Iran

[Vol8188]

Yeah man, you're not "defending it", but you're calling anyone who speaks out against it "un-American"?

Mainly just you. I think everyone universally opposes the actions. You’re the only one claiming this is just what Americans do and that it’s normal for America

 

[Vol8188]

He's not, and I don't agree with your last sentence either. To the extent we've killed kids intentionally, it's not "anti-American" to say so.

Agreed if this was intentional, it’s not anti American to call it intentional. But that would require evidence of intent.

Assuming intent would be anti American.

You have a habit of throwing in words like "obviously" and "infamous" to try to shore up bad and dishonest arguments

 

[adam.vol]

Oil tops $90 per barrel. Did anyone really not see this coming? Are you really too simple to see a repeat of George W’s WMD’s and war in the Middle East decision?

Raise your hand and disagree with me. We need to make a list.

 

[MontyPython]

“Iran is no longer the ‘Bully of the Middle East,’ they are, instead, ‘THE LOSER OF THE MIDDLE EAST,’ and will be for many decades until they surrender or, more likely, completely collapse! Today Iran will be hit very hard!” Trump wrote.

Am I the only one who feels like I'm back on that 2nd grade playground? Trump's next brilliant text is, "Nanny nanny boo boo, stick your head in doo doo!"

 

[InVOLuntary]

Provide a link showing that Iran admitted to having enough weapons grade uranium (90% enrichment) to build 11 bombs.

I can't link it because it was an interview with one of the negotiators. He said they were not negotiating anything. He said they offered to provide them with fuel grade uranium so they didn't need centrifuges and they declined.

So you admit to your preference to steal rather than live by the law. Got it.

Absolutely. You don't provide money to terrorist.

How, precisely, will this war be successful without Iranians overthrowing their government?

Thats easy. I've explained it in my previous post but I guess you did thread them so I'll say it again. This operation will neuter their ability to terrorize the middle east. It will take decades to return to a state sponser of terrorism. They have no navy. They have no airforce, they have no air defense. They have little to no command and control. We've destroyed most of their ballistic missile launchers. We've destroyed and continue to destroy their missile manufacturing capabilities. We've killed around 100 of their top leaders and destroyed their main command and control facilities. We are continuing to destroy any and all military bases as well as equipment. We are still bombing drone manufacturing and underground storage.

We are further destroying any and all nuclear facilities. They had built those facilities in deep underground bunkers using concrete that they specifically engineered to resist our bunker busting bombs so I'm sure repeated strikes are necessary.

This will also stop or slow their ability to fund and support Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthi rebels.

This is also a blow to both Russia and China. They are losing, at least temporarily, an ally.

Even if they don't overthrow their government, it will be a long time before they are a significant threat to the middle east. If they become a middle Eastern country that wants to coexist peacefully with the world then all the better.

And another benefit is it shows other terrorist countries that we have the means and will to kill them if they chose to spread terrorism.

 

[InVOLuntary]

It has everything to do with what he does and how he does it. I didn't have any problem with the bombing raid last June. I did have a problem with him claiming to the whole we world we obliterated their nuclear capabilities because there was a chance we didn't "obliterate" them. He's a a F'ing moron for proclaiming that.

Lol. So you are offended by his words?

 

[BeardedVol]

Mainly just you. I think everyone universally opposes the actions. You’re the only one claiming this is just what Americans do and that it’s normal for America

It's not a "claim" it's a citation.

The Pentagon’s Reckoning with Civilian Casualties Is a Good Start—But It’s Only a Start - Modern War Institute

On August 25, the US Department of Defense announced sweeping changes to help minimize civilian casualties in war. The “Civilian Harm Mitigation and Response Action Plan,” or CHMR-AP, followed the botched drone strike in Afghanistan in August 2021, which killed ten civilians. Following this...

mwi.westpoint.edu

And yes, killing civilians and choking it up to "collateral damage" has been, and is the norm, so much so that the DOD created a program to try to minimize it.

https://media.defense.gov/2022/Aug/25/2003064740/-1/-1/1/CIVILIAN-HARM-MITIGATION-AND-RESPONSE-ACTION-PLAN.PDF

 

[InVOLuntary]

No one wanted a war in Iran regardless of who started it. This very admin spent their entire campaign telling you to hate Kamala because she would do this exact thing

If if Kamala had done it, you would have been singing her praises.

