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#101
#101
AndyMizunogolfer said:
Hiring Freeze lol. If they fire Pruitt they are not hiring Freeze. Not with UT having the NCAA breathing down their necks. Feels like Fulmer as intern for 2021.
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I personally will not watch 1 down of TN football if Phil Fulmer was listed as the head coach in any way.
He is the head monkey of the circus we have now.
 
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If the coaching search lasts more than one day I will give up. They should have coach in-hand when they fire him. Gotta be Herman or Gus. Freeze is a desperation hire. How can you fire a guy for cause and hire Freeze as the next coach with his level of baggage.
 
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SGMVols said:
That just isn’t how the market works. You’ll just make it ten times harder to hire a coach at a place that has enough trouble getting good coaches as is.
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Change the market.

It got this way somehow.... it isn't written into law. It can be changed. I would offer more money and allow for a lower buyout if a coach fails to win more than 5 games in 2 seasons out of 4. So maybe at this point we would be talking about Pruitt's buyout being $2-3 million rather than what it is.

On the other side, load the contract with incentives and bonuses for success and even progress.... maybe more specific things like improvements in total O, total D, scoring O, and scoring D.

The way the market currently works penalizes programs who don't have their "Saban". It protects the guys getting paid millions TOO much and the stakeholders in the program too little.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Every CEO in America is paid like a head coach. That's why they call them golden parachutes. They may get bonuses for good performance but they dont get contract money taken away ever. Again, nobody is taking on that level of responsibility without absolute guaranteed money.
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They don't because contracts are binding. However they almost never get 5 year guaranteed contracts detached from performance expectations. Those instances have been highlighted by the media... but they are not the norm.

You don't have the option of taking away contract money. You do have the option of writing contracts that lay out performance expectations for the money.
 
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ShoalCreekVol said:
All this is avoidable if we simply write contracts that require a performance level.

Instead, we guarantee money and job security, make it as difficult as possible to remove and replace, without requiring so much as an iota of accountability for actual success.
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Man this would be great. Unfortunately all it would take is a few schools to not operate like this and start handing out buyouts and extensions, to ruin it for all. Having incentive contracts for coaches would make college football so much more enjoyable.
 
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This is how you know just how incompetent and dysfunctional UT’s leadership is from the top down. Sadly, our problems don’t simply end with Pruitt and Fulmer.
 
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sjt18 said:
They don't because contracts are binding. However they almost never get 5 year guaranteed contracts detached from performance expectations. Those instances have been highlighted by the media... but they are not the norm.

You don't have the option of taking away contract money. You do have the option of writing contracts that lay out performance expectations for the money.
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You have the option, but it's not done that way. You agree to be the CEO (or head coach) for X years for X dollars regardless of performance. We will give you X dollars more if you achieve Y and if you dont maybe we wont ask you back after your contract is up.

However people dont sign contracts based on the "bonus" incentives. They sign them based on the base level of guaranteed money. the bonus incentives are just gravy.

I wont be your head coach for less than 5 mil a year guaranteed money. If you want to give me 7 mil if I win 10 games that's on you, but I'm not signing any contract that takes my base pay from 5 mil to 2 mil if I sh!t the bed. You wont see a contract signed like that. The stress and time commitment of being a CEO or a head coach is too much and people simply wont do it.
 
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sjt18 said:
Change the market.

It got this way somehow.... it isn't written into law. It can be changed. I would offer more money and allow for a lower buyout if a coach fails to win more than 5 games in 2 seasons out of 4. So maybe at this point we would be talking about Pruitt's buyout being $2-3 million rather than what it is.

On the other side, load the contract with incentives and bonuses for success and even progress.... maybe more specific things like improvements in total O, total D, scoring O, and scoring D.

The way the market currently works penalizes programs who don't have their "Saban". It protects the guys getting paid millions TOO much and the stakeholders in the program too little.
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The problem is what ever school "goes first" to change the market will be at an immediate competitive disadvantage to the others. All the schools would have to agree in advance to "change the market" and that would likely be an illegal restraint of trade. Conspiring to fix the market. Those are the real world constraints.
 
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Rylee_Vol18 said:
So do we actually have any indication he's going to be fired? Or just a bunch of people guessing, like always?
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There are lots of indications he might be fired. If you're wanting some kind of guarantee you're obviously out of luck.

