LOL! I don't think I have ever met a more delusional human being. You applying the words "facts" and "spin"
in the same post is hilarious.
I see I hit pretty close to the bullseye with you.
You form an opinion based on limited information, choose a side, then take the following information and cherry pick to suit your preconceived statements.
That's false but even if it were true it would be many times over better than what you and your pal MedicT do.
Do I believe in my opinions, well duh, that's why they are my opinions. Do I also say that is my initial interpretation an that I COULD BE WRONG, all the time! You just can't stand the idea of being wrong.
If you actually knew me, you would understand how truly absurd that claim is. I state opinions and defend them. I challenge opinions that disagree with mine. NONE of that indicates that I won't drop my opinion if a better one is presented. I've done it many times here in the last 10 years. In fact, that is EXACTLY the way a person SHOULD try their own opinions and competing opinions.
People post things all the time that I may disagree with. Unlike you, I am very tolerant of the fact that others could be correct. You on the other hand, it seems to drive insane.
I am absolutely tolerant of the fact they could be correct AND their right to be wrong if they are. That does not mean there is ANYTHING wrong with advocating a position and challenging others.
Your incessant need for attention and confirmation is just weird. Even though I generally just skim through your short novels-I mean posts- (as I type a longer than usual post myself lol), I have noticed your constant desire for acknowledgement of job performance.
Again, a statement that NO ONE who knows me in real life would agree with.
I write long responses because I want whoever I am responding to to understand the reasoning behind my claims. Don't like it? Don't read. I don't enjoy the stupid, half-witted type of "Butch gets it" or "Butch sucks" posts that you seem to favor. Sorry about that.
I am glad you didn't fail at your job but you do realize that doesn't qualify you to run a fb program right????
Never said it did. Nor am I claiming to be the best qualified or uniquely qualified to understand leadership and change management. But I do have some experience and understanding and there ARE principles of leadership and management that apply to most or even all organizations.
MedicT goes NUTS at high expectations. He claims to have a "bright lights" job... but in the real world where we compete internationally... failure to make real, tangible, measurable bottom-line improvements costs leaders their jobs. That's the way it has to be or else the whole organization suffers.
That's the only reason I've brought experience into these discussions. It provides perspective. Why didn't you attack him for his claim to have superior insight for having played football in college? There's as much difference between being a player in college and being a professional HC as there is between being a billing clerk and a CEO. But leadership at any level of an organization has some transcendent elements.
Frankly, Jones is good at a GREAT number of those elements.... but he STILL has to progress and win. THAT is where guys like MedicT come apart.
Seriously you understand that was your job and expected? That means you were given a task with the means and resources to accomplish said task. You know, just like 90% of people in the world. Some can't achieve their given responsibilities so, uh, here's your cookie for being one of the MANY of us who can.
Do you know the difference between a task or job and a responsibility?
From what we have seen of your much coveted resume' It's about a tenth of mine and yet... This is the first time I have ever brought mine up. The reason? Because it doesn't have crap to do with TN football.
If you are a successful leader and have ever faced a challenging rebuild type of situation and overcome it then you should be able to apply that experience as a "perspective" on what Jones faces and is doing.
If you have done so then you have also been given a responsibility, goals, AND expectations for improvements that include an idea success and what constitutes satisfactory "progress". If your resume is that much better than mine then I doubt you have EVER been given such a responsibility with no timeframes or expectations for intermediate progress.
MedicT who you seem to be defending and siding with bristles at the very notion that there should be any expectations for progressive improvement in terms of W's.
Use Dajs numbers to point out Butchs short comings while leaving out the part where he also said the Jones has a history of over exceeding until now.
I don't expect you to memorize all of my posts just as I haven't memorized yours... but I have acknowledged that many times. But it really doesn't matter. He's competing at a different level now.
Pretend that it has nothing to do with the talent on paper not factoring in injuries or people playing out of position...
Other coaches have inherited bad situations. Other coaches have overcome injuries and roster problems. IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. He has not failed yet but he is behind the curve in terms of wins or at the very best "meeting" minimum expectations in that regard. He is by NO stretch overachieving in W's nor did he inherit the worst situation a coach has ever inherited.
Whatever "spin" you need for your odd desire of appreciation. You do these things all the time. Rarely does anyone call you on them.. Not because everyone believes your intensive 'nonbiased' research is correct, but because responding to you requires time that is better spent for most of us.
I have never claimed "intensive" research and my opinions are naturally biased since there are things we have to try to make reasonable guesses at when the facts aren't all known.
Spend your time any way you like. But if you post non-sense and I feel it is a good use of my free time... I'll challenge it.
Still to this day, you occasionally justify your "Give Dooley another year" stance. No one has questioned you on that, you just can't stand the idea of unquestionably being wrong.
Funny you should bring that up. MOST people who read my posts have already seem me admit that I was ABSOLUTELY wrong about arguing against those who criticized Dooley before the last year. I'm not sure what "Give Dooley another year" stance you are talking about but I think it was the right thing to do to give him a 3rd year with a team mostly made up of guys he had recruited and coached... just like I do for Jones and would for anyone else. Seldom should a HC be declared a "failure" after two seasons.
Basically, I made the same arguments that many of you do now. That whether Dooley succeeded or failed, fans should withhold criticism and support him until the 3rd year. I never said the guy was going to succeed... only that he should get a "fair shot". I even said that he should be fired after 3 years if he didn't start winning... and said it within a few weeks of him being hired and before he'd ever coached a down.
Again, I was absolutely wrong... just like many of you are now concerning Jones.
In short, we all form opinions and we all ARE WRONG at times. The sooner you get over yourself for accomplishing what you are paid to do and understand you aren't as special as you think, the sooner people will actually pay more attention to your rants.
I have never said I was right all the time or not wrong at times. I'm not bragging about what I've done and have also related that I have FAILED before when faced with challenging situations. My only reason to bring any of that up EVER is to relate it to leadership and management issues faced by the HC. They aren't the
same but there are objective parallels.
Plenty of people pay attention to my posts but I don't really think of that as a motivator. I enjoy Vol football. I enjoy exchanging ideas, debating, and even butting heads at times. MORE than enough people engage me to satisfy those desires.