 

[DuckInAPen]

Kinda jarring how differently he talked back then

I can't watch one of these clips of Trump from 2015 without being shocked by how much he's declined neurologically.

 

[Vol8188]

I can't watch one of these clips of Trump from 2015 without being shocked by how much he's declined neurologically.

Lmfao

 

[norrislakevol]

When and where is that going to happen?

Obvious speculation on my part, but Germany, England, France, ect. In the next 5 to 10 years I'd imagine. Europe is a powder keg right now, and it's not just the migrants....though they are a major part.

 

[EasternVol]

40% of pregnancies in NYC end in dead children. Intentionally, not accidentally. Over 1million babies murdered per year in this nation in the womb. Accidentally bombing a school and killing 100+ kids on a military base halfway across the world is horrific. It sucks which is why we try hard to prevent it.

All the same Lefties on this board who are complaining the most about this...support the murder of over a million babies per year HERE. Every year. Thats cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy at a level rarely seen. VA Dems are making it legal right NOW to abort babies all the way up until mom is having contractions. If you vote for the party that does that...dont complain about dead kids. You damn sure don't care about the American ones.

Edit: this post isn't directed at you personally. I dont know you well or your views. Just offering a different perspective

I guess the bolded refers to the attached, and that's not what it says. The following (lines 24-27) is important to your argument:
Notwithstanding the above, the Commonwealth may regulate the provision of abortion care in the third trimester, provided that in no circumstance shall the Commonwealth prohibit an abortion (i) that in the professional judgment of a physician is medically indicated to protect the life or physical or mental health of the pregnant individual or (ii) when in the professional judgment of a physician the fetus is not viable.

https://lis.virginia.gov/bill-details/20261/HB781

Serious question: Up until the early 90's or so the big majority of American Protestants weren't particularly opposed to abortion. Where I'm from we didn't care much about it one way or the other, and it was a very conservative area. It was thought of as a Catholic issue. As far as I know it had been like that for many generations. I've read that the Catholic Church only came out against it in the 1800's.
What changed in the US, other than intensive special interest lobbying? The scripture didn't change. Fetuses didn't gain sentience earlier. Why is something that was widely accepted essentially forever now a mortal sin?

 

[DuckInAPen]

Hegseth. His hubris will be his undoing.

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It's already undone two of his families.

 

[NashVol11]

If if Kamala had done it, you would have been singing her praises.

When you have no argument, just start making things up

 

[NashVol11]

Stephen Miller was tweeting "KAMALA WILL SEND YOUR SONS TO WAR" constantly and now his admin is the one starting a war. Y'all don't feel embarrassed completely flipping on your beliefs like that?

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Lol. So you are offended by his words?

Not offended at all. More like disapproval of his blatant fabrication of the results of a specific. You don't think it matters that he claimed we obliterated their nuclear capabilities knowing the claim was patently false? You are a even a bigger moron than Trump

 

[MontyPython]

I can't link it because it was an interview with one of the negotiators. He said they were not negotiating anything. He said they offered to provide them with fuel grade uranium so they didn't need centrifuges and they declined.

Translation: You don't have a link because Iran never admitted to having weapons grade uranium.

Absolutely. You don't provide money to terrorist.

The 1981 settlement (under Reagan) created a legal obligation to return much of it. The key turning point was the Algiers Accords. Under that agreement:

Iran released the American hostages.

The U.S. agreed to unfreeze and return Iranian assets.

Both countries agreed to settle disputes through the Iran–U.S. Claims Tribunal in The Hague. Once the U.S. signed this agreement, failing to return the assets would clearly have violated international law, because it would breach a binding international treaty.

Thats easy. I've explained it in my previous post but I guess you did thread them so I'll say it again. This operation will neuter their ability to terrorize the middle east. It will take decades to return to a state sponser of terrorism. They have no navy. They have no airforce, they have no air defense. They have little to no command and control. We've destroyed most of their ballistic missile launchers. We've destroyed and continue to destroy their missile manufacturing capabilities. We've killed around 100 of their top leaders and destroyed their main command and control facilities. We are continuing to destroy any and all military bases as well as equipment. We are still bombing drone manufacturing and underground storage.

Replace "Iran" with "Vietnam" and you're still 100% correct. How'd that turn out for us?

