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MercyPercy said:
Ah jeez, you're no fun. At least dig through my post history to find something after the fact so you can save some face after mouthing off.
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OK just for fun...your post of a Philly No Kings crowd (probably AI enhanced) and claiming it was a view of the Outer Banks. Then when I questioned the veracity, you posted a long AI-paragraph explaining why I might be geographically illiterate. I actually gave you a like for that one.

Edit: I confused Mercy with Monty...I have no historical beef with @MercyPercy.
 
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VAVol85 said:
OK just for fun...your post of a Philly No Kings crowd (probably AI enhanced) and claiming it was a view of the Outer Banks. Then when I questioned the veracity, you posted a long AI-paragraph explaining why I meet be geographically illiterate. I actually gave you a like for that one.
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I think you're getting me mixed up with someone else, friend. The only pictures I post on this board are fish, usually.
 
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VAVol85 said:
OK just for fun...your post of a Philly No Kings crowd (probably AI enhanced) and claiming it was a view of the Outer Banks. Then when I questioned the veracity, you posted a long AI-paragraph explaining why I might be geographically illiterate. I actually gave you a like for that one.
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Lol… that was Monty…
 
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VAVol85 said:
I suggested that we should focus on the well-being of the pilot instead of whether Iran got credit for a takedown - a legitimate take.
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@Persian Vol's comment wasn't about "whether Iran got credit for a takedown," but about an Orwellian euphemism employed in the propagandistic article to which he replied.
 
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DuckInAPen said:
@Persian Vol's comment wasn't about "whether Iran got credit for a takedown," but about an Orwellian euphemism employed in the propagandistic article to which he replied.
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It seemed an inappropriate comment while one pilot was in the water and another two missing. But, I always enjoy your prose and vocabulary.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
Only thing comical is extreme liberals and extreme conservatives believing what they see from CNN and Fox News. Rich people don’t give 2 ***** about normal working class people and that goes for the left and the right. Kamala Harris would have us in this garbage too and you’d be throwing a fit about it while the left tries and defends it. Tribalism at its finest
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What do you consider “rich”?
 
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VAVol85 said:
It seemed an inappropriate comment while one pilot was in the water and another two missing. But, I always enjoy your prose and vocabulary.
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If you think what I said was appropriate, then I am curious to your thoughts on the several posters here who are insinuating scorched earth policies on Iranian civilians.
 
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Persian Vol said:
If you think what I said was appropriate, then I am curious to your thoughts on the several posters here who are insinuating scorched earth policies on Iranian civilians.
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I think those posts are horrible and I hope that those posters would reconsider when they think more carefully about them. I also think Trump is making a big mistake with all of the "bombing into the Stone Age" stuff. If infrastructure does not contribute directly to the military effort it should be left alone. My hope for Iran is that the political branch of their leadership trinity eventually wins out and that in the future the political leadership becomes more responsive to the populace.
 
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VAVol85 said:
It seemed an inappropriate comment while one pilot was in the water and another two missing.
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I share (and I'm sure @Persian Vol shares) your concern for the safety of our downed pilots. Many of us believe, however, that the greatest support we can show our men and women in uniform is to ensure that they are put in harm's way only for a moral purpose necessary to the defense of our country. It seems clear to many of us that the president has sent American troops to war without a plausible justification and without a clear and achievable goal. From this perspective, to oppose propaganda for this "excursion" (as the president has styled it) is to support our troops.
 
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DuckInAPen said:
I share (and I'm sure @Persian Vol shares) your concern for the safety of our downed pilots. Many of us believe, however, that the greatest support we can show our men and women in uniform is to ensure that they are put in harm's way only for a moral purpose necessary to the defense of our country. It seems clear to many of us that the president has sent American troops to war without a plausible justification and without a clear and achievable goal. From this perspective, to oppose propaganda for this "excursion" (as the president has styled it) is to support our troops.
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Understood. Earlier today, we had just learned of the downing of the F15 and the crash of the A10. The foremost thought in my mind was the scene almost exactly 20 years ago of Iraqi insurgents dragging the dead body of one of our pilots through a field. It seemed to me that the general attitude on this thread was more focused on scoring political points around the downed plane than concern for the pilots. The comment by @Persian Vol just caught my attention more than some others, but I understand your explanation that it may well have been an objection to Pentagon-speak.

There is nothing wrong or unpatriotic about opposition to a particular war effort and people should definitely express their opinions in the hope that our country's collective wisdom will point us in the right direction. But, I thought at the time, and still do, that a respectful pause in the rhetoric and an expression of concern for the pilots was appropriate.

Regarding your broader point, in my opinion, the President was faced with the choice of (1) military action now when Iran is relatively weak or (2) the acceptance of a future nuclear Iran and probably a Middle East nuclear arms race. Both outcomes are bad. The course that the President chose if it leads to the overthrow of the IRGC will probably save future lives, including US lives and lead to a more peaceful Middle East, thus meeting the test of a moral purpose. I agree with you that this rationale has been poorly articulated. I further think that the incendiary language from the President, particularly the threats to civilian infrastructure, may undermine any hopes of a positive outcome.

I generally like to end a post with an hopeful comment, but at the moment it is a dark time.
 
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VAVol85 said:
OK just for fun...your post of a Philly No Kings crowd (probably AI enhanced) and claiming it was a view of the Outer Banks. Then when I questioned the veracity, you posted a long AI-paragraph explaining why I might be geographically illiterate. I actually gave you a like for that one.

Edit: I confused Mercy with Monty...I have no historical beef with @MercyPercy.
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Monty is the long-winded AI poster.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
Blowing up schools killing children, blowing up bridges sounds like terrorism to me. We think they’re terrorists and they think we are. Both are correct.
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There is collateral and then there is intentional- like sending children into mine fields and drafting 12 year olds. A bridge is a legitimate target for several reasons. That school was not intentional--bad intelligence or targeting issue with ordance.
 
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Redleg68 said:
There is collateral and then there is intentional- like sending children into mine fields and drafting 12 year olds. A bridge is a legitimate target for several reasons. That school was not intentional--bad intelligence or targeting issue with ordance.
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If someone double-tapped the Golden Gate Bridge, especially when it wasn't even operational, I'm not sure we would call it legitimate


 
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