Iran

[Volnanza]

Trump says he gets to have a role in selecting the next Iranian leader. I dont see how anyone can defend that statement.

I agree. He does have a roll. He blew up the last one as part of his role.

 

[hog88]

I am more worried about the criminals that the judges let skate than I am of someone being wrongly convicted. There is a myriad of examples where repeated felons have been released and commit more violent crime, there are very few examples of innocent people being unjustly accused.

There have been thousands of convicted people who were later exonerated, several that had been sentenced to death.

I can’t remember the quote or who said it but it goes something like this:

I’d rather a 1000 guilty go free than 1 innocent be punished.

 

[Smokey123]

The apostles were murdered for their beliefs, a little different

Yes definitely a difference

Do I think there’s better ways to bring awareness? Absolutely. But in his head he could have genuinely thought doing this would bring real change to something he cared about deeply. I can definitely see both sides

 

[Orangeburst]

There have been thousands of convicted people who were later exonerated, several that had been sentenced to death.

I can’t remember the quote or who said it but it goes something like this:

I’d rather a 1000 guilty go free than 1 innocent be punished.

you get from a Chinese cookie at lunch?

 

[Vol8188]

How and why? I have to disagree with you on this, he's a private citizen who's earned the right to wear his former uniform anytime he wishes so he under no circumstances should face any penalty from the military.

Now with that being said, if one of his crayon eating brethren stomps a mudhole in his azz for wearing his uniform during that stunt I wouldn't bat an eye.

The uniform should not be used as a political tool.

 

[hndog609]

What udder . As O'Donnell knows the United States military is a volunteer force. It's made up of men & women who know they are signing up to be sent to war and the possibility of being injured or killed while in the service of their country.

If Barron Trump joined the military he would put an extra target on the unit he is assigned by the United States enemies all over the world.

It's stupid for Rosie to argue and anyone else to propagate. Now if any POTUS were to call for a draft then the context would be different. There's just not much legs to an argument based on a volunteer military. Now if someone wanted to let the genie out of the bottle that any POTUS with military eligible family members (past/present/future) should be held to that standard you can go on record but I'm betting there'll be lots and lots of "That's different!" spread around.

 

[EasternVol]

18 U.S. Code § 702,

That's a good rule.

 

[hog88]

The uniform should not be used as a political tool.

I 100% agree that it shouldn’t. But disagree with the .gov punishing a veteran for using it that way. I’m perfectly fine okay with another Marine counseling him on the subject

 

[Smokey123]

I am more worried about the criminals that the judges let skate than I am of someone being wrongly convicted. There is a myriad of examples where repeated felons have been released and commit more violent crime, there are very few examples of innocent people being unjustly accused.

One single person being wrongly given the death penalty is one too many and justification to abolish it

 

[Persian Vol]

Ran so far awaaaaaay... i was a kid in the 80s, and that was one of the better driving songs on GTA as a teenager too. Think I am pretty much incapable of saying it the correct way.

It’s literally the letter E + the name Ron.

 

[newarkvol]

SIAP: So why not demand a surrender at the very least?



From the NYT:

"The Sri Lankan president, Anura Dissanayake, made a public televised statement on Thursday, a day after an Iranian ship was torpedoed by the United States in the waters near Sri Lanka. He said that a second Iranian naval vessel, the IRINS Bushehr, asked the Sri Lankan government if it could dock at one of the country’s ports. Sri Lankan officials decided to bring the 208 people on the ship — 53 officers, 84 cadet officers, 48 senior sailors, 23 sailors — to Colombo and take the ship into custody in Trincomalee, on the east coast, rather than in Colombo, one of the busiest commercial ports in the world."

Al Jaazera:

"Sri Lanka has evacuated 208 crew members of an Iranian navy vessel, President Anura Kumara Dissanayake said, a day after a US submarine struck and sank another Iranian frigate.

He said Sri Lanka’s navy will also take over the second vessel and shift it to the northeastern port of Trincomalee for safekeeping amid fears that it could be a target for an attack."

So the US was also invited and knew the Iranian Navy would be unarmed. Withdrew and waited on their return to attack and sink their ship just to display it to the American public like it was and active warship. Rather dishonorable action in my estimation.

 

[85SugarVol]

I am more worried about the criminals that the judges let skate than I am of someone being wrongly convicted. There is a myriad of examples where repeated felons have been released and commit more violent crime, there are very few examples of innocent people being unjustly accused.

What?
Then we could not be more opposed on this.

I would watch 100 killers walk before I watched 1 innocent man be falsely convicted.

How many capital case whoopsies are you ‘ok’ with?

 

[85SugarVol]

There have been thousands of convicted people who were later exonerated, several that had been sentenced to death.

I can’t remember the quote or who said it but it goes something like this:

I’d rather a 1000 guilty go free than 1 innocent be punished.

Exactly

 

[85SugarVol]

One single person being wrongly given the death penalty is one too many and justification to abolish it

If only it were just one….

 

[Vol8188]

I 100% agree that it shouldn’t. But disagree with the .gov punishing a veteran for using it that way. I’m perfectly fine okay with another Marine counseling him on the subject

He did so with full knowledge his uniform is not to be worn for political purposes. So I have no issue with punishing a veteran for such action.

