Iran

[Smokey123]

If the facilities are destroyed, the uranium doesn’t matter.

You’ve been yapping to everyone for the last week that Iran was at 60% and was one moment away from a nuke. Now it doesn’t matter lol

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Might want to edit that lead in sentence. The US was embroiled in a multiyear war with Japan and casualties were already thru the roof. Many feel if Truman had not used the nukes he had available to more quickly end the war he should have been tried for treason. While the war would have ended it would have taken invasion of the Japan mainland to force capitulation. And that would have come with high casualties on both sides.

Is the US the only country to have used nukes against a foe? Yes. But we absolutely were provoked. And justified.

You can't use that logic because no one would accept it in the reverse. Nobody is justified TODAY to use nukes because you're losing a war with conventional weapons. How would we react if Russia used a nuke against Ukraine because a lengthy ground campaign would cause high casualties? That logic would be unacceptable in other context. But because we're Americans we have to justify our nation's evil acts.

Sorry but those were the two worst individual acts of evil in human history. No other nation has done anything close to that.

 

[volfanhill]

You can't use that logic because no one would accept it in the reverse. Nobody is justified TODAY to use nukes because you're losing a war with conventional weapons. How would we react if Russia used a nuke against Ukraine because a lengthy ground campaign would cause high casualties? That logic would be unacceptable in other context. But because we're Americans we have to justify our nation's evil acts.

Sorry but those were the two worst individual acts of evil in human history. No other nation has done anything close to that.

It saved lives. We warned them what was about to happen. It happened. We should have zero guilt over those weapons being dropped

 

[NorthDallas40]

You can't use that logic because no one would accept it in the reverse. Nobody is justified TODAY to use nukes because you're losing a war with conventional weapons. How would we react if Russia used a nuke against Ukraine because a lengthy ground campaign would cause high casualties? That logic would be unacceptable in other context. But because we're Americans we have to justify our nation's evil acts.

Sorry but those were the two worst individual acts of evil in human history. No other nation has done anything close to that.

 

[lawgator1]

Puuuuuleeese. If there are terrorist attacks within the US Biden, his sycophants, his handlers and supporters own it.

You assume such attackers entered illegally and on the Southern border and when Biden was President. What will you say if it happens and they came in while Trump was POTUS? My guess is not much.

 

[Vol8188]

You’ve been yapping to everyone for the last week that Iran was at 60% and was one moment away from a nuke. Now it doesn’t matter lol

It mattered when they had the means to enrichment uranium. The claim is that those facilities have been destroyed.

So no, the uranium without enrichment facilities does not matter

 

[PEPPERJAX]

You can't use that logic because no one would accept it in the reverse. Nobody is justified TODAY to use nukes because you're losing a war with conventional weapons. How would we react if Russia used a nuke against Ukraine because a lengthy ground campaign would cause high casualties? That logic would be unacceptable in other context. But because we're Americans we have to justify our nation's evil acts.

Sorry but those were the two worst individual acts of evil in human history. No other nation has done anything close to that.

Russia potentially nuking Ukraine is a horrible comparison.

 

[Vol423]

D4H went silent after that.

That dude should do everybody a favor (including himself) and remain silent in perpetuity.

 

[tbh]

You can't use that logic because no one would accept it in the reverse. Nobody is justified TODAY to use nukes because you're losing a war with conventional weapons. How would we react if Russia used a nuke against Ukraine because a lengthy ground campaign would cause high casualties? That logic would be unacceptable in other context. But because we're Americans we have to justify our nation's evil acts.

Sorry but those were the two worst individual acts of evil in human history. No other nation has done anything close to that.

You're certainly entitled to your own opinion, however Russia was the initial aggressor in their conflict with Ukraine. They'd be nuking territory they wanted to occupy indefinitely (not smart, even by Russian standards). In the case of WWII, Japan was the initial aggressor, and the US sought to end the campaign to pacify them and end the war. Would a protracted conventional campaign on the Japanese islands have somehow been more "humane", by your calculus?

 

[PEPPERJAX]

That dude should do everybody a favor (including himself) and remain silent in perpetuity.

I spoke too soon. The MENSA president is cranking out golden posts once again.

 

[Matt2496]

Whoops

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

If someone repeatedly claimed that they were going to kill everyone in their town, while repeatedly hiring someone to try to kill everyone in their town, you'd need to wait for a gun reference before you thought, "Maybe letting him have a gun isn't the best idea."

Once again show me a quote where Iran said they would drop a nuke on anyone?

You're creating a strawman here. A situation that never occurred. Iran hasn't done anything we or Israel hasn't done. And unlike Iran who has been acting in response to prior US aggression. We had no reason to depose Iran's democratically elected secular government in 1953 so British Petroleum could get access to their oil.

Iran has only acted in retaliation to our aggression. We're not some innocent snowflake. A more appropriate analogy would be someone whose had their home invaded and family murdered saying they were arming up to defend themselves and wishing death on the ones who murdered their family and were threatening to invade their home once again.

You guys keep ignoring our aggression. Iran is acting in self-defense. We're the big bully whose been going around messing with everyone.

 

[volfanhill]

You assume such attackers entered illegally and on the Southern border and when Biden was President. What will you say if it happens and they came in while Trump was POTUS? My guess is not much.

