Iran

It seems you guys want to discuss a novel by starting in the middle. Let's start at the beginning. Why would Iran ever hate us? And if their hate is based on our meddling, maybe if we stop meddling they wouldn't hate us anymore?

Iran didn't come out the womb hating America. Before we created the spark that led to the Islamic revolution they were like any other country. They just wanted peace and prosperity. Then our government decided to topple their democratically elected secular government because they wouldn’t let British Petroleum steal their oil. So we installed a dictator who the people hated so much they turned to Islamic fundamentalism.

Once again Iran didn't come out the womb screaming "Death to America". We created that hate and resentment in them because of our actions. And now all we're doing is adding to that bad blood by continuing to attack them. At some point you can't blame someone for defending themselves after you keep starting the fight.
Sure we can. And the people of Iran want us to liberate them. They tried to overthrow the mullahs themselves until Obama left them out to dry.
And we still owe them for this
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We haven’t forgotten
 
I'm not sure why this matters. The point of an attack shouldn't have been destroying the uranium. If that was the goal, massive bombings were a terrible way to go about it.

The point was(and maybe this is giving Trump and Co too much credit) to keep Iran from any further refinement. If the mullahs have a bunch of uranium with no refinement capacity, then they might as well have no uranium.
The effort, or work, to go from 60 to 90 is very little. They very easily could have removed the equipment to do so as well.
 
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torah isnt a book written by God
Uuuuuhhhhhhh
Torah is scripture that has been proven accurate throughout the generations thanks to the dedication of the Jewish scribes. The Dead Sea scrolls prove that a copy of Isiah 700 bc is exactly the same as it appears today.

The New Testament…..on the other hand…..is very different now than the oldest copies.

And don’t get me started on the book of Hebrews that was written by someone who was a follower of the followers of Messiah……and the only signed original copy we have (written on the outside of the scroll) claims to be written by Priscilla the follower of Paul. That’s probably why it gets so much wrong
 
It seems you guys want to discuss a novel by starting in the middle. Let's start at the beginning. Why would Iran ever hate us? And if their hate is based on our meddling, maybe if we stop meddling they wouldn't hate us anymore?

Iran didn't come out the womb hating America. Before we created the spark that led to the Islamic revolution they were like any other country. They just wanted peace and prosperity. Then our government decided to topple their democratically elected secular government because they wouldn’t let British Petroleum steal their oil. So we installed a dictator who the people hated so much they turned to Islamic fundamentalism.

Once again Iran didn't come out the womb screaming "Death to America". We created that hate and resentment in them because of our actions. And now all we're doing is adding to that bad blood by continuing to attack them. At some point you can't blame someone for defending themselves after you keep starting the fight.

Lmfao “you made us choose Islamic fundamentalism” is one of my favorite claims. The idea that their leader was democratically elected previously is also a joke. The Shah chose him.
 
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We haven't even seen such an attack and you are prepping for the blame shifting already. Pretty transparent.
You’re avoiding the obvious point. How WOULD sleeper cells have gotten into the U.S. exactly? 🤔
It’s a legitimate question and should be given a serious answer.
 
Lmfao “you made us choose Islamic fundamentalism” is one of my favorite claims. The idea that their leader was democratically elected previously is also a joke. The Shah chose him.
And it was the British who carved up Central Asia and redrew the maps. Dont try and blame that on poor old Uncle Sam
 
This is what I voted for!


If you push to have illegals kept out of our country and vetted people for coming to our country, you wouldn't have to worry about terrorist attacks . This is all on you and your fellow communist if there's a bombing. You are the one's that screamed when Trump tried to do a pause on foreigners coming from Middle East countries, remember that? You want Unlimited immigration so you can't complain if a terrorist does attack within our borders
 
If we were to change our posture toward them you don't think that would change their posture toward us? So you're point is we committed the original sin and instead of trying to change things let's just kill them instead?

This is why I say the right is blinded by bigotry. Do you think this is a Christian thing to do? Instead of correcting a wrong let's ignore it and instead kill the people we've wronged cause we can't risk them wanting revenge?
You don't know what the heck you're talking about. These are religious Fanatics who control iran. You can try to change and appease them but they believe that America must fall under Islam Rule and law if not, we should be beheaded. That's the Iranian leadership's beliefs
 
Uuuuuhhhhhhh
Torah is scripture that has been proven accurate throughout the generations thanks to the dedication of the Jewish scribes. The Dead Sea scrolls prove that a copy of Isiah 700 bc is exactly the same as it appears today.

The New Testament…..on the other hand…..is very different now than the oldest copies.

And don’t get me started on the book of Hebrews that was written by someone who was a follower of the followers of Messiah……and the only signed original copy we have (written on the outside of the scroll) claims to be written by Priscilla the follower of Paul. That’s probably why it gets so much wrong
I wasn't thinking of the Torah, I was thinking of another book. The New Testament is accurate the new testament is inspired by God as is Hebrews. It kills me how you people think you guys are biblical experts when there is no doubt it's been proven over and over again concerning the accuracy of the Bible
 
We dropped bombs no one else could. That's the extent of it to this point. If more is done you may have a point about fighting anothers war. As it stands now you've got your panties in a wad about something every president in the last 30+ years has done........ Were those choices lamented in a similar manner?
They only get their panties in the wads when Trump is doing it. I don't think it's going to be any more retaliation from Iran
 



The enrichment of nuclear material — and, now we can say it outright, the future production of nuclear weapons — will continue," Dmitry Medvedev, now the deputy chairman of the Security Council of Russia, said in a Sunday X post.
The craziness of Medvedev saying "multiple countries" are ready to give Iran nukes is obvious.

Only 9 countries have nukes.

Israel, US, Great Britain, France, and India are out automatically. India would never want ANOTHER radical Islamic nation going nuclear.

Russia and China are highly unlikely. Inviting WWIII isn't in their interest.

So if it's "multiple nations," it's NK and Pakistan.

NK is estimated to have about 50 warheads and I'll wager the US knows exactly where they are.

It's Pakistan. If it happens, it's them.
 
Ya, they side with the people who outlaw homosexuality and execute the homosexuals.
"Side with them" by saying their civilians shouldn't be killed because of their views on homosexuality. Do you disagree?

Israel's pinkwashing is one of the more obnoxious things they do IMO. If you're really the good guys you shouldn't have to propagandize so much
 
No country has ever used a nuclear bomb unprovoked except us in the 80 or so years nukes have been in existence. Why would Iran suddenly buck the trend? Nations get nukes for defensive posture. It's to deter others from attacking you with nukes.

What evidence do you have Iran would use a nuclear bomb unprovoked outside of your bigotry towards them?
When did we ever use a nuclear bomb unprovoked?
 
I would rather leaders not lie and use propaganda in campaigns that they can't keep. Ending Ukraine war in 1 day is a good example. There was plenty that Trump could criticize Biden on without extremity.
Then you should probably close your eyes and log off
 
I can't say today whether bombing the nuclear facilities yesterday was the "right" or "wrong" thing to do.

I can say that if you accept at face value what Trump said yesterday (that we "obliterated" their program and now it's time for peace to break out) that you are very naive.
Agreed
 
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