Iran

[hog88]

I am surprised jet fuel was cheaper per gallon than gasoline.

It doesn’t make sense considering diesel is and has been higher than gasoline for a long time. And kerosene is higher than both

 

[Sea Ray]

Nope. You said they “hate Jews”. I asked you if it might be possible that US/ Israel shared some blame for their hatred of Israel, since they really don’t just seem to simply hate Jews.

No, your comment was much more vague than that. You referred to "the current situation". I assumed that meant the war. Now you're defining it as "hatred of Israel". That's not so much the current situation. It's been that way for 50 years or more

 

[sonofUT62]

No, your comment was much more vague than that. You referred to "the current situation". I assumed that meant the war. Now you're defining it as "hatred of Israel". That's not so much the current situation. It's been that way for 50 years or more

1- I was addressing another poster who said that people didn’t believe the Iranians when they said death to America. Thats the current situation that was being referenced. You interjected yourself into the conversation which is fine, but don’t tell me what i meant.

2- you made a kind of broad strokes comment about Iranians hating Jews. I politely advised you that’s not true and now you’re trying to back away from it by telling me what I did or didn’t say. I know what was said. I was there.

 

[Sea Ray]

Yes or no. Do the US and Israel bear any responsibility for the current situation?

This was a post of yours directed to me. It didn't involve any other poster here on VN

I'm not telling you what you meant. I'm saying your words were so vague, I had to guess what you meant. Be more specific and we won't have that problem

 

[Tin Man]

Again, if the US and Israel have complete air superiority over Iran, how are the Iranians able to continue firing ballistic missiles and drones, hitting targets across the Middle East? Why aren’t they’re weapons locations being spotted and destroyed as the weapons are deployed? Is there not a complete intelligence overview of Iran via satellites, drones, et al?

I am frustrated with the communication to the American people about this military campaign. Iran’s military capabilities do not appear to be “obliterated,” “devastated,” or “made ineffective.”

 

[volfanhill]

Nm

 

[sonofUT62]

This was a post of yours directed to me. It didn't involve any other poster here on VN

I'm not telling you what you meant. I'm saying your words were so vague, I had to guess what you meant. Be more specific and we won't have that problem

Or I’ll just ignore you when you respond to a conversation that doesn’t involve you. I don’t really want to do that because you’re a polite person. But you’re not going to lecture me about what I meant. If there’s anything that was discussed that you would like to comment on then now is your time.

 

[ButchPlz]

Again, if the US and Israel have complete air superiority over Iran, how are the Iranians able to continue firing ballistic missiles and drones, hitting targets across the Middle East? Why aren’t they’re weapons locations being spotted and destroyed as the weapons are deployed? Is there not a complete intelligence overview of Iran via satellites, drones, et al?

I am frustrated with the communication to the American people about this military campaign. Iran’s military capabilities do not appear to be “obliterated,” “devastated,” or “made ineffective.”

If their navy is gone, why is the strait closed? If their leadership is totally obliterated, how are they still organized enough to be pumping out propaganda? If their missile capacity is eliminated, how are they still hitting Israel and other targets around?

 

[Orangeslice13]

Weak ass ****** populace.

Where only half the people vote and roughly 20% are educated enough to cast a vote

 

[Sea Ray]

Or I’ll just ignore you when you respond to a conversation that doesn’t involve you. I don’t really want to do that because you’re a polite person. But you’re not going to lecture me about what I meant. If there’s anything that was discussed that you would like to comment on then now is your time.

I'm going to repeat myself: I don't know what you meant. Therefore I'm not lecturing you on what you meant. I didn't know due to the vagueness so I had to guess. Only you can know what you meant

Back to the subject at hand...a big difference between Israel and Iran is that Iran does not support Israel's right to exist. Iran has threatened to wipe Israel off the map. Neither our country or Israel has threatened to wipe Iran off the map. A country that thinks that way cannot be allowed to possess nuclear weapons.

My question to you: Israel and the USA have said that it's unacceptable for Iran to possess nukes. Do you agree or are you one of those people who say "if the USA and Israel have nukes then it's only fair if Iran has them too"?

 

[Sea Ray]

If their navy is gone, why is the strait closed? If their leadership is totally obliterated, how are they still organized enough to be pumping out propaganda? If their missile capacity is eliminated, how are they still hitting Israel and other targets around?

They can still mine the Strait and fire missiles at oil tankers. This doesn't involve a Navy

 

[Orangeslice13]

And just like that "personal responsibility" goes out the window.

I agree on one part though, Biden should have just said everything Trump negotiated will not be adhered to because it was a moronic deal, and we'll remove US troops on a logical time frame.

agreed. Biden **** the bed on the Afghanistan withdrawal.
Trump is shifting the bed now with his handling of Iran.