My reply would be simple. Trump has always claimed the border is a problem. Biden denied that for 3 years. Illegals get in under any POTUS. Someone with their head up their ass and lying about it is a bigger problem

 

[MemphisVol77]

Let's be frank here. We have decades of "our fault". But the "why" doesn't change the "what". Iran wants us dead. They want the entire western culture gone. We can't take the chance of them having nuclear bombs.

I agree.

I'm just pointing out the absurdity of some people's willingness to excuse MENA states doing the wrong thing for the wrong reason.

I'm actually ambivalent on the present bombing of Iran. I think stopping Iran from gaining nukes is the right thing regardless of any preexisting or extenuating circumstances.

 

[Vol8188]

My reply would be simple. Trump has always claimed the border is a problem. Biden denied that for 3 years. Illegals get in under any POTUS. Someone with their head up their ass and lying about it is a bigger problem

Yep. Crime happens. Politicians should only be blamed for crime if they intentionally refuse to enforce laws.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

You can't use that logic because no one would accept it in the reverse. Nobody is justified TODAY to use nukes because you're losing a war with conventional weapons. How would we react if Russia used a nuke against Ukraine because a lengthy ground campaign would cause high casualties? That logic would be unacceptable in other context. But because we're Americans we have to justify our nation's evil acts.

Sorry but those were the two worst individual acts of evil in human history. No other nation has done anything close to that.

You sure about that?

 

[bamawriter]

How much would you bet that we got all of the sites with centrifuges? Also, I think some are only like 10 feet

I don't know, but how many sites can there be? Iran only has one working nuclear reactor. That would be the obvious place to set up shop since no one is going to bomb a working reactor. But it's not like the place is some kind of secret.

I suppose it's within the realm of possibility that Iran could have some hidden refineries. But it seems unlikely given the resources required to build such a facility. Put simply, I cannot imagine that Iran could have built a facility capable of uranium refinement without either the US or Israel knowing.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I wasn't thinking of the Torah, I was thinking of another book. The New Testament is accurate the new testament is inspired by God as is Hebrews. It kills me how you people think you guys are biblical experts when there is no doubt it's been proven over and over again concerning the accuracy of the Bible

You go ahead and drink your poison and handle your snakes.
Don’t let it bother you that no copy of mark contains those verses before 650 ce. And the 23 things that Hebrews gets wrong including the type of priesthood Yeshua represents, that should not bother you either.
If you didn’t recognize what Torah is then you’re probably not the kinda guy to have this conversation.
I’m a Messianic Jew which means I recognize Yeshua as the messiah in spite of the errors in the gospels and writings, not because of them.

Btw there was never anyone named Jesus. Till the 1600s the English speaking people called him Lesus. There was never anyone by that name either. It’s interesting that there are others in “the Bible” who had the same name as messiah but they are all translated “Joshua “. I wonder what that’s about?

(Rhetorical, I know what that’s about. I wrote a paper on it at the glorious university of Tennessee)

 

[NorthDallas40]

You sure about that?
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Oof. D4H once again trips over his own hyperbole.

 

[Orangeslice13]

"Side with them" by saying their civilians shouldn't be killed because of their views on homosexuality. Do you disagree?

Israel's pinkwashing is one of the more obnoxious things they do IMO. If you're really the good guys you shouldn't have to propagandize so much

I think their view on anything is irrelevant to why they are being killed. I think they should not let Hamas use them as shields if they don’t want to die.

Fact one side accepts gay marriage and has gay and trans people serving in government. The other side throws them off of buildings. Which side are you on?

 

[bamawriter]

Sorry but those were the two worst individual acts of evil in human history. No other nation has done anything close to that.

What the Japanese did to the Chinese (and what they would have continued to do had the US not dropped the bombs) was far, far worse than the casualties in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

We dropped bombs no one else could. That's the extent of it to this point. If more is done you may have a point about fighting anothers war. As it stands now you've got your panties in a wad about something every president in the last 30+ years has done........ Were those choices lamented in a similar manner?

Are you this naive or playing dumb? We just dropped bombs? So if another nation dropped bombs in America would you brush it off as no big deal? Smh. You sound like the liberals who said it's just a mask why are complaining about wearing it.

If you can't see Israel and the US government is setting up for a push to change regimes in Iran. Why do you think they're already walking back the talking points from yesterday. They're setting us up for another perpetual war in the middle east and conservatives are falling for it once again because they hate Muslims.

 

[NashVol11]

I think their view on anything is irrelevant to why they are being killed. I think they should not let Hamas use them as shields if they don’t want to die.

Fact one side accepts gay marriage and has gay and trans people serving in government. The other side throws them off of buildings. Which side are you on?

None of that is even true. Gay people can't get married in Israel and "thrown off of buildings" gets said a lot with zero examples. All of that is completely irrelevant to the morality of slaughtering civilians

 

[NorthDallas40]

What the Japanese did to the Chinese (and what they would have continued to do had the US not dropped the bombs) was far, far worse than the casualties in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

And never forget when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

Cmon you know we were headed there

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

No country has ever used a nuclear weapon unprovoked.

Last I checked Japan didn't drop a nuke on us before we dropped two on them. You can't justify using nuclear weapons in response to conventional weapons by your opponent. If that counted as provocation then Russia could argue they can use nukes against Ukraine because Ukraine used conventional weapons against them.