Is Pruitt a top 10 coach and recruiter?

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VolTexas said:
Yes he, they, are. Look at NFL salaries for Pruitt and Chaney recruited and developed players.

Ramsey 23 million over 4 years
Gurley 57 million over 4 years
Brees 50 million over 2 years
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You're going back over 20 years for Brees; ????
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Right now he's cracking the top 10 in the SEC, up from 13th earlier in the season.

Looking at the SEC, is he better than Mullen? Saban? Ogre? Malzahn? Smart? Fisher? All those guys are vastly more accomplished and are recruiting better than Pruitt, can't see any argument to suggest he's a better coach or recruiter than any of them. Is he better than Dabo? Better than Franklin? Better than Riley? Better than Peterson? Better than Brian Kelly? Harbaugh? Herman? Brown? I could keep going on this list for a while. Pruitt might, if we're really lucky, join the ranks of top 20/25 coaches in the country. Right now he's not even close.
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Better than Morris, Mason, Muschamp, Stoops, Odom, Moorhead, and Luke for sure. Obviously not in the same league with Mullen, Smart, Saban and Oregeron at this point. But, imho, he’s definitely top half of the conference the last 5 weeks of the season.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Finishing the season 7-3 will not neagate the first 2 losses, it also will not propel Pruitt into the 'top 10' of current coaches, no matter how much you want it to.

Pruitt's defense couldn't contain an offense led by a WR turned QB who only attempted 7 passed the entire game. We were 1 bad play from losing to Kentucky, that's not 'top 10' coaching no matter how low you set the bar.
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Wrong on all counts
 
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BeardedVol said:
Since when is screwing around in the first half of the game, and adjusting at halftime indicative of a 'top 10' coach?
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How is it not? Fulmer didn’t and some say he was. I am giving Pruitt the latitude to show his coaching ability. I watched and thought there might be some adjustments at halftime. I never thought that under Fulmer or Butch. Bama made some halftime adjustments, and if I recall Pruitt worked for Saban. I am cautiously optimistic.
 
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08Vol said:
Probably not. He may grow into an elite coach but most 1st time coaches don’t win big at schools like UT. A huge thing about elite head coaches is their staff. Top coaches take their staff with them when they change schools for a reason. Pruitt needed to be a G5 HC first to build up a staff. We’ve already seen this issue rear it’s ugly head. His 1st OC had never been the sole OC at a school and didn’t even make it a year. He was forced to over pay for his replacement. He tried to be a DC and HC but realized that didn’t work. His response was to hire a 1st year DC in year 2. These staff stumbles can be covered up at the G5 level with a few star players (Dobbs and Hurd hid Butch’s flaws to a degree).

I see Kirby as the exception. This is mainly due to Saban grooming him to be Bama’s HC for years. When Kirby left Bama he took a lot of Bama’s assistant coaches with him.
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Kirby? I live in GA and DawgNation was ready to fire Kirby after Season 1. Saban DID step in and told him, “Here’s how you transition from DC to HC.”
 
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I think to BE something you have to DO that thing.

So to BE a top 10 coach, CJP has to ACCOMPLISH a top 10 result.

We're not there yet, ladies and gents. Signs are very positive in the back half of this season, but we're still just an (at best) 7-5 team with a chance to beat another 7-5 or 8-4 team in a bowl.

Pruitt's report card in the intangibles is looking like this for me:
-- leadership B+
-- staff management A
-- recruiting B
-- development A
-- planning (playbook, game planning) A
-- execution (gameday coaching, game management) A-
-- communication C+
-- ancillary duties (representing the university, etc) INCOMPLETE (don't know, plus who cares, really, other than the chancellor and president)

But see, that's all intangibles. None of it can be proven. Your opinion might be vastly different than mine on any of these, and we could argue them all week without either of us changing our mind much.

So you gotta go back to one thing: walking the walk.

When we're in the Top 10, then Jeremy will be a Top 10 coach. Until then, he's not. And I bet he'd agree 100%.

Go Vols!
 
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BeardedVol said:
Finishing the season 7-3 will not neagate the first 2 losses, it also will not propel Pruitt into the 'top 10' of current coaches, no matter how much you want it to.

