Jarrett Guarantano

I expect Butch to go with Dormady entire game at florida barring injury. We should see JG again vs Massachusetts. We need to get JG all the reps we can in games we get a good lead in because he has the talent still doesn't have decision making abilty and neither does Dormady although he definitely has a slight edge over JG right now.

The edge isn't slight and Dormady isn't some talentless goob running out there because UT doesn't have anyone else. Dormady has talent. So does JG. Dormady's advantage is not just experience or time. There are some innate talents involved in ball placement, reading D's, anticipating plays, etc.

There are things that Dobbs never mastered. He was so good at other things that ultimately it didn't matter. That does NOT mean that things like the ability to anticipate plays aren't important or can't make someone as productive as Dobbs was with his unique skill set.

At least one of these guys will emerge. They won't be the same as Dobbs but that's the wrong comparison. The right comparison is production and wins.
 
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I think the games have proven what came out in all the reports this spring and fall.

QD better command of the offense, more consistent, should start at this point.

JG better arm, faster, still needs time but huge potential.
 
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Literally said he is a year away. This offense only thrives with a mobile QB so we all should hope he develops into a solid one. Which I think he will in a year or so. But go ahead and compare one of the best damn quarterbacks college or the NFLs ever seen to our current situation.

According to Jones, that's not true. You may know more about the O that Jones invented himself and has coached for the last 10 years plus... but he says his O can work well without a running QB.

Dormady isn't a statue... but if what you are insinuating were true... Dormady wouldn't be starting. He wouldn't even be on the team.
 
You can say it over and over and over... it still isn't true. He's made mistakes. But you guys either don't understand what it means to stare down a receiver... or are watching a different game.

QD has made some bad decisions and reads. He's made a few bad throws. He's also had receivers make poor reads, slow down, or not run routes correctly.

SOME of the plays have two receivers working the same area with the QB reading off the reaction of the D in that area... that is NOT staring the receiver down.

I fully understand, he is staring down receivers on the interception in the endzone against Indiana State, he stared down the receiver the entire time, he continued to do it the whole game, he even did it to Kelly coming out of the backfield.

I am not saying he can't fix it but SEC defenses will eat him alive if he doesn't improve on it.

It is funny how the receivers are an excuse when Dormady is the QB but last year with Dobbs "he was just a horrible passer"!!!

Dormady is going to have to be better or we are going to be a 6-6 Team come December!!!

He can be better but he is far from a Good Qb right now, not saying he can't be one but he isn't even close right now!!!:)
 
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The edge isn't slight and Dormady isn't some talentless goob running out there because UT doesn't have anyone else. Dormady has talent. So does JG. Dormady's advantage is not just experience or time. There are some innate talents involved in ball placement, reading D's, anticipating plays, etc.

There are things that Dobbs never mastered. He was so good at other things that ultimately it didn't matter. That does NOT mean that things like the ability to anticipate plays aren't important or can't make someone as productive as Dobbs was with his unique skill set.

At least one of these guys will emerge. They won't be the same as Dobbs but that's the wrong comparison. The right comparison is production and wins.

What has QD done that leads you to believe reading defenses is a skill he has?
 
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I think the games have proven what came out in all the reports this spring and fall.

QD better command of the offense, more consistent, should start at this point.

JG better arm, faster, still needs time but huge potential.

Can you cite the reports that said JG had the better arm? I didn't see them. The ones I saw praised the arm talent of both guys. And... QD's advantage doesn't end with command of the O or even consistency. There is innate talent involved in throwing a receiver open.

The TD pass to MC Saturday is a case in point. Did you hear the post-game with MC? The pass looked a little behind. MC said that QD threw it there on purpose to lead him away from the safety help coming from the middle. So you have QD throwing to a spot about 10-15 yards from where MC was when the ball was released. It was thrown enough to the center of the field to keep the CB from being able to cut under and make a play BUT not so much that MC couldn't make a back shoulder catch and spin out for the score.

I'm not making this up. This is what MC said happened and that it was the QB's responsibility to throw in a way that leads the receiver away from trouble.

I don't know how good JG will become at doing things like this.... or the two throws that QD has now made for TD's in the red zone. But that isn't just time in the system. There is an innate talent involved there just as surely as the ability to run or throw the ball 100 yards.


I know you are absolutely DESPERATE to avoid acknowledging QD's talent.... but he does have talent and his advantage over JG isn't just an "at this point" advantage. He has some talent and skills that JG either isn't as strong in. It may be something he can develop or it may simply be a strength for QD and something JG has to work hard to keep from being a fatal weakness.
 
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There weren't any reports that said JG had the better arm. And... QD's advantage doesn't end with command of the O or even consistency. There is innate talent involved in throwing a receiver open.

The TD pass to MC Saturday is a case in point. Did you hear the post-game with MC? The pass looked a little behind. MC said that QD threw it there on purpose to lead him away from the safety help coming from the middle. So you have QD throwing to a spot about 10-15 yards from where MC was when the ball was released. It was thrown enough to the center of the field to keep the CB from being able to cut under and make a play BUT not so much that MC couldn't make a back shoulder catch and spin out for the score.

