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Ttucke11 said:
Its going to be the destruction of the Republican party. The older generation is going to scold the younger conservatives until a clear divide happens (already is happening). Which could be a great thing if it didn't allow the Democrats to run wild.

Israel support will completely bottom out in the next decade or 2. Young people will not deal well with their quality of life being worse than their grandparents when an entire nation lives off of our own dime.

A nation that comes off extremely arrogant and pompous I might add probably doesn't help either.
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I offered an observation a few weeks ago that conservatism aka small government philosophy is dead in modern day politics.
 
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EasternVol said:
It's a broad topic. People use aspects of it to justify political positions.
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Agreed. And I already said, I have derailed threads so I have no room to scold anybody else.

But the religion-based tangents don't really lead anywhere except more fighting. Do we need more of that? I don't think so.
 
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EasternVol said:
They didn't get an agreement and it looks like they weren't trying. They were just there to set up our reverse Pearl Harbor.
The agreement Obama got may have been the highlight of his foreign policy. It could have been a useful tool had we used it. Too bad dumbarse Trump scrapped it.
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Obomber made the worst deal ever. He basically gifted Iran with nukes. We should have kept those frozen assets for repayment for all the money they cost us. Obomber got nothing, it was business as usual in Iran.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
Ah, see Hog you are proving my point. It hasn't, until now. That's the point.

Less spending power, lower home ownership rates, more competitive job market, more debt, wage stagnation, hyper inflation, etc. Gen Z will be the first generation where they overwhelmingly have a lower QOL than their parents. Young millennials probably count in this as well.
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I just don't see it. Our kids are just a couple years older than the Gen Z generation and I don't see the hardships, most of their issues come from their own decisions. Yes, everything is more expensive but wages have never been higher, work easier and more leisure time.

I do like the idea of that generation being more non-interventionalist, I do see that in my kids and think it is fantastic and really hope they carry that mindset into their 40s when they will have the power to effect change.
 
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McDad said:
Understand why you are coming to those conclusions. But I think it is very premature to make those declarations. Lot of time left for Gen Z and Millennials for QOL determinations.
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When I was 25, making $12hr working my coon dog ass off to support 2 kids I thought my QOL sucked. And it did until it didn't.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I know everyone craps on isolationism but our country is so broken we desperately need to turn our eyes back inward and work on ourselves. I'm just so tired of it all.
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I was just thinking about this this morning. With how intertwined economies and interests are it's difficult to be isolationist and a world power.

But had we stayed out of the sandbox for the last two decades we'd be in a much better position going into the next 10 years.

We've spent a lot of money and a lot of expensive unsustainable arms in just the last year.
 
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McDad said:
Wouldn't surprise me.

You don't find the same conspiracy in young people on the left?
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I don’t, It’s a different type at least. The left seems to be more Israel is morally bankrupt and uses aipac to control/influences politicians. Where as people on the right go much deeper than that. I think its because religion gets intertwined when you go deep enough
 
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Ttucke11 said:
Fair enough, I do disagree though. I think if anything it will continue to get progressively worse. Its not like any good news is coming down the pipe.

Hog will probably disagree, and I respect his opinion, but the older generation is completely blind to this. Or they don't care, not sure which.

Its going to create a lot of apathetic people who completely disengage from society (already happening) and it will also probably cause some radicalization as well. Kids were sold a false reality.
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I don't outright disagree with you. The Gen Z and Millennials have/had different challenges and obstacles than we did but the base challenges are still there. Where there is no difference between the generations is as long as you make good personal, financial decisions while young and work hard your QOL will improve. What I do see in the millennial and gen z generations is a "I deserve" attitude and I think that is a major hindrance for them.
 
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Smokey123 said:
I don’t, It’s a different type at least. The left seems to be more Israel is morally bankrupt and uses aipac to control/influences politicians. Where as people on the right go much deeper than that. I think its because religion gets intertwined when you go deep enough
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They've made a political effort religious, and when the two goals start to look contradictory (as it is now) the snapback is harsh and quick.
 
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MontyPython said:
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For the love of Pete.

You're welcome to frame this as a situation where Iran is losing the missile battle. But make no mistake, Iran is winning the oil war. The Strait of Hormuz is effectively blocked, and for at least the time being, we've done nothing to unblock it.

And while you're at it, go ahead and post some links to your claims that Iran is severely lacking in missile capability.
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You desperately want to believe Iran is winning. I’m assuming so you can blame Trump. But it’s inaccurate.

Their own lack of military response is the evidence that they’re severely lacking in missile capability. If they had such great capability, they would have shown it by now.
 
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hog88 said:
I just don't see it. Our kids are just a couple years older than the Gen Z generation and I don't see the hardships, most of their issues come from their own decisions. Yes, everything is more expensive but wages have never been higher, work easier and more leisure time.

I do like the idea of that generation being more non-interventionalist, I do see that in my kids and think it is fantastic and really hope they carry that mindset into their 40s when they will have the power to effect change.
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You don't have to see it. I can send/post all the data showing it's true.

Wages haven't caught up to inflation at any sort of similar rate. You know this, you have to.

This reminds me of a conversation with my dad the other day. I mentioned how expensive having 2 kids in daycare was. He said oh I know it was 150 dollars a week for your two young siblings. Well I send mine to mid costs daycares in my area and it costs me 450 dollars a week. Completely broke his brain, just told me I was wrong.

Meanwhile housing costs are up what 200%? More? In just the last 2 decades.

I know wages haven't risen 200%.

I respect your opinion, but the math says you're simply wrong.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
Rooting for failure would be really strange and I say that as someone who opposes the war entirely.
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Questioning why we attacked in the first place, questioning Trump's understanding of the situation, questioning the motives of those surrounding him, and questioning the end game/measure of success, are all responsible and perfectly reasonable questions to ask.

I ask each of those, but I have not made up my mind on whether this was a good idea, carried out well, a bad idea, a good idea carried out poorly, or a bad idea carried out well. Or some combination thereof. Waiting for much more information on all of that.

Doesn't mean I or anyone else who asks those questions is "rooting for failure."
 
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