Iran

[NashVol11]

Lol. You know nothing about me. I don't have to prove anything to a terrorist supporter like you.

What we know is you support genocide. You support murdering innocent people protesting their government. Were you one of the ones participating in the funeral for the Ayatollah in NY? We both know you're lying if you say you weren't.

I'm not surprised you're lashing out after being caught both shilling and then lying about it, but trying to deflect with "you either kiss Trump's ass or you love the regime" isn't going to work

 

[NashVol11]

That’s inaccurate. He stated “killing kids, it’s sort of what we do”. Yes, that’s anti-American. It makes it seem as if the US is intentionally seeking to murder school children.

No, it doesn't. The bolded is language you made up yourself, the literal definition of a strawman. We do kill kids and often, it can be intentional or negligent but neither is good

 

[EasternVol]

I don’t blame America for everything. I blame them for launching an illegal/ reckless war that destroyed the region. And I blame the CIA for trying to kill Bob Marley. Aside from those two things I’m generally content to be an American.

Huh?

 

[EasternVol]

Kind of obvious who got to him.

He's a good little neocon now.

 

[Vol8188]

No, it doesn't. The bolded is language you made up yourself, the literal definition of a strawman. We do kill kids and often, it can be intentional or negligent but neither is good

Whatever makes you feel better. He literally went on to call it “the norm for us”. You think by norm he meant “this was clearly intentional”?

And I'm telling you that you can tell yourself whatever you need to, so that you can accept it.

We've been doing it for a quarter century now, it's basically the norm for us.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Your response lacks important details and ignores several realities.

Witkoff said they had enriched uranium for bombs, not them. Out government has proven to be liars more often than honest. Iranian threats historically have been aimed at Israel, not us... we've openly given them cause to hate us via our relationship with Israel.

That is 100% untrue. They admitted in the meetings they had enough for 11 nukes . They said there was nothing we could do about it.

Pallets of cash... that was rightfully Iran's money. Period. We froze it during the Iranian revolution. You would prefer us to steal their money and violate international law?

The lost the right to that money when they've attacked us over the years. They took that money and immediately used it to fund terrorism. I'm not surprised you defend Obama's decision here Mr independent.

Sounds like you're betting the farm on another revolution to overthrow the current government. If that fails or never materializes, by your own admission, Trump won't put boots on the ground, thus regime change likely won't occur. Where's that leave us?

I said and Trump has said it was the Iranians responsibility to rise up. He set the table for them. I stated that plain and clear. I've said this can be successful without that happening.

The old guard still in charge - now fueled by hatred against us for attacking their country.

You really think they hate us more? Now they really, really, really, infinity no take backs hate us.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I'm not surprised you're lashing out after being caught both shilling and then lying about it, but trying to deflect with "you either kiss Trump's ass or you love the regime" isn't going to work

Prove that I lied. You can't. You support genocide and terrorism.

 

[EasternVol]

Oh I would bet that when the shiz hits the fan in Europe, and the migrants start getting butchered and displaced, then many of the same people in this thread will be livid if we don't get involved militarily.

When and where is that going to happen?

 

[NashVol11]

Whatever makes you feel better. He literally went on to call it “the norm for us”. You think by norm he meant “this was clearly intentional”?

"We do kill kids and often, it can be intentional or negligent but neither is good"
"He literally went on to call it 'the norm for us'"

Well yes, that is what I just said. We also jump into conflicts more than many countries which just leads it to happen even more often

 

[Vol8188]

"We do kill kids and often, it can be intentional or negligent but neither is good"
"He literally went on to call it 'the norm for us'"

Well yes, that is what I just said. We also jump into conflicts more than many countries which just leads it to happen even more often

Once again he’s implying it is intentional. No one is saying either is good. But implying it’s intentional would obviously be anti-American.

Not sure how you can even argue against that

 

[NashVol11]

Prove that I lied. You can't. You support genocide and terrorism.