Pruitt's defense couldn't contain an offense led by a WR turned QB who only attempted 7 passed the entire game. We were 1 bad play from losing to Kentucky, that's not 'top 10' coaching no matter how low you set the bar.
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Our defense did great the last 3 quarters by shutting down Kentucky’s scoring. 327 yds allowed would place us 25th in avg yards allowed. 13 pts avg allowed would place us in 8th place. It doesn’t matter if it was unbalanced rushing vs passing. What counts is total yards and total points allowed. Gutsy performance by the defense , one of the best in a long time. Kudos to the defense because their performance won the game for us. You and the few others who want to dwell on GA State are flat out pessimistic and I bet just miserable, unhappy people in general. The rest of our fans are moving on now and looking forward to good things happening with the football program.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Our defense did great the last 3 quarters by shutting down Kentucky’s scoring. 327 yds allowed would place us 25th in avg yards allowed. 13 pts avg allowed would place us in 8th place. It doesn’t matter if it was unbalanced rushing vs passing. What counts is total yards and total points allowed. Gutsy performance by the defense , one of the best in a long time. Kudos to the defense because their performance won the game for us. You and the few others who want to dwell on GA State are flat out pessimistic and I bet just miserable, unhappy people in general. The rest of our fans are moving on now and looking forward to good things happening with the football program.
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And it's still not a 'top 10' coaching job, no matter how much you want it to be. Pruitt winning out will be a sign of improvement, it will not negate his coaching failures in the first half of the season, nor propel him into the realm of 'top 10' college coaches at the end of the season.
 
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beamerman said:
How is it not? Fulmer didn’t and some say he was. I am giving Pruitt the latitude to show his coaching ability. I watched and thought there might be some adjustments at halftime. I never thought that under Fulmer or Butch. Bama made some halftime adjustments, and if I recall Pruitt worked for Saban. I am cautiously optimistic.
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Top 10 coaches don't rotate offensive linemen all the way into the 5th game of the season because they and the staff they have chosen can't figure out the best lineup. Top 10 coaches don't lose to the likes of Georgia State in the home opener. Top 10 coaches don't struggle in the first half against every P5 opponent they face, regardless of talent.

It's really that simple.

The jury is still out on whether or not Pruitt is going to successfully transition from a DC to a HC while at UT, but it is apparent that the moment he is not a 'top 10' coach in any fashion outside of conference ranking.
 
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BeardedVol said:
And it's still not a 'top 10' coaching job, no matter how much you want it to be. Pruitt winning out will be a sign of improvement, it will not negate his coaching failures in the first half of the season, nor propel him into the realm of 'top 10' college coaches at the end of the season.
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What coaching failures, name them? Do you believe Saban is top ten ? What record would he have if coaching Tn with the exact same players and the inferior Qb play at the beginning of the season ?
 
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J/Psi Meson said:
I see no evidence this is the case which does not bode well for the future.

Top 25 perhaps? Is this what we settle for in the future?
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You ever tried to sell a 2001 Saturn that’s been wrecked 3 times, to a guy that has 10 other people trying to sell 2018 camero’s to him?
If not then why don’t you wait until he’s selling something close to the same before you jump to conclusions?
A better question, do you think you”ll ever post anything worth reading or should I just put you on ignore right now?
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
What coaching failures, name them? Do you believe Saban is top ten ? What record would he have if coaching Tn with the exact same players and the inferior Qb play at the beginning of the season ?
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What coaching failures? The entire Georgia State and BYU games? The defensive line not even being able to line up properly until game 4? Not being able to figure out an oline until game 5?

Those are coaching failures. SMH, volsheimers is real, and the cause is directly related to "winning".

Christ if you set the bar low enough, and disregard all of their coaching mistakes, outside of Chad Morris, Chris Ash, and Willie Taggart, which coaches wouldn't be "top 10“?
 
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According to so many, boy butch was the greatest recruiter they ever saw! Many wanted to put a big bronze of boy butch in front of Neyland, with the caption, "Greatest Recruiter...." In Fact, I heard for years (many on this very board), how great a recruiter boy butch was...yet we all know how that worked out. I'm not sure being a great recruiter can be judged by the number of stars a coach gets to sign, but rather how well those guys play over the next 4-5 years; therefore I don't believe Pruitt has been HC long enough to really judge the quality of his recruits (you know, where it actually counts, on the field). I don't think UT will be ranked in the top 25 at the start of next season, but, Pruitt has the opportunity to help us climb back into being a relevant force in the SEC-next year. I know we've all heard, Next Year, so often it sounds like BS, but if Pruitt is up to it, we should be in the top 25 by mid-season.
 
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This year we had a new OC and DC to go with our 2nd year HC. He's learning how to be the head so it will take time. On top of that we only have 65 or so scholarship players. Be patient and I firmly believe JP will be a high quality HC.
 
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I'm late to the party, but yes. First 2 games were a flop, and I have my questions about why we didn't blitz more the first half vs KY. Otherwise, he's had these boys ready to play. They don't quit, and pur defense has held a shut-out how many quarters? Something we haven't been able to claim in a long time. He has an eye for talent, and knows how to coach up and get the best put of his players. For a new head coach, I think we're in good hands. Once we get another recruiting class or 2, we'll be pretty dangerous. You could make the argument that we've said this for years now, but I was never one the previous coaches band-wagons. Especially Jones. I know damn well Dobbs and co. saved his ass way longer than he deserved to be here.
 