We are further destroying any and all nuclear facilities. They had built those facilities in deep underground bunkers using concrete that they specifically engineered to resist our bunker busting bombs so I'm sure repeated strikes are necessary.

This will also stop or slow their ability to fund and support Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthi rebels.

Nope. The Iranians will now be motivated to simply dig their nuclear facilities deeper beyond the range of our bunker busters. Where does that leave us?

This is also a blow to both Russia and China. They are losing, at least temporarily, an ally.

Even if they don't overthrow their government, it will be a long time before they are a significant threat to the middle east. If they become a middle Eastern country that wants to coexist peacefully with the world then all the better.

And another benefit is it shows other terrorist countries that we have the means and will to kill them if they chose to spread terrorism.

Since when does terrorism require much capital or a state sponsor?

See: Bin Laden.

 

[Orangeslice13]

We are in phase 1 of a war. It's been a cakewalk... That doesn't mean the rest of it will, however.

Maybe we can spend 20 years and replace the terrorist regime with the same terrorist regime…….again

 

[CobbVol]

 

[EasternVol]

The attempted assasination of Bob actually has its own Wiki page. I’m not suggesting that anyone take Wiki as the gospel. But what’s in there is consistent with other findings.

Sidetrack: The Wailers played in Singapore after the first? F1 race there, so a few years back. I thought that interesting since Singapore will stretch a neck (at that time it was mandatory) for possession of 500 grams of weed and small quantities can get 10 years and caning.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Could you try that in English? I don't support it, no. The IDF did it in Gaza for the better part of two years. You may have noticed that I wasn't in favor of that.

Memory problems? Gaza, very recently. No switch, my comments in this thread are consistent.

It's the IDF and the US, like I said.

I didn't mention Jews. You did.

-Didn’t happen in Gaza, but Jews amiright
-you said nothing about the United States. But again nice pivot
-So you have absolutely nothing. To support your claims. Typical
-maybe you should try not following a Jew around bringing up Israel and the IDF to everything I say.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Not offended at all. More like disapproval of his blatant fabrication of the results of a specific. You don't think it matters that he claimed we obliterated their nuclear capabilities knowing the claim was patently false? You are a even a bigger moron than Trump

Can it not be true that we obliterated their facility and they still have and have reconstructed some of it and there are other facilities? I think if you take that much offense at that claim I'm not sure you have the right to call anyone a moron.

 

[DuckInAPen]

I've read that the Catholic Church [to abortion] only came out against it in the 1800's.

Explicit condemnation of abortion is documented as normative Christian teaching from the subapostolic period, and specific penances prescribed for those who have participated in an abortion are documented from at least late antiquity.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Can it not be true that we obliterated their facility and they still have and have reconstructed some of it and there are other facilities? I think if you take that much offense at that claim I'm not sure you have the right to call anyone a moron.

Oh, not only do I have the right to call you a moron, but I am spot on with the call.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Translation: You don't have a link because Iran never admitted to having weapons grade uranium.

Translation, I can't link a TV program. Translation, you really don't care about the truth, you only care about getting Trump.

The 1981 settlement (under Reagan) created a legal obligation to return much of it. The key turning point was the Algiers Accords. Under that agreement:

Iran released the American hostages.

The U.S. agreed to unfreeze and return Iranian assets.

Both countries agreed to settle disputes through the Iran–U.S. Claims Tribunal in The Hague. Once the U.S. signed this agreement, failing to return the assets would clearly have violated international law, because it would breach a binding international treaty.

Under no circumstances do you give money to terrorist. Are you for funding terrorism?

Replace "Iran" with "Vietnam" and you're still 100% correct. How'd that turn out for us?

Seriously? We had boots on the ground in Vietnam. Also, Vietnam is a peaceful trading partner with us and from what I understand a beautiful place to visit.

Nope. The Iranians will now be motivated to simply dig their nuclear facilities deeper beyond the range of our bunker busters. Where does that leave us?

You don't think we'll be monitoring that from afar? If you really belive that this won't set them back decades, I really don't know what to tell you.

Since when does terrorism require much capital or a state sponsor?

See: Bin Laden.

Are you trying to make the argument that the Houthis, Hamas, and Hezbola are not extensions of the IRGC?

Also, Bin Laden received support from Iran so that doesn't really help your argument there.