Iran

[LouderVol]

The 90s

what? my parents made it work on 1 income all thru the 90s until the mid 2000s. pretty much none of my friend's moms worked, even when dad was blue collar. and I went to private school until college, so its not like the parents were living off of welfare to make ends meet.

 

[utvolpj]

That is the most irrelevant point possible in response to my post. I'm doing great actually, I have this thing called concern for our future generations.

Yeah you're losing at life if you care what happens to your kids. Loser

 

[ButchPlz]

Again, "two incomes" means nothing. Talk in dollars and a family of four could own a decent home and live comfortably (yeah that is subjective) off $80-100K in the counties I listed.

To live what you are classifying as a decent comfortable life 25-30 years ago were two incomes required?

 

[rikberry31]

Where has Iran claimed to want a bomb and will use it once they get one?

Come on man. Did Hitler announce his plans for Europe when he was negotiating with Neville Chamberlain?(He did in Mein Kampf). Taking lying terrorist at face value is foolish and dangerous. Iran has been untrustworthy in everything else but we can take they that they only want to make electricity, right.
Every action the Iranian regime was taking screamed they were furiously trying to get nukes. Their eggs were all in that basket.
Do other countries that produce nuclear power hide their enrichment facilities under mountains? Why did Iran do that? Because they did want their nuke program taken out by an Israeli airstrike, like it was before.

 

[hog88]

what? my parents made it work on 1 income all thru the 90s until the mid 2000s. pretty much none of my friend's moms worked, even when dad was blue collar. and I went to private school until college, so its not like the parents were living off of welfare to make ends meet.

Depending on the income, a family can live like kings one 1.

 

[Smokey123]

It's my daughters friend group but I don't think any of them own a house and it's because they don't want to be tied down.

Millennial or Gen Z? I think that definitely plays a role. Value experiences more than saving money. A lot just don’t have a desire to buy one in general

 

[ButchPlz]

That is the most irrelevant point possible in response to my post. I'm doing great actually, I have this thing called concern for our future generations.

F*** man, I care about what happens to my friends right now.

 

[LouderVol]

I know pipelines are evil is a narrative in America. Keystone for example. But moving oil through a pipeline is far better than via ships, or trains, or trucks. Even without the geopolitical concerns.

I think the issue here is the relative short distance of pipeline vs the logistics of off loading - piping - storing - loading back onto a ship

adds a bunch of time, and the "risk" of the two offloads isn't offset by a great distance bypassed.

usually pipelines make transportation simpler, and thus they make sense. but here I think it really only makes sense during war with Iran.

 

[Ttucke11]

I did. The supply of college graduates is greater today than in the 90s. So when you do a comparison on what a college graduates could afford in the 90s vs today, you have to factor that in because supply has a direct impact on wages.

You’re welcome

Once again irrelevant. You get into this stupid arguments based on semantics. I'll let the math talk. No matter how you dice it, it's much more difficult today. I'm sorry that hurts your feelings so badly.

Average household income
1960 $5,600
1980 $21,000
2000 $42,000
2026 $78,000

Average home cost
1960 $11,900
1980 $47,000
2000 $ 119,000
2026 $ 420,000

Income to price ratio
1960 2.1x
1980 2.2x
2000 2.8x
2026 5.4x

You're welcome. Once again, it's not an argument. Its a fact that younger generations financially have a much tougher time regardless of their financial acumen as base shelter and living costs are much higher than they were in previous decades when accounting for their actual spending power. Not an argument.

 

[BeardedVol]

Wait wait wait. Household income is only part of the equation here. I think our point before was about single incomes buying houses. How do we look at that?

NAR 2025 Profile of Home Buyers, Sellers Reveals Market Extremes

NAR’s 2025 Profile of Home Buyers and Sellers report reveals the leading and emerging forces in the housing market.

www.nar.realtor

 

[hog88]

To live what you are classifying as a decent comfortable life 25-30 years ago were two incomes required?

In our case since our combined income was around $60k it absolutely required 2 incomes and that was with penny pinching. If I alone made $60k back then we could have lived even more comfortably since we wouldn't have had to pay for daycare, wife to have a car and ext. If the wife didn't have student loans we wouldn't have had to squeeze the life out of every penny.

 

[LouderVol]

The Soviet Union collapsed because Reagan militarily spent them under the table. They destroyed themselves all it took was the threat of Star Wars.

the reason the soviets didn't have money to keep up with Star Wars, vs all the other proxy wars, space race, and other tit for tat spending, was because the Chinese weren't in their back pocket, like they had been in the past.

you can go look at the USSRs income and see a noticeable change in trajectory a few years after Nixon visited China.

 

[utvolpj]

If they had a bomb they would use it, they have said it and proven it over and over. They are a death cult. It's pretty hard to reason with a suicide bomber.

Come on man. Did Hitler announce his plans for Europe when he was negotiating with Neville Chamberlain?(He did in Mein Kampf). Taking lying terrorist at face value is foolish and dangerous.

You made the claim they've said it I was just asking. Evidently they haven't said it but you just know it to be true. So we should bomb them continuously for how long?