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Proud Army Wife said:
I'm late to the party, but yes. First 2 games were a flop, and I have my questions about why we didn't blitz more the first half vs KY. Otherwise, he's had these boys ready to play. They don't quit, and pur defense has held a shut-out how many quarters? Something we haven't been able to claim in a long time. He has an eye for talent, and knows how to coach up and get the best put of his players. For a new head coach, I think we're in good hands. Once we get another recruiting class or 2, we'll be pretty dangerous. You could make the argument that we've said this for years now, but I was never one the previous coaches band-wagons. Especially Jones. I know damn well Dobbs and co. saved his ass way longer than he deserved to be here.
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No clue why my phone keeps putting "put" instead of"out" 😠
 
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BeardedVol said:
What coaching failures? The entire Georgia State and BYU games? The defensive line not even being able to line up properly until game 4? Not being able to figure out an oline until game 5?

Those are coaching failures. SMH, volsheimers is real, and the cause is directly related to "winning".

Christ if you set the bar low enough, and disregard all of their coaching mistakes, outside of Chad Morris, Chris Ash, and Willie Taggart, which coaches wouldn't be "top 10“?
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You examples are general and you did not answer my question about Saban coaching with the same players and if you consider Saban a top 10 coach. I believe your statement should have been TN is not a top 10 program instead of singling our Pruitt. Pruitt has 63 scholarship players. He had mediocre Qb play which directly contributed to the first 2 losses. You are completely lost in your analysis of the defense in the Kentucky game. Pruitt may have the youngest team of all the SEC teams. But with all this which Pruitt inherited , you single out Pruitt. I have not seen many Volnation members who steadfastly bring as much negativity to a valuable win yesterday and a program that is getting noticed by the college football world as you.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
You examples are general and you did not answer my question about Saban coaching with the same players and if you consider Saban a top 10 coach. I believe your statement should have been TN is not a top 10 program instead of singling our Pruitt. Pruitt has 63 scholarship players. He had mediocre Qb play which directly contributed to the first 2 losses. You are completely lost in your analysis of the defense in the Kentucky game. Pruitt may have the youngest team of all the SEC teams. But with all this which Pruitt inherited , you single out Pruitt. I have not seen many Volnation members who steadfastly bring as much negativity to a valuable win yesterday and a program that is getting noticed by the college football world as you.
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What does a hypothetical scenario where Saban coaches UT in 2019 have anything to do with Pruitt being a "top 10" coach?

How does a 4-point win over a Kentucky team with a converted receiver as QB, who had 25 passing yards but still managed 21 1st downs, 7-15 on 3rd downs, and 41.5 minutes of possession, turn into some indication of coaching genius on Pruitt's part?

We're talking "top 10" level coaching or not, and you're setting the bar at "participation trophy" level for Pruitt because "we are Tennessee“.
 
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BeardedVol said:
What does a hypothetical scenario where Saban coaches UT in 2019 have anything to do with Pruitt being a "top 10" coach?

How does a 4-point win over a Kentucky team with a converted receiver as QB, who had 25 passing yards but still managed 21 1st downs, 7-15 on 3rd downs, and 41.5 minutes of possession, turn into some indication of coaching genius on Pruitt's part?

We're talking "top 10" level coaching or not, and you're setting the bar at "participation trophy" level for Pruitt because "we are Tennessee“.
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That converted Wr/Qb had averaged 150 yards rushing the last 3 games with an unconventional option offense that had not be used in that manner for 20 years plus. Again I must emphasize that you are completely lost in your analysis of the Kentucky game and the extraordinary adjustments the coaching staff made in order to shut down Kentucky’s scoring. 13 points, 13 points, 13 points’ How in the world can you still complain about Pruitt’s coaching and the defense’s overall performance in this game. When are you going to join the rest of Volnation and rejoice in the turnaround from the 0-2 start.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
That converted Wr/Qb had averaged 150 yards rushing the last 3 games with an unconventional option offense that had not be used in that manner for 20 years plus. Again I must emphasize that you are completely lost in your analysis of the Kentucky game and the extraordinary adjustments the coaching staff made in order to shut down Kentucky’s scoring. 13 points, 13 points, 13 points’ How in the world can you still complain about Pruitt’s coaching and the defense’s overall performance in this game. When are you going to join the rest of Volnation and rejoice in the turnaround from the 0-2 start.
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Yeah...the discussion is "top 10" coach or not. I've given you plenty of examples of his coaching that is not indicitave of a "top 10" coach, you can choose to close your eyes and pretend they didn't occur or not, that's up to you. The Kentucky game is another example, it was not an example of "top 10“, or even particularly good coaching by Pruitt.

I'm glad we won, I hope that Pruitt can improve going forward, but I don't believe anyone should crown him a paragon of coaching prowess because of the Kentucky game.
 
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