JG and Quarterback Transfers

[bag12day]

He can do that, but he's getting hit a lot before he even finishes his drop. I don't think he's great but Nothing matters until we fix the interior of the o-line.

Why the heck some of these dimwits cant see this escapes me...I shouldn't call them dimwits, bless their pea picking hearts. I think most "JG fanboys" would admit he would never be the best QB in the SEC this year or next but this OL and receiving corp was so bad/ inconsistent that you can not fairly grade how good or bad JG is until he has more that .35 seconds to make a read.
Can u ban sum of de dumazz up n hear?

 

[piratelifeforme]

Why the heck some of these dimwits cant see this escapes me...I shouldn't call them dimwits, bless their pea picking hearts. I think most "JG fanboys" would admit he would never be the best QB in the SEC this year or next but this OL and receiving corp was so bad/ inconsistent that you can not fairly grade how good or bad JG is until he has more that .35 seconds to make a read.
Can u ban sum of de dumazz up n hear?

ALL of his drop backs were not that way. When he had time he still stared down receivers and held the ball too long and some of the problem with the time was the FACT that he cant read a blitz! If he could read them properly then he could check assignments and maybe get more time or hit the hot receiver and not take a negative play. He does NONE of those things well if at all.

 

[piratelifeforme]

I have two words for you, Jonathan Crompton.

Watch film, Cromptons issues were between his ears and not physical. JG's issues are physical. He simply cannot read a blitz, he cannot check down a secondary or third receiver, he does not know where to throw it when a blitz is about to crush him. Those are physical issues and not head issues. Kiffin fixed crompton in the head. JG must refuse to learn the physical.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

ALL of his drop backs were not that way. When he had time he still stared down receivers and held the ball too long and some of the problem with the time was the FACT that he cant read a blitz! If he could read them properly then he could check assignments and maybe get more time or hit the hot receiver and not take a negative play. He does NONE of those things well if at all.

Post your specific evidence. Freak posts full games sometimes. Go find one on YouTube and support your argument. Go ahead. Show us he can't read a blitz.

Until then, I'm going to label you a parrot, because posters here have shown examples of him having the proper read and still getting blasted.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

Watch film, Cromptons issues were between his ears and not physical. JG's issues are physical. He simply cannot read a blitz, he cannot check down a secondary or third receiver, he does not know where to throw it when a blitz is about to crush him. Those are physical issues and not head issues. Kiffin fixed crompton in the head. JG must refuse to learn the physical.

Lol! Those are exactly what "head issues" are. Those have NOTHING to do with physical ability. Lol.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

You must work for CNN, using stats to make your argument but manipulating the way those same stats are introduced in order to make your point seem valid. If I were to oly use YPA as a determination of good then Benny Snell is the best QB in the SEC as his YPA is 43.1 even though he only threw 1 pass last year. Drew Lock threw over 150 more passes than JG did, threw for more than 1200 more yards and more than twice the number of TD's. But you dont wanna mention that Locke threw 150 more passes.

JG is
8th in rating,
6th in YPA,
12th in completions,
14th in attempts,
11th in yards,
8th in completion %,
11th in TD's

Middle of the pack stats for a middle of the pack QB. If that is god enough for you the so be it, some of us would rather our QB be in the top part of these stats.

I can hear it now the, "he has a terrible OL line and does not get much time" well that is very true, but think about the snaps when he DOES have time. He still stares down his receiver, he still does not check out of a bad play, he still holds the ball to long, usually under throws the deep ball, and he CANNOT read a blitz, so what makes you think he is gonna be able to do all this stuff when he has an OL?

This whole post is full of fail. JG attempted the least amount of passes of any quarterback, but still had more touchdowns than some. He was tied with Drew Locke for 5th in yards per attempt, while Locke threw 150 more passes, meaning he had more total yards and chances to throw touchdowns.
But since all this is on JG's reads and holding onto the ball, explain the rushing woes. Tennessee was dead last in the SEC in all but one major rushing statistic category. The one they weren't last in, they were 13th. And, Tennessee ran the ball nearly 60% of the time. No wonder JG didn't put up points. His drives were stalled by calling rushing plays that wouldn't work because the line was terrible. Then, when he did get to throw, he was constantly under pressure and still ended up in the top half of the league in YPA.