Arguing against either of those facts would be moronic

 

[BeardedVol]

agreed. Biden **** the bed on the Afghanistan withdrawal.
Trump is shifting the bed now with his handling of Iran.

Arguing against either of those facts would be moronic

Lol still can't remember who was president in 2020, can you?

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Outside of an invasion of North America there will never be another draft.

My point was to see if people were as gung-ho over potential Israeli manipulation of our politicians and sketchy intelligence when it was their own kids that could be sent over there. Since I didn't have a War and Peace length response, I got my answer....

 

[LouderVol]

We should at least leave them 7 billion dollars worth of weapons like we did the talaban

according to Trump they started this war with our Tomahawks. so maybe he was playing some of that 4D chess already.

 

[EasternVol]

I am surprised jet fuel was cheaper per gallon than gasoline.

It’s basically kerosene refined a little more and with some additives.

 

[EasternVol]

They can still mine the Strait and fire missiles at oil tankers. This doesn't involve a Navy

How are the mines put in place with no navy?

 

[McDad]

It’s basically kerosene refined a little more and with some additives.

It is.

 

[Sea Ray]

How are the mines put in place with no navy?

Now you're getting into the weeds of military strategy. It appears that they can be dropped from the air or by unconventional boats

Mines are deployed using a number of different vehicles. Certain conventional surface vessels, like war ships or patrol boats, feature mine laying capabilities. Depending on the size of the mine itself, some unconventional craft (e.g., smaller fishing boats) can deploy mines. Mines can also be dropped into the water via air, through either fixed or rotary wing aircraft. Submarines can use their torpedo tubes to lay some mines as well.

Strait of Hormuz - Mines - The Strauss Center

Flexible, relatively cheap and historically effective, military forces deploy naval mines at various water depths, in both defensive and offensive situations. Defensively, military forces deploy mines to discourage undesired entrance into territorial waters. Offensively, mines are deployed to...

www.strausscenter.org

 

[Sea Ray]

Again, if the US and Israel have complete air superiority over Iran, how are the Iranians able to continue firing ballistic missiles and drones, hitting targets across the Middle East? Why aren’t they’re weapons locations being spotted and destroyed as the weapons are deployed? Is there not a complete intelligence overview of Iran via satellites, drones, et al?

I am frustrated with the communication to the American people about this military campaign. Iran’s military capabilities do not appear to be “obliterated,” “devastated,” or “made ineffective.”

They have mobile rocket launchers that can appear out of nowhere

 

[EasternVol]

Now you're getting into the weeds of military strategy. It appears that they can be dropped from the air or by unconventional boats

Strait of Hormuz - Mines - The Strauss Center

Flexible, relatively cheap and historically effective, military forces deploy naval mines at various water depths, in both defensive and offensive situations. Defensively, military forces deploy mines to discourage undesired entrance into territorial waters. Offensively, mines are deployed to...

www.strausscenter.org

Supposedly they don’t have an air force any more either. Boats doing military stuff means navy. So probably they have some navy left.

 

[sonofUT62]

I'm going to repeat myself: I don't know what you meant. Therefore I'm not lecturing you on what you meant. I didn't know due to the vagueness so I had to guess. Only you can know what you meant

Back to the subject at hand...a big difference between Israel and Iran is that Iran does not support Israel's right to exist. Iran has threatened to wipe Israel off the map. Neither our country or Israel has threatened to wipe Iran off the map. A country that thinks that way cannot be allowed to possess nuclear weapons.

My question to you: Israel and the USA have said that it's unacceptable for Iran to possess nukes. Do you agree or are you one of those people who say "if the USA and Israel have nukes then it's only fair if Iran has them too"?

I don’t personally want them to have nukes. I don’t think a nuclear Iran is one of the top 3 problems in the Middle East/ SW Asia area. I would rather the Iranians have them than the Saudis. But we’ve created a self fulfilling prophecy. They DONT have Nukes and are now in a situation that they would never be facing if they did.

 

[Sea Ray]

I don’t personally want them to have nukes. I don’t think a nuclear Iran is one of the top 3 problems in the Middle East/ SW Asia area. I would rather the Iranians have them than the Saudis. But we’ve created a self fulfilling prophecy. They DONT have Nukes and are now in a situation that they would never be facing if they did.

They don’t have nukes because we bombed them now and in June last summer

 

[Tin Man]

They have mobile rocket launchers that can appear out of nowhere

If there are eyes in the sky covering the entire country, then these should be spotted as they’re deployed, targeted, and destroyed, as should be the “nowheres” from which they came.

 

[hog88]

Supposedly they don’t have an air force any more either. Boats doing military stuff means navy. So probably they have some navy left.

Lloyds of London and other insurers have closed the straights. All Iran had to do was make the threat.