"I don't think that we'll get into some long drawn out war with Iran, but also, we've been in a long drawn out war with Iran for 47 years." Quit while you are behind

 

[InVOLuntary]

"I don't think that we'll get into some long drawn out war with Iran, but also, we've been in a long drawn out war with Iran for 47 years." Quite while you are behind

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That doesn't really help your cause.

Also thoughts and prayers at the loss of your supreme leader.

 

[tvolsfan]

I'm not surprised you're lashing out after being caught both shilling and then lying about it, but trying to deflect with "you either kiss Trump's ass or you love the regime" isn't going to work

Clearly he’s happy to try it in every post.

 

[tvolsfan]

Once again he’s implying it is intentionally. No one is saying either is good. But implying it’s intentionally would obviously be anti-American.

Not sure how you can even argue against that

Saying it’s normal doesn’t mean it’s intentional. He’s right to accuse you of making a straw man argument, because that’s what you’re doing.

 

[BeardedVol]

Literally no one is defending that. You’re just battling wild straw men at this point.

Yeah man, you're not "defending it", but you're calling anyone who speaks out against it "un-American"?

 

[NashVol11]

Once again he’s implying it is intentionally. No one is saying either is good. But implying it’s intentionally would obviously be anti-American.

He's not, and I don't agree with your last sentence either. To the extent we've killed kids intentionally, it's not "anti-American" to say so. You have a habit of throwing in words like "obviously" and "infamous" to try to shore up bad and dishonest arguments

 

[InVOLuntary]

It's arguing with a television.

Lol, all you've doing for a week is parroting MSNBC dude.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Yeah man, you're not "defending it", but you're calling anyone who speaks out against it "un-American"?

There's a faction of posters here who believe being anti-Trump is anti-American. It's a characteristic of the dumbing down phenomena

 

[EasternVol]

Saying it’s normal doesn’t mean it’s intentional. He’s right to accuse you of making a straw man argument, because that’s what you’re doing.

and man am I shocked...

 

[InVOLuntary]

There's a faction of posters here who believe being anti-Trump is anti-American. It's a characteristic of the dumbing down phenomena

The problem with you anti-trumpers is you hate anything he does, not because of what he does, simply because he does it.

 

[MontyPython]

That is 100% untrue. They admitted in the meetings they had enough for 11 nukes . They said there was nothing we could do about it.

The lost the right to that money when they've attacked us over the years. They took that money and immediately used it to fund terrorism. I'm not surprised you defend Obama's decision here Mr independent.

I said and Trump has said it was the Iranians responsibility to rise up. He set the table for them. I stated that plain and clear. I've said this can be successful without that happening.

You really think they hate us more? Now they really, really, really, infinity no take backs hate us.

Provide a link showing that Iran admitted to having enough weapons grade uranium (90% enrichment) to build 11 bombs.

Re: money pallets, you admit to your preference to steal rather than live by the law. Got it.

How, precisely, will this war be successful without Iranians overthrowing their government?

 

[BeardedVol]

There's a faction of posters here who believe being anti-Trump is anti-American. It's a characteristic of the dumbing down phenomena

Getting their spiritual guidance from Paula White.

"To say no to President Trump is to say no to God".

 

[sonofUT62]

Huh?

The attempted assasination of Bob actually has its own Wiki page. I’m not suggesting that anyone take Wiki as the gospel. But what’s in there is consistent with other findings.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

The problem with you anti-trumpers is you hate anything he does, not because of what he does, simply because he does it.

It has everything to do with what he does and how he does it. I didn't have any problem with the bombing raid last June. I did have a problem with him claiming to the whole we world we obliterated their nuclear capabilities because there was a chance we didn't "obliterate" them. He's a a F'ing moron for proclaiming that.

 

[NashVol11]

The problem with you anti-trumpers is you hate anything he does, not because of what he does, simply because he does it.

No one wanted a war in Iran regardless of who started it. This very admin spent their entire campaign telling you to hate Kamala because she would do this exact thing