If you think the line wasn't bad, then you're ignoring how terrible we were at running the football all year.

 

[piratelifeforme]

This whole post is full of fail. JG attempted the least amount of passes of any quarterback, but still had more touchdowns than some. He was tied with Drew Locke for 5th in yards per attempt, while Locke threw 150 more passes, meaning he had more total yards and chances to throw touchdowns.
But since all this is on JG's reads and holding onto the ball, explain the rushing woes. Tennessee was dead last in the SEC in all but one major rushing statistic category. The one they weren't last in, they were 13th. And, Tennessee ran the ball nearly 60% of the time. No wonder JG didn't put up points. His drives were stalled by calling rushing plays that wouldn't work because the line was terrible. Then, when he did get to throw, he was constantly under pressure and still ended up in the top half of the league in YPA.

If you think the line wasn't bad, then you're ignoring how terrible we were at running the football all year.

reading is a challenge to some I guess. I never said the line was not bad but I did say EVERY time he dropped back he did not get hit or have no time. There were plays when he had plenty of time and still could not read defenses. Do you think some of the times he got hit and had not time was simply because he could not read the blitz coming?

 

[piratelifeforme]

Lol! Those are exactly what "head issues" are. Those have NOTHING to do with physical ability. Lol.

Reading a blitz is not a head issue, it is a physical talent that is learned. Middle school kids do not have to read blitzes but they LEARN how to in high school or during their first year at a college. Turning your head to look off a safety or check to a 2nd or 3rd receiver is a physical talent that is learned not a mental issue.

 

[bag12day]

Watch film, Cromptons issues were between his ears and not physical. JG's issues are physical. He simply cannot read a blitz cause he has his eyes closed, he cannot check down a secondary or third receiver because when he does he throws the ball 15 yards short, he does not know where to throw it when a blitz is about to crush him because his already on his azz from the turnstiles in front of him. Those are physical issues and not head issues. Kiffin fixed crompton in the head. JG must refuse to learn the physical.

I fixed your post to correct your understanding of PHYSICAL issues vs Mental aspects of the game. Reading a blitz, checking to an open read/ going thru a progression, and figuring what zone will be open ( still have to have a receiver recognize and sit in said open area) are all mental aspects BTW.

 

[piratelifeforme]

This whole post is full of fail. JG attempted the least amount of passes of any quarterback, but still had more touchdowns than some. He was tied with Drew Locke for 5th in yards per attempt, while Locke threw 150 more passes, meaning he had more total yards and chances to throw touchdowns.
But since all this is on JG's reads and holding onto the ball, explain the rushing woes. Tennessee was dead last in the SEC in all but one major rushing statistic category. The one they weren't last in, they were 13th. And, Tennessee ran the ball nearly 60% of the time. No wonder JG didn't put up points. His drives were stalled by calling rushing plays that wouldn't work because the line was terrible. Then, when he did get to throw, he was constantly under pressure and still ended up in the top half of the league in YPA.

If you think the line wasn't bad, then you're ignoring how terrible we were at running the football all year.

MAYBE just MAYBE if JG could have read the defense he could have stayed on the field and thrown more passes, but since all the defense had to do was blitz him our 3rd down conversion rate was 38%. Some of that is on the OL and some of it is on JG. If he is the QB next year then we wil be in the 5 or 6 win column again. He is simply NOT and SEC caliber QB.

 

[sjt18]

False premises.

Most of us are not judging JG for the external things. Some QB's have also succeeded with changes at OC. That's not the major point. The point is that there are things that are innate for good QB's. Some guys have great arms... and some have Danny Wuerffel instincts and field awareness.

JG is a third year player. It would be just as valid to argue that 3 professional OC's tried and failed to get him to read D's, make accurate/quick decisions, and develop pocket presence.

He takes a lot of sacks and hits when it isn't necessary which points to him being unable to make decisions quickly. It isn't arm strength. It isn't raw intelligence. There is nothing inferior about being a deliberate thinker... but it doesn't work well in some jobs including QB.

HOPEFULLY, it will finally click for him in year 4 but it is hard to be optimistic.