 

[Vol8188]

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Guess we should ignore all context of when and why the statements were made or the fact that these statements were nearly 50 years apart.

 

[EasternVol]

Guess we should ignore all context of when and why the statements were made or the fact that these statements were nearly 50 years apart.

Trump's ignoring the same in his rationalizations for attacking Iran.

 

[Smokey123]

 

[Smokey123]

 

[KB5252]

It’s interesting to watch the outrage from some Persian nationalists the moment there is speculation that Kurdish forces could play a role on the ground against the Islamic regime. Suddenly the same people who claim to want ‘freedom for Iran’ panic at the idea of Kurds having any real power or autonomy. That hypocrisy says everything.

Kurds have fought and resisted oppression for decades. When ISIS was terrorizing the region, Kurdish fighters were among the first on the front lines while much of the world hesitated. At that time many of you praised their bravery. But the moment Kurds speak about their own rights, their own land, and their own self-determination, you start calling them terrorists.

You cannot have it both ways. Kurds are not a tool for your political convenience. They are a nation of tens of millions with their own language, culture, and history that existed long before the modern states drawn on maps in the Middle East.

Trying to smear Kurdish fighters as terrorists only exposes ignorance and deep prejudice. Wanting freedom from oppression, defending your people, and demanding the right to govern your own future is not terrorism. It is a basic human right.

If the future of the region involves Kurds finally having a voice and defending themselves, perhaps the real issue is not Kurdish ‘terrorism’ but the fact that some people cannot accept that Kurds refuse to stay silent anymore.

Who are you taking to. I've never called Kurds terrorist or even implied they were.

I'm speaking in pragmatic terms. If Kurds mount a large scale offensive that complicates things. It's not a condemnation of Kurds nor a pro or con statement. It's simply fact.

I've smeared the Kurds in zero posts.

I do think it wise for future governments in Iran and elsewhere to include the Kurds and other minority groups in government with representation.

 

[TVOLS]

SIAP: So why not demand a surrender at the very least?

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From the NYT:

"The Sri Lankan president, Anura Dissanayake, made a public televised statement on Thursday, a day after an Iranian ship was torpedoed by the United States in the waters near Sri Lanka. He said that a second Iranian naval vessel, the IRINS Bushehr, asked the Sri Lankan government if it could dock at one of the country’s ports. Sri Lankan officials decided to bring the 208 people on the ship — 53 officers, 84 cadet officers, 48 senior sailors, 23 sailors — to Colombo and take the ship into custody in Trincomalee, on the east coast, rather than in Colombo, one of the busiest commercial ports in the world."

Al Jaazera:

"Sri Lanka has evacuated 208 crew members of an Iranian navy vessel, President Anura Kumara Dissanayake said, a day after a US submarine struck and sank another Iranian frigate.

He said Sri Lanka’s navy will also take over the second vessel and shift it to the northeastern port of Trincomalee for safekeeping amid fears that it could be a target for an attack."

So the US was also invited and knew the Iranian Navy would be unarmed. Withdrew and waited on their return to attack and sink their ship just to display it to the American public like it was and active warship. Rather dishonorable action in my estimation.

Shady stuff if true

 

[hndog609]

So maybe I've missed some stuff but other than firing in some high speed/low drag types for targeted incursions have we assembled anything that even remotely resembles an "invasion" force? Any significant armor staging? I've seen basically nothing that signals even remote interest in "boots on the ground" invasion.

 

[MAD]

Who are you taking to. I've never called Kurds terrorist or even implied they were.

I'm speaking in pragmatic terms. If Kurds mount a large scale offensive that complicates things. It's not a condemnation of Kurds nor a pro or con statement. It's simply fact.

I've smeared the Kurds in zero posts.

I do think it wise for future governments in Iran and elsewhere to include the Kurds and other minority groups in government with representation.

I apologize that it came off like that, I know you never would. You are one of the nicest posters. Fair and kind to everyone. I was saying Persian Nationalist.

 

[rikberry31]

There have been thousands of convicted people who were later exonerated, several that had been sentenced to death.

I can’t remember the quote or who said it but it goes something like this:

I’d rather a 1000 guilty go free than 1 innocent be punished.

Well that many violent felons have been turned loose this week.

 

[LouderVol]

AI isn't perfect. But in this case it was correct as independent media is confirming. We are prioritizing the protection of Israel over our own troops in the Gulf. Watch this clip:

yet again, no we aren't. the Ford hasn't stayed parked near Israel. its been moving this whole time. your "independent media", which really just means people expressing opinions, just took the closest approach to Israel as if it had dropped anchor and is sitting there.

multiple of us have given you links to location of the Ford, none of which have been off the Israeli coast, and you have ignored it each time.

we have a separate carrier task force in the Gulf. the Lincoln, in the Gulf, has the same anti-missile Seasparrows the Ford does. we also have several separate destroyers and cruisers beyond the Lincoln Task force in the gulf as well. THERE ARE MORE US NAVAL SHIPS IN THE GULF than in the eastern mediterranean.

Our boys are not any less protected because its the Lincoln in the Gulf than they would be if the Ford was there.

AI was wrong, and you are grasping at straws instead of admitting you weren't right.