 

[hog88]

Millennial or Gen Z? I think that definitely plays a role. Value experiences more than saving money. A lot just don’t have a desire to buy one in general

1994 so she's on the dividing line between the two

 

[85SugarVol]

Understand why you are coming to those conclusions. But I think it is very premature to make those declarations. Lot of time left for Gen Z and Millennials for QOL determinations.

Every generation thinks the generation that came before them “had it easier”. Every generation thinks the one coming behind it is “lazy and entitled”.

It’s the exact same song and dance, with a new set of actors.

It’s like Luther proclaiming that young people are progressive, and are about to flip the political landscape - it’s been that way for 80 years now… the country should be 90% Blue. It’s not.

Gen Z will be just fine.
Gen Alpha will talk about how easy Z had it.
Gen Z will tell Alpha to stop being stupid.

Eventually Alpha will get it together, and they’ll be just fine too.

Rinse. Repeat.

 

[ButchPlz]

Every generation thinks the generation that came before them “had it easier”. Every generation thinks the one coming behind it is “lazy and entitled”.

It’s the exact same song and dance, with a new set of actors.

It’s like Luther proclaiming that young people are progressive, and are about to flip the political landscape - it’s been that way for 80 years now… the country should be 90% Blue. It’s not.

Gen Z will be just fine.
Gen Alpha will talk about how easy Z had it.
Gen Z will tell Alpha to stop being stupid.

Eventually Alpha will get it together, and they’ll be just fine too.

Rinse. Repeat.

You can't see a fundamental difference in the world and government of the last 25 years compared to prior generations?


....ok.

 

[Vol8188]

Once again irrelevant. You get into this stupid arguments based on semantics. I'll let the math talk. No matter how you dice it, it's much more difficult today. I'm sorry that hurts your feelings so badly.

Average household income
1960 $5,600
1980 $21,000
2000 $42,000
2026 $78,000

Average home cost
1960 $11,900
1980 $47,000
2000 $ 119,000
2026 $ 420,000

Income to price ratio
1960 2.1x
1980 2.2x
2000 2.8x
2026 5.4x

You're welcome. Once again, it's not an argument. Its a fact that younger generations financially have a much tougher time regardless of their financial acumen as base shelter and living costs are much higher than they were in previous decades when accounting for their actual spending power. Not an argument.

It’s not semantics at all. You’re now arguing a separate point. You were originally discussing college graduate earnings.

I pointed out the obvious that the supply of college graduates has changed significantly. Now you’re pivoting to another intentionally misleading point.

The reason this one is misleading is that “household” is not the same size as it was in 1960. Because when people are wealthier they live in smaller households.

What’s your next misleading stat you want to pivot to?

 

[Ttucke11]

It’s not semantics at all. You’re now arguing a separate point. You were originally discussing college graduate earnings.

I pointed out the obvious that the supply of college graduates has changed significantly. Now you’re pivoting to another intentionally misleading point.

The reason this one is misleading is that “household” is not the same size as it was in 1960. Because when people are wealthier they live in smaller households.

What’s your next misleading stat you want to pivot to?

Dude you're impossible. You give me the stats I'll show it's 2x harder. Both ways came to the same conclusion you just have a foot thick skull.

I gave you an individual out of college spending power. I gave you multiple generational examples of households spending power country wide. What example would you like that proves your point? I'm more into facts than your feelings.

 

[volfanhill]

"According to the New York Times, quoting unnamed US officials and others familiar with the initial findings, the investigation has concluded that the strike on 28 February on the Shajarah Tayyebeh elementary school building was the result of a targeting mistake by the US military planners."

US responsible for deadly missile strike on Iran school, preliminary inquiry says

Strike that killed at least 175 people, most of them children, reportedly the result of a targeting mistake by US military planners

www.theguardian.com

 

[Vol8188]

Dude you're impossible. You give me the stats I'll show it's 2x harder. Both ways came to the same conclusion you just have a foot thick skull.

You’re comparing different things. You should account for that in your comparison. If households are smaller, that changes household income. If homes are larger today that changes home price. If more homes have central heat and air, etc it significantly changes things.

People today live better than they ever have in this country.

 

[NashVol11]

100%. Called the attack on the school intentional, believes our navy could end up “at the bottom of the sea”, compared going into the strait of Hormuz to D-Day, and believes they’re currently winning the war. Also believes the current Ayatollah may live for 37 years or more

He won’t admit it, but he’s cheering for them.

None of those things are cheering, you are being "creative" with the truth as usual

 

[NashVol11]

Oh I’m sure you would argue, it would make you feel better about disliking your country

No, the idea that we should just cheer on whatever the government says is antithetical to what we were literally founded upon, but good effort

 

[Ttucke11]

You’re comparing different things. You should account for that in your comparison. If households are smaller, that changes household income. If homes are larger today that changes home price. If more homes have central heat and air, etc it significantly changes things.

People today live better than they ever have in this country.

Youre so out of touch and bullheaded I actually admire it.

 

[Volbucky]

Where has Iran claimed to want a bomb and will use it once they get one?

Lol what an ignorant question.

 

[NashVol11]

You are even seeing it in this thread- looking for reasons to put the blame back on younger people.

It is the response every single time