Iran

[Smokey123]

It's my daughters friend group but I don't think any of them own a house and it's because they don't want to be tied down.

Millennial or Gen Z? I think that definitely plays a role. Value experiences more than saving money. A lot just don’t have a desire to buy one in general

 

[ButchPlz]

That is the most irrelevant point possible in response to my post. I'm doing great actually, I have this thing called concern for our future generations.

F*** man, I care about what happens to my friends right now.

 

[LouderVol]

I know pipelines are evil is a narrative in America. Keystone for example. But moving oil through a pipeline is far better than via ships, or trains, or trucks. Even without the geopolitical concerns.

I think the issue here is the relative short distance of pipeline vs the logistics of off loading - piping - storing - loading back onto a ship

adds a bunch of time, and the "risk" of the two offloads isn't offset by a great distance bypassed.

usually pipelines make transportation simpler, and thus they make sense. but here I think it really only makes sense during war with Iran.

 

[BeardedVol]

Wait wait wait. Household income is only part of the equation here. I think our point before was about single incomes buying houses. How do we look at that?

NAR 2025 Profile of Home Buyers, Sellers Reveals Market Extremes

NAR’s 2025 Profile of Home Buyers and Sellers report reveals the leading and emerging forces in the housing market.

www.nar.realtor

 

[hog88]

To live what you are classifying as a decent comfortable life 25-30 years ago were two incomes required?

In our case since our combined income was around $60k it absolutely required 2 incomes and that was with penny pinching. If I alone made $60k back then we could have lived even more comfortably since we wouldn't have had to pay for daycare, wife to have a car and ext. If the wife didn't have student loans we wouldn't have had to squeeze the life out of every penny.

 

[LouderVol]

The Soviet Union collapsed because Reagan militarily spent them under the table. They destroyed themselves all it took was the threat of Star Wars.

the reason the soviets didn't have money to keep up with Star Wars, vs all the other proxy wars, space race, and other tit for tat spending, was because the Chinese weren't in their back pocket, like they had been in the past.

you can go look at the USSRs income and see a noticeable change in trajectory a few years after Nixon visited China.

 

[utvolpj]

If they had a bomb they would use it, they have said it and proven it over and over. They are a death cult. It's pretty hard to reason with a suicide bomber.

Come on man. Did Hitler announce his plans for Europe when he was negotiating with Neville Chamberlain?(He did in Mein Kampf). Taking lying terrorist at face value is foolish and dangerous.

You made the claim they've said it I was just asking. Evidently they haven't said it but you just know it to be true. So we should bomb them continuously for how long?

 

[hog88]

Millennial or Gen Z? I think that definitely plays a role. Value experiences more than saving money. A lot just don’t have a desire to buy one in general

1994 so she's on the dividing line between the two

 

[85SugarVol]

Understand why you are coming to those conclusions. But I think it is very premature to make those declarations. Lot of time left for Gen Z and Millennials for QOL determinations.

Every generation thinks the generation that came before them “had it easier”. Every generation thinks the one coming behind it is “lazy and entitled”.

It’s the exact same song and dance, with a new set of actors.

It’s like Luther proclaiming that young people are progressive, and are about to flip the political landscape - it’s been that way for 80 years now… the country should be 90% Blue. It’s not.

Gen Z will be just fine.
Gen Alpha will talk about how easy Z had it.
Gen Z will tell Alpha to stop being stupid.

Eventually Alpha will get it together, and they’ll be just fine too.

Rinse. Repeat.

 

[ButchPlz]

Every generation thinks the generation that came before them “had it easier”. Every generation thinks the one coming behind it is “lazy and entitled”.

It’s the exact same song and dance, with a new set of actors.

It’s like Luther proclaiming that young people are progressive, and are about to flip the political landscape - it’s been that way for 80 years now… the country should be 90% Blue. It’s not.

Gen Z will be just fine.
Gen Alpha will talk about how easy Z had it.
Gen Z will tell Alpha to stop being stupid.

Eventually Alpha will get it together, and they’ll be just fine too.

Rinse. Repeat.

You can't see a fundamental difference in the world and government of the last 25 years compared to prior generations?


....ok.

 

[volfanhill]

"According to the New York Times, quoting unnamed US officials and others familiar with the initial findings, the investigation has concluded that the strike on 28 February on the Shajarah Tayyebeh elementary school building was the result of a targeting mistake by the US military planners."

