he had a clean pocket........does not sound like an OL problem to me but we all know better than that so the there must be more to the stat.
 
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piratelifeforme said:
link? cause I only see for the Auburn game. If PFF thinks his rating was high for Mizzouri and Vandy then they need to put down the bong or switch to a less mind effecting drug.
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Are you ever going to present some evidence that he can't read the defense on any particular play? Will you present some evidence for ANY of your claims?
 
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piratelifeforme said:
So lets get this straight. based on the screen shot you just posted. JG had a clean pocket on 72% of his drop backs but you wanna bitch about the time he had?

That stat says he had a clean pocket on 178 attempts and he only threw 246 times last year. So on 72% of the throws he had a clean pocket. Give any other QB in the SEC a clean pocket on 72% of his drop backs and I promise you they throw for more than 1900 yards and 12 TD's
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How do you not understand statistics or how to interpret them. This is elementary stuff. He threw the ball 246 times, and when he had a clean pocket he was among the best. But he only threw 246 times. He averaged the same amount of yards per attempt as Drew Lock. That means, had Lock thrown the same amount of passes as JG, he'd have the same yards and vice versa. All this while Tennessee had more drops on catchable balls than any other team in the SEC.
 
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GAVol said:
You said he threw a bunch of short passes. Statistically, he really doesn't throw it short any more often than anyone else. That's all I was trying to say.

Not really sure what's so controversial about that.
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Do you have a statistic that compares short completions? That's a pretty deep analysis that would have to chart where every throw was caught.

My problem with his short passes is more that DC's learned that they could bait JG into throwing them on 3rd down then make the tackle with no 1st down. It happened enough to be noticeable. JG would give up on plays downfield quickly because the dump down looked so open.
 
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