The fact that the university hired lawyers and just publicly stated they wont be discussing contract renewals with any coaches is pretty telling.

If the university had complete faith and backed the coaches 100% then this would not be happening.

So yeah, there's smoke and somewhere there's a fire. Does the fire burn the house down? Nobody knows that YET. But when the firemen show up and go "OMG look at that" you know the outcome isn't looking good.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
There are lots of indications he might be fired. If you're wanting some kind of guarantee you're obviously out of luck.

The fact that the university hired lawyers and just publicly stated they wont be discussing contract renewals with any coaches is pretty telling.

If the university had complete faith and backed the coaches 100% then this would not be happening.

So yeah, there's smoke and somewhere there's a fire. Does the fire burn the house down? Nobody knows that YET. But when the firemen show up and go "OMG look at that" you know the outcome isn't looking good.
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I just don't buy it. Tennessee literally messes everything up.
 
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Arkansas' AD got a contract done with Pittman that was very University friendly. Pittman is paid $3 mill/ year with incentives of $200k per win over 6. He has a non SEC compete clause written in basically saying that he won't leave for another school in the conference. Also on the buyout:
"If the Razorbacks fire him for convenience during the five-year term, the UA would owe him 75% of his remaining annual pay as long as the team wins 50% or more of its games. If the Razorbacks win less than 50% of their games and Pittman is fired, the UA would owe him 50% of his remaining annual pay."
 
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Rylee_Vol18 said:
I just don't buy it. Tennessee literally messes everything up.
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well in this case "Tennessee messing it up" would look like this....

The NCAA brings the hammer down and gives UT a ban or reduces scholarships. The university has to hire a new coaching staff knowing they cant go to the SEC championship or a bowl game so we get another sh!t coach.
 
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sjt18 said:
Change the market.

It got this way somehow.... it isn't written into law. It can be changed. I would offer more money and allow for a lower buyout if a coach fails to win more than 5 games in 2 seasons out of 4. So maybe at this point we would be talking about Pruitt's buyout being $2-3 million rather than what it is.

On the other side, load the contract with incentives and bonuses for success and even progress.... maybe more specific things like improvements in total O, total D, scoring O, and scoring D.

The way the market currently works penalizes programs who don't have their "Saban". It protects the guys getting paid millions TOO much and the stakeholders in the program too little.
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Jimmy Sexton and other agents would like to say, "My client isn't entertaining deals of that nature. Here's my card, please feel free to contact me with further offers. It's been a great meeting, but I believe we're done here."

There's zero incentive for a coach to take that kind of deal when they can get a better deal elsewhere.

Pipe dream. And put down the pipe.
 
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Has anyone seen anything from the university other than the announcement they had hired a law firm. All I have seen are articles quoting unamed sources.
 
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SmileyVol_c/o_10 said:
Arkansas' AD got a contract done with Pittman that was very University friendly. Pittman is paid $3 mill/ year with incentives of $200k per win over 6. He has a non SEC compete clause written in basically saying that he won't leave for another school in the conference. Also on the buyout:
"If the Razorbacks fire him for convenience during the five-year term, the UA would owe him 75% of his remaining annual pay as long as the team wins 50% or more of its games. If the Razorbacks win less than 50% of their games and Pittman is fired, the UA would owe him 50% of his remaining annual pay."
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Seems pretty normal for a guy who's never been a head coach before. I think Pruitt is only owed 60% of his pay if he is fired regardless of how many games UT wins.
 
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SmileyVol_c/o_10 said:
Arkansas' AD got a contract done with Pittman that was very University friendly. Pittman is paid $3 mill/ year with incentives of $200k per win over 6. He has a non SEC compete clause written in basically saying that he won't leave for another school in the conference. Also on the buyout:
"If the Razorbacks fire him for convenience during the five-year term, the UA would owe him 75% of his remaining annual pay as long as the team wins 50% or more of its games. If the Razorbacks win less than 50% of their games and Pittman is fired, the UA would owe him 50% of his remaining annual pay."
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Politely, Arkansas also got Pittman.

He'll sign that because if he's wants to be a HC, he'll have to sign that. Other coaches aren't Pittman and won't sign that deal.
 
#125
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shane80 said:
If they are going to go this far. They should go ahead and fire Pruitt and move on. The administration is killing our football program.
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He will not be fired unless:

1. UT can fire him with cause
2. The NCAA forces UT to fire him
 
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