Roustabout
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People “who were onto him from the outset” guessed right. They weren’t privy to any more knowledge than those that were excited about the recruiting energy and embrace of relationships with alumni and high school coaches. I don’t regret hoping he was the answer, so put me on the list and go get everybody else.
Define Kool-Aid drinking since you’re in the defining mood. Seems open ended. And to save you some time, I don’t regret my approach one damn bit. Right or wrong in the end as I may be in the end, my opinions aren’t crafted willy nilly and you’ve never influenced them...STRONG as you are.This is weak. Everyone “hoped” he was the answer, but assuming he is and drinking the Kool-Aid isn’t a necessary part of that
Define Kool-Aid drinking since you’re in the defining mood. Seems open ended. And to save you some time, I don’t regret my approach one damn bit. Right or wrong in the end as I may be in the end, my opinions aren’t crafted willy nilly and you’ve never influenced them...STRONG as you are.
You see excuses when I’m being honest. I think you had a determined negative slant already on me...consistency on your history with me. I ended up wrong and people who declared him a failure from the outset weren’t armed with any more information than myself when forming their opinion. And I never stated your last quote, so you’re a fiction writer.I didn't think you regretted your approach until you started making excuses for it like "I was just hoping" and "everyone who was right when I was wrong was just lucky"
I dont know about interviews but some names mentioned: Willie Taggart, Bobby Petrino, Kirby Smart, Jim Mora, Butch Davis
I know hindsight is 20/20, but I think I'd rather have rolled with any of those than Butch.
Okay, maybe not Petrino because the motorcycle incident was pretty fresh.
Taggert would've been as much of a gamble as Butch Jones or Kirby at the time. He'd gotten WKU turned around and did so so at USF.
Kirby is a better coach than Butch, and probably would have recruited better, even tho he probably wouldn't have been able to recruit at the level he has at uga. He was a hot coordinator at the time.
Jim Mora ... I mean why not give it a shot at the time. I doubt it would've been worse than Butch. (edit - okay, so i forgot about ucla)
Speaking of Butch, Butch Davis is a pretty good coach ... as long as we could've stayed out of trouble.
I remember the morning when I heard that we were going to announce Butch Jones at a press conference as the new coach, I literally felt my stomach turn. I really tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, just because he was putting on the orange, but I never was able to do more than hope.
Sorry so long ... I'm bored ... It's Covid season.
Hire an ASSISTANT from a mid-major? That would’ve sold on here.Yep hindsight Kirby was the best of the bunch. I am not sure we could've gotten him, though. We were in such a bad place we had to take a chance on a has been, like Butch Davis, or unproven like a Jones or Taggart type. Fedora turned us down. Too bad we couldn't have gotten a steal like Lincoln Riley while he was OC at ECU.
I would have taken Bobby Petrino, Bobby Bowden, Bobby Boucher or Bobby Finstock over that con man, trumpet blowing charlatan.I know hindsight is 20/20, but I think I'd rather have rolled with any of those than Butch.
Okay, maybe not Petrino because the motorcycle incident was pretty fresh.
Taggert would've been as much of a gamble as Butch Jones or Kirby at the time. He'd gotten WKU turned around and did so so at USF.
Kirby is a better coach than Butch, and probably would have recruited better, even tho he probably wouldn't have been able to recruit at the level he has at uga. He was a hot coordinator at the time.
Jim Mora ... I mean why not give it a shot at the time. I doubt it would've been worse than Butch. (edit - okay, so i forgot about ucla)
Speaking of Butch, Butch Davis is a pretty good coach ... as long as we could've stayed out of trouble.
I remember the morning when I heard that we were going to announce Butch Jones at a press conference as the new coach, I literally felt my stomach turn. I really tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, just because he was putting on the orange, but I never was able to do more than hope.
Sorry so long ... I'm bored ... It's Covid season.
I looked back and there were some decent hires, namely Mark Stoops. Just looking at what he's done at KY, imagine what he could with our resources and tradition. Another one folks forget was Matt Rhule was hired at Temple that cycle.I would have taken Bobby Petrino, Bobby Bowden, Bobby Boucher or Bobby Finstock over that con man, trumpet blowing charlatan.
It wasn't a guess for me. I wasn't against him either. I had just come to a point where I wanted to see positive proof before giving benefit of the doubt.People “who were onto him from the outset” guessed right. They weren’t privy to any more knowledge than those that were excited about the recruiting energy and embrace of relationships with alumni and high school coaches. I don’t regret hoping he was the answer, so put me on the list and go get everybody else.
Jones is what you get when the wrong people are doing the hiring... and sorting through the bargain bin to find their new coach.I looked back and there were some decent hires, namely Mark Stoops. Just looking at what he's done at KY, imagine what he could with our resources and tradition. Another one folks forget was Matt Rhule was hired at Temple that cycle.
You had your own set of indicators...I remember. You weren’t privy to any INFORMATION or set of facts unavailable to the rest of us. Guessing, determined results...pick your poison.It wasn't a guess for me. I wasn't against him either. I had just come to a point where I wanted to see positive proof before giving benefit of the doubt.
I did see things that bothered me and talked about them here. We had some arguments that do not need to be rehashed about some of those things.
One of the main things for me was his used car salesman schtick. He just wasn't "believable" to me as a coach or leader.
Stoops won 2 games his first season...followed by 5 in each of the next two. How would that have played? He recruits well for that program...would he have been able to step it up for ours? Because it would’ve been vital for him to do so.I looked back and there were some decent hires, namely Mark Stoops. Just looking at what he's done at KY, imagine what he could with our resources and tradition. Another one folks forget was Matt Rhule was hired at Temple that cycle.
Go ahead and shoot me, but I just don't get it.
Yes, Butch was in over his head. Yes, his in-game decisions were often bad. And yes, his decisions lost us a few big games.
But ... But ... But he also got us back into the spotlight. We were ranked in the Top 10 and beat Georgia and Florida in 2016. Then 2017 happened and people forgot all that came before. I was glad to see Butch go, but I have no animosity toward the guy. He was just a transition guy. So why does everyone seem to despise him so much?