I'm not making this up. This is what MC said happened and that it was the QB's responsibility to throw in a way that leads the receiver away from trouble.

I don't know how good JG will become at doing things like this.... or the two throws that QD has now made for TD's in the red zone. But that isn't just time in the system. There is an innate talent involved there just as surely as the ability to run or throw the ball 100 yards.

SJT you have gotten really emotionally invested in this for some reason and have lost all touch with reality it seems.

Dormady did make a really good throw on the td.

He hasn't shown the ability to throw the wr open at all though. He has forced passes and made bad reads. He has thrown high or behind the wr a ton.

He has thrown a couple good passes and a ton more bad passes that would have been ints against better teams including two that could have been pick sixes.

He may develop the skills you say but has not shown them at all yet.

Pretty much all the reports would say QD was probably ahead but JG had a bigger arm and threw a better ball. Go look it up. Everyone saw it.
 
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SJT you have gotten really emotionally invested in this for some reason and have lost all touch with reality it seems.

Dormady did make a really good throw on the td.

He hasn't shown the ability to throw the wr open at all though. He has forced passes and made bad reads. He has thrown high or behind the wr a ton.

He has thrown a couple good passes and a ton more bad passes that would have been ints against better teams including two that could have been pick sixes.

He may develop the skills you say but has not shown them at all yet.

Pretty much all the reports would say QD was probably ahead but JG had a bigger arm and threw a better ball. Go look it up. Everyone saw it.

Truth!!!:)
 
What has QD done that leads you to believe reading defenses is a skill he has?

Jones said that QD made plays to his 3rd check Saturday. MC gave QD credit for ball placement on his TD. Ball placement to Johnson and MC's TD vs GT was pretty much perfect as were the reads to throw the ball to them. The one to MC vs GT was simple but still the right read. The one to Johnson was a pre-snap check on something they had apparently worked at in prep for GT.

One particular play this week, QD looked at two different receivers then quickly dumped the ball off to a RB in the flat.

He's far from perfect. He's been clear about that. The coaches have been clear about that. But they also praised his ability to do it and see the field.
 
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QD needs to continue to get reps. the offense is functioning pretty well with him back there.

and the good news is we are seeing WR's fighting for balls and actually getting some separation...the two over throws were tough to see, but....we had great separation, and those will be there again.

QD has made mistakes, none that led to TO's, so you get to learn w/out having to pay the ultimate price. but mostly, QD's decision making, reads, check downs etc...have been pretty good.

it should only get better rep after rep after rep and tons of film study.

i think we have an excellent problem at QB. JG isn't going to suck, he's just not quite ready yet...zero doubt that he will get there though. QD is closer right now, that's all i really see.
 
SJT you have gotten really emotionally invested in this for some reason and have lost all touch with reality it seems.
:lolabove: Coming from you?

No. I am defending against the overreaction. QD has made plenty of mistakes but this notion that he's staring receivers down as a matter of habit or even often is just false. He's made some good throws... and some bad ones. He's made some good reads and then some like the pick that are inexplicably bad.

He hasn't shown the ability to throw the wr open at all though. He has forced passes and made bad reads. He has thrown high or behind the wr a ton.
Pure BS. Go listen to MC's post game comments and apply that to some of the other plays where it looks like the ball was thrown badly. Sometimes... they were bad throws. Sometimes... the receiver needed to read the coverage and know where the ball was going to be.
He may develop the skills you say but has not shown them at all yet.
Your pride just won't let you give the guy credit at all, will it? I mean for you, he's dirt... he's always going to be dirt... and the only way he will stop being dirt is if the coaches see your "wisdom" and start JG... then he can be the back up.

GT played zone. Have you ever played organized football? (honest question, not being a smart aleck) Against a zone, the receivers are responsible for finding soft spots and idling or settling into them. The receivers didn't do a great job of that. Byrd in particular seemed to be running as if he were playing against man or cover 2. That doesn't mean QD threw the ball perfectly. But there is more to the appearance of accuracy than just the QB's throw.

On the over throws, are you talking about the really bad passes QD threw once at JJ and once to Wolf vs GT or the deep throws?

One of the first things QB's are taught is that you don't throw the long ones short or the short ones long. The passes QD missed deep vs ISU were deep balls overthrown. You live with those and sometimes the receiver gets held up by the DB on those. On one Saturday, Palmer slowed down as if he wasn't expecting the ball. The two vs GT are really good examples of throwing a short one long. Those are dangerous. The only one of those I remember from ISU was thrown by JG.

Pretty much all the reports would say QD was probably ahead but JG had a bigger arm and threw a better ball. Go look it up. Everyone saw it.
If they "all" said it then it should be no problem whatsoever for you to find say... 3 examples. I read pretty much everything I can find on the Vols. I don't remember reading an article that actually compared their arm strength. I think there might have been a couple that said QD was more accurate but not in a way that really disparaged JG's accuracy.