US responsible for deadly missile strike on Iran school, preliminary inquiry says

Strike that killed at least 175 people, most of them children, reportedly the result of a targeting mistake by US military planners

www.theguardian.com

 

[NashVol11]

100%. Called the attack on the school intentional, believes our navy could end up “at the bottom of the sea”, compared going into the strait of Hormuz to D-Day, and believes they’re currently winning the war. Also believes the current Ayatollah may live for 37 years or more

He won’t admit it, but he’s cheering for them.

None of those things are cheering, you are being "creative" with the truth as usual

 

[NashVol11]

Oh I’m sure you would argue, it would make you feel better about disliking your country

No, the idea that we should just cheer on whatever the government says is antithetical to what we were literally founded upon, but good effort

 

[Ttucke11]

You’re comparing different things. You should account for that in your comparison. If households are smaller, that changes household income. If homes are larger today that changes home price. If more homes have central heat and air, etc it significantly changes things.

People today live better than they ever have in this country.

Youre so out of touch and bullheaded I actually admire it.

 

[Volbucky]

Where has Iran claimed to want a bomb and will use it once they get one?

Lol what an ignorant question.

 

[NashVol11]

You are even seeing it in this thread- looking for reasons to put the blame back on younger people.

It is the response every single time

 

[ButchPlz]

It is the response every single time

"They just want too much."

"They just don't work as hard."

"They just need to do what we did."

"They simply don't want what we wanted."

Have they ever asked why these things are the way they are?

 

[LouderVol]

Depending on the income, a family can live like kings one 1.

never had a clue what my dad made. I know it was considered a decent wage at the time, but we weren't rolling in it. based on the relative jobs that were held, I am assuming my dad was pretty mid-level to income of my friend/classmate dads, so that means there were plenty making less that made it work too.

There is no way I could afford my familys lifestyle on just my income. my wife and I have talked about how even if we both kept our incomes after kids, we wouldn't be able to afford my or her parents' lifestyle.

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

Let's do this math. I am interested. I agree with Tucke that wages haven't kept pace with inflation. But wages have always lagged inflation increases...at least that is my understanding.

Was your dad an operator on equipment or was he using a shovel?

It was my grandfather, and I’m not 100% sure. I don’t want to lie.

 

[NashVol11]

"They just want too much."

"They just don't work as hard."

"They just need to do what we did."

"They simply don't want what we wanted."

Have they ever asked why these things are the way they are?

Why do something that could lead to an uncomfortable reflection or conversation when you can simply say young people are too entitled? Much less effort

 

[LouderVol]

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NAR 2025 Profile of Home Buyers, Sellers Reveals Market Extremes

NAR’s 2025 Profile of Home Buyers and Sellers report reveals the leading and emerging forces in the housing market.

www.nar.realtor

woohoo I am one of the 9%, suck it odds.

 

[Vol8188]

None of those things are cheering, you are being "creative" with the truth as usual

He intentionally makes the decision to paint things as worse than are. That’s why he claims they’re winning. That’s why he claims we are attacking schools intentionally. He wants Iran to win so he can blame Trump

 

[Vol8188]

Youre so out of touch and bullheaded I actually admire it.

It’s called understanding data. You shouldn’t simply say “college grads make less!” without realizing the supply has changed. You shouldn’t simply say “household income to home price ratios have changed!” Without first acknowledging that both household size and home size has changed. Of course smaller households living in larger homes will change that ratio

It’s like when women cry about not making as much as men without including that they work less, work in less dangerous fields, etc

 

[NashVol11]

He intentionally makes the decision to paint things as worse than are. That’s why he claims they’re winning. That’s why he claims we are attacking schools intentionally. He wants Iran to win so he can blame Trump

You made that up. And at this point, after the bombing of an elementary school, blowing up an unarmed ship, black rain on civilians in Tehran, zero articulable reason for going to war and apparently zero plan for the incredibly predictable closing of the Strait of Hormuz, the odds of this war being a positive for Trump are slim to none almost regardless of what happens next. He doesn't need us to "lose" to criticize a thing that very few Americans wanted in the first place

 

[Ttucke11]

It’s called understanding data. You shouldn’t simply say “college grads make less!” without realizing the supply has changed. You shouldn’t simply say “household income to home price ratios have changed!” Without first acknowledging that both household size and home size has changed. Of course smaller households living in larger homes will change that ratio

It’s like when women cry about not making as much as men without including that they work less, work in less dangerous fields, etc

My man no set of data given by Jesus himself would convince you that the younger generations are in dire financial crisis. Youve made your mind up.

And I don't want to be rude, but you have quite an opinion of your intellect that just isn't matching reality.