PS- Funny how it is wrong to criticize JG but good sport to condemn the OL. Some, not all, but definitely some of the hits and sacks JG took were on him. Some, not all, but definitely some of UT's inability to sustain drives and score points consistently was on JG. Only the foolish blame him for everything that went wrong. But it is just as foolish to ignore his weaknesses and blame everything on others.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

reading is a challenge to some I guess. I never said the line was not bad but I did say EVERY time he dropped back he did not get hit or have no time. There were plays when he had plenty of time and still could not read defenses. Do you think some of the times he got hit and had not time was simply because he could not read the blitz coming?

Pro Football Focus says when he has a clean pocket, he has a 90+ rating out of 100.... Sooooo

 

[TheDeeble]

But since all this is on JG's reads and holding onto the ball, explain the rushing woes. Tennessee was dead last in the SEC in all but one major rushing statistic category. The one they weren't last in, they were 13th. And, Tennessee ran the ball nearly 60% of the time. No wonder JG didn't put up points. His drives were stalled by calling rushing plays that wouldn't work because the line was terrible. Then, when he did get to throw, he was constantly under pressure and still ended up in the top half of the league in YPA.

If you think the line wasn't bad, then you're ignoring how terrible we were at running the football all year.

2 things killed UT's rush avg. Jeremy Banks and JG getting sacked. JG had 40 attempts for -94 yards. 22 of those are sacks. Banks avg 3.6 yards on 52 carries.

Our 3 lead rushing backs of Chandler, Jordan, and London combined for a 4.69 ypc avg. 1358(of the 1549 total) yards on 289 attempts. They aren't the liability you're hoping they are.

 

[piratelifeforme]

I fixed your post to correct your understanding of PHYSICAL issues vs Mental aspects of the game. Reading a blitz, checking to an open read/ going thru a progression, and figuring what zone will be open ( still have to have a receiver recognize and sit in said open area) are all mental aspects BTW.

But they are not mental aspects of the game. Reading a defense is physical. Although it does not require physical talent to do so, it is not totally mental either. One has to learn what to look for and then common sense should take over to throw the ball where the defender just left since that space will be open. Some of this is on the receiver to get his azz to that spot.

Mentally he KNOWS he needs to read the blitzes and I would safely assume he has been taught HOW to do that, he just does not do it. He has been taught how to check off to a 2nd receiver, he simply does not do so, He knows to get rid of the quicker but he simply does not do them.

Young toddlers know they need to piss in the toilet but they simply do not have the physical ability to do so

So you are saying that EVERY passing play last year he was on his backside? Never did he get time to look off the safety and throw to the other side? He never had time before the snap to check out of a bad play? He NEVER had an opportunity to get rid of the quicker? He had opportunities to do ALL those things, he simply is not physically talented enough to do them.

 

[sjt18]

So, once again, much like KC last year, those of us that saw some obvious flaws in JG play wanted to see KC and see what he could do. You say if JG had a better line he would perform at a lower level? I say you don't know how he would do. He has shown that he has the ability, given time in the pocket to make things happen. The issue is that when he is hurried constantly, he stares down a receiver then either throws a short pass for a complete/incomplete or gets killed. I see errors that he should be overcoming, but we either get him protection because he really hasn't had time to learn enough to slow the game or we get another QB. I repeat, you don't know what JG would do with a better line and another .5 to 1 second to make decisions. I would like to see him behind a line that gives him that time and then make my decisions once and for all.

The problem with that notion is that no QB can expect to have as much time as it often takes JG to make decisions. He's a half count slow on almost every decision. He does it even on plays where the protection holds up... and he consistently fails to get the ball out quickly when he should see pressure coming.

If his timing wasn't an issue UT could have gone to a quick passing O using slants, hitches, drags, etc. Some QB's no better than JG at making reads are protected by OC's that go to quick passing games to keep D's honest. But JG seems to have problems anticipating routes. Most of the time the receiver has to be open before JG will release the ball... He seldom throws receivers open. Even more seldom is when he sees a coverage and throws a guy open based on where he KNOWS the defenders will be.

If the OL improves, the O will still be limited by JG's limitations... and he STILL cannot expect to have more than 2.5 seconds on average to deliver the ball.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

False premises.