You have a bad habit of making the "everyone knows" type of argument then when called on it can't provide any proof.

I think JG would have done better Saturday with a little less pressure and more help. He didn't do anything that discouraged me from thinking he's going to do well when his time to play comes whether now or later.

If I am having an "emotional" reaction... it is to the false criticisms of Dormady.
 
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JG does not have the maturity to be the leader of the team. At no point is he involved on the sideline. At any point he can be called upon and he will go in not even knowing what down it is. He is not a team player from the first two games I have seen. QD's numbers would be better if there was an account for the dropped balls, but he does make some questionable throws. This week we will see how he does against Florida's D.
 
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:lolabove: Coming from you?

No. I am defending against the overreaction. QD has made plenty of mistakes but this notion that he's staring receivers down as a matter of habit or even often is just false. He's made some good throws... and some bad ones. He's made some good reads and then some like the pick that are inexplicably bad.

Pure BS. Go listen to MC's post game comments and apply that to some of the other plays where it looks like the ball was thrown badly. Sometimes... they were bad throws. Sometimes... the receiver needed to read the coverage and know where the ball was going to be.
Your pride just won't let you give the guy credit at all, will it? I mean for you, he's dirt... he's always going to be dirt... and the only way he will stop being dirt is if the coaches see your "wisdom" and start JG... then he can be the back up.

One good pass he lead the wr on doesn't make up for the ten he missed where he should have the lead them or threw them open. So he has done it once and failed to do it about ten or more times. I wouldn't include that in his skillset until he can do it CONSISTENTLY .

If they "all" said it then it should be no problem whatsoever for you to find say... 3 examples. I read pretty much everything I can find on the Vols. I don't remember reading an article that actually compared their arm strength. I think there might have been a couple that said QD was more accurate but not in a way that really disparaged JG's accuracy.

I really never bother with the give me links bs when its is something like this that is well known but if I have time I will find you links because apparently you slept through fall camp.

I don't think QD is trash. I have consistently said I think he has talent and potential and that if he starts I want him to play well.

He hasn't so far. He has not shown all the high level skills you claimed he had that Dobbs didn't. Those are just facts.
 
I really never bother with the give me links bs when its is something like this that is well known but if I have time I will find you links because apparently you slept through fall camp.

I don't think QD is trash. I have consistently said I think he has talent and potential and that if he starts I want him to play well.

He hasn't so far. He has not shown all the high level skills you claimed he had that Dobbs didn't. Those are just facts.

He's played well enough to go 2-0, with one bad play. Not exaggerated bad play, or one that ended up being a simple incomplete pass.
 
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According to Jones, that's not true. You may know more about the O that Jones invented himself and has coached for the last 10 years plus... but he says his O can work well without a running QB.

Dormady isn't a statue... but if what you are insinuating were true... Dormady wouldn't be starting. He wouldn't even be on the team.

Believing half of what comes out of his mouth is a mistake. Anyways, Dormady is far from a statue and his mobility will be put to the test in the first two SEC games. We have got to have some sort of resemblance of a QB running threat. No, he doesn't have to be Josh Dobbs. Defenses teeing off on John Kelly because they have absolutely no respect of Dormady keeping it scares the hell out of me because it's going to increase the chances of John getting hurt.
 
Believing half of what comes out of his mouth is a mistake. Anyways, Dormady is far from a statue and his mobility will be put to the test in the first two SEC games. We have got to have some sort of resemblance of a QB running threat. No, he doesn't have to be Josh Dobbs. Defenses teeing off on John Kelly because they have absolutely no respect of Dormady keeping it scares the hell out of me because it's going to increase the chances of John getting hurt.

I'd rather just see our O-line man up and give the RBs enough room to be successful without having to worry about Dormady needing to run.

All this talk about the QBs "needing to run" sounds like conceding poor O-line play.
 
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Hate to tell ya but the TD throw to Calloway was definitely an example of this. If he doesn't put that ball where did, MC doesn't score.

I have given him credit for that and it was a good pass. But doing it once and failing ten other times at the same thing means he can't do it consistently.
 
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Just heard on the radio that our receivers aren't getting the separation they need. Hard to get the ball to them.
 
Believing half of what comes out of his mouth is a mistake. Anyways, Dormady is far from a statue and his mobility will be put to the test in the first two SEC games. We have got to have some sort of resemblance of a QB running threat. No, he doesn't have to be Josh Dobbs. Defenses teeing off on John Kelly because they have absolutely no respect of Dormady keeping it scares the hell out of me because it's going to increase the chances of John getting hurt.

If QD connects accurately on some deep balls then he can keep the defense away from Kelly. He just has to do what good quarterbacks do.
 
I have given him credit for that and it was a good pass. But doing it once and failing ten other times at the same thing means he can't do it consistently.

The guy has been the starter for two whole games. It's not like we didn't know we had question marks at QB.. Give him a chance to settle in. I think he might surprise you.
 

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