Most of us are not judging JG for the external things. Some QB's have also succeeded with changes at OC. That's not the major point. The point is that there are things that are innate for good QB's. Some guys have great arms... and some have Danny Wuerffel instincts and field awareness.

JG is a third year player. It would be just as valid to argue that 3 professional OC's tried and failed to get him to read D's, make accurate/quick decisions, and develop pocket presence.

He takes a lot of sacks and hits when it isn't necessary which points to him being unable to make decisions quickly. It isn't arm strength. It isn't raw intelligence. There is nothing inferior about being a deliberate thinker... but it doesn't work well in some jobs including QB.

HOPEFULLY, it will finally click for him in year 4 but it is hard to be optimistic.

PS- Funny how it is wrong to criticize JG but good sport to condemn the OL. Some, not all, but definitely some of the hits and sacks JG took were on him. Some, not all, but definitely some of UT's inability to sustain drives and score points consistently was on JG. Only the foolish blame him for everything that went wrong. But it is just as foolish to ignore his weaknesses and blame everything on others.

Again, we had the worst rushing game in the SEC, yet, we were middle of the road passing. So the o-line sucks when we're rushing, but it's middle of the road pass blocking? No.

Most people you find on here don't say he has no weaknesses. His main weakness was his offensive line though.

 

[piratelifeforme]

Pro Football Focus says when he has a clean pocket, he has a 90+ rating out of 100.... Sooooo

OH how cute!! you wanna use the Auburn game as the whole year. PFF said that for the week of the Auburn game only and not for the whole year.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

Reading a blitz is not a head issue, it is a physical talent that is learned. Middle school kids do not have to read blitzes but they LEARN how to in high school or during their first year at a college. Turning your head to look off a safety or check to a 2nd or 3rd receiver is a physical talent that is learned not a mental issue.

Lol. No. Those aren't physical, they're mental. Good Lord.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

OH how cute!! you wanna use the Auburn game as the whole year. PFF said that for the week of the Auburn game only and not for the whole year.

No. It was for the whole year.

 

[piratelifeforme]

Again, we had the worst rushing game in the SEC, yet, we were middle of the road passing. So the o-line sucks when we're rushing, but it's middle of the road pass blocking? No.

Most people you find on here don't say he has no weaknesses. His main weakness was his offensive line though.

If you think his main weakness is the OL, then you and I are watching different QB's.

 

[piratelifeforme]

Lol. No. Those aren't physical, they're mental. Good Lord.

Knowing it has to be done is mental, actually doing it is physical. Actually reading the defense is physical, some kids have it and some dont. JG dont.

 

[sjt18]

But they are not mental aspects of the game. Reading a defense is physical. Although it does not require physical talent to do so, it is not totally mental either. One has to learn what to look for and then common sense should take over to throw the ball where the defender just left since that space will be open. Some of this is on the receiver to get his azz to that spot.

I think I get what you are trying to say... but it is still 100% mental. It is a connection between preparation, knowledge of the playbook, experience with the WR, and instinct. It is an ability to visualize what's about to happen rather than waiting til it happens to make a decision. JG for whatever reason does not usually anticipate and visualize then deliver to the right spot.

I want him to succeed. I do. But there are innate components to doing what we're talking about. People are "born with" part of it just like some are born to grow to 6'4" and with the ability to throw a football further and more accurate than most of us.

All talents have to be honed into skills. But... you have to have the talent first.

 

[piratelifeforme]

No. It was for the whole year.

link? cause I only see for the Auburn game. If PFF thinks his rating was high for Mizzouri and Vandy then they need to put down the bong or switch to a less mind effecting drug.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Maybe just a different definition of game manager.

IMO, game managers are just ok/average qbs. They aren't bad enough to cause a team to lose, but they're aren't the drivers for wins either. Average stats. Doesn't take over and win games by himself. A team can win with a game manager for a qb if they have a strong defense and a good run game. A Trent Dilfer.

Ah, I didn't read it that way. I thought you meant to say he wasn't a game manager ......you are saying he is just a game manager. Got it.

 

[bag12day]

If you think his main weakness is the OL, then you and I are watching different QB's.

No we ( most people if I understand correctly) think that the whole offense is bad. That includes JG, the coaching staff, OL RBs outta the backfield, and especially our receivers who should be on bi polar meds.