Hypothetical Situation...

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BruinVol said:
Thanks. I think JW can get a job like that anytime. Even after next year if DD is fired. He could parley a big year here into an top 25-50 program type job in next year or so.
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Highly doubt it. Hell, Charlie Strong won two national titles as a DC and all he got was Louisville. You have to be coordinator for a pretty good amount of years to get a BCS job.
 
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zjcvols said:
Highly doubt it. Hell, Charlie Strong won two national titles as a DC and all he got was Louisville. You have to be coordinator for a pretty good amount of years to get a BCS job.
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There was more to that than we need to discuss here.
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zjcvols said:
Highly doubt it. Hell, Charlie Strong won two national titles as a DC and all he got was Louisville. You have to be coordinator for a pretty good amount of years to get a BCS job.
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And I doubt the Big East retains the automatic BCS bid too.
 
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BruinVol said:
There was more to that than we need to discuss here.
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If what he says is true, then yes.

Okay, better example. David Cutcliffe was coordinator for six years, and consistently coached some of the best offenses in the country, and all he could get at the time was Ole freakin Miss.
 
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justingroves said:
The last two years at USC really show it too

I'm being sarcastic just in case you don't get it.
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Yea, that's a joke. The offensive systems don't even look remotely similar. The entire running game looks completely different. If Kiffin learned something from Chaney, it appears to be to make his offense as different as possible to Chaney's.
 
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zjcvols said:
If what he says is true, then yes.

Okay, better example. David Cutcliffe was coordinator for six years, and consistently coached some of the best offenses in the country, and all he could get at the time was Ole freakin Miss.
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Yeah but again, I think there's more to it than that. There are some coordinators just not cut out for HC jobs. See Chavis.

Wilcox is highly respected, and getting another BCS DC job if something happens here would be more appealing to him than a HC job at Bowling Green, I believe. I don't see him finding that job appealing mainly due to recruiting his butt off (he hasn't been one of the coaches hitting the roads a ton and instead delegates it more to assistants). We will see though.
 
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zjcvols said:
If what he says is true, then yes.

Okay, better example. David Cutcliffe was coordinator for six years, and consistently coached some of the best offenses in the country, and all he could get at the time was Ole freakin Miss.
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Archie Manning had a lot more to do with that than Cut's resume too.

Not saying Cut couldn't have gotten a job on his own, but that's the reason he went there.
 
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justingroves said:
Archie Manning had a lot more to do with that than Cut's resume too.

Not saying Cut couldn't have gotten a job on his own, but that's the reason he went there.
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I know, just saying. Archie helped. I actually thought Cut did a decent job at Ole Miss, but that's just me.
 
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tvols75 said:
Again I think they are going nowhere just like Hubbs and Lewis do. What is hard to understand about that?
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I just enjoy watching you change the meanings of your posts from absolutes in one thread to purely your opinion in this thread to avoid being shown that you lied.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Yea, that's a joke. The offensive systems don't even look remotely similar. The entire running game looks completely different. If Kiffin learned something from Chaney, it appears to be to make his offense as different as possible to Chaney's.
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Which is it what most offensive minded coaches should do
 
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tvols75 said:
Yeah but again, I think there's more to it than that. There are some coordinators just not cut out for HC jobs. See Chavis.

Wilcox is highly respected, and getting another BCS DC job if something happens here would be more appealing to him than a HC job at Bowling Green, I believe. I don't see him finding that job appealing mainly due to recruiting his butt off (he hasn't been one of the coaches hitting the roads a ton and instead delegates it more to assistants). We will see though.
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I don't think he'll take a BGSU type job. But usually your best bet is to take a mid major job and go from there. I can only think of a couple guys right now that went from BCS DC to BCS top 30 job. Muschamp and Fischer.
 
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justingroves said:
The last two years at USC really show it too

I'm being sarcastic just in case you don't get it.
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He definitely went back to West Coast offense because the system was fit perfect for it since that's what they've always run. I wish I could find that article about the SEC coach saying we ran a very good offense because of the mixture of Lane and Chaney's offensive minds. Either way, I would admit Kiffin is a better play caller than Chaney.
 
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zjcvols said:
If what he says is true, then yes.

Okay, better example. David Cutcliffe was coordinator for six years, and consistently coached some of the best offenses in the country, and all he could get at the time was Ole freakin Miss.
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I see your point but AD's would see a coach that succeeded as a DC at Boise(years????)) And then advanced and was a very big part of a huge rebuilding job in the best league in the country. That would be very appealing to a lot of schools.
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zjcvols said:
I know, just saying. Archie helped. I actually thought Cut did a decent job at Ole Miss, but that's just me.
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He did a decent job. It was pretty clear he was brought in to bring in Eli.

After he went to the NFL, he wasn't needed.

It's ass backwards but it's Ole Miss.
 
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tvols75 said:
Not so sure about that, many BCS coordinators get amazing jobs. The SEC is full of them.
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Mullen
Muschamp
Franklin
Richt

That's all I got for SEC. Like I said, you can get a BCS job. Usually not a top 25-30 job.
 
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LawVol13 said:
This absolutely is a hypothetical. My opinion is that Dooley is unlikely to succeed here. At best, I think next year will be his last year. I see no reason to think otherwise, and if the entire staff either is fired or leaves for other jobs, that makes me feel that Dooley's failure is a near certainty. I don't take pleasure in that; I honestly like Dooley and hope he succeeds, but I don't think he will.
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And I would agree except that my definition of success at the moment is setting the table nicely for the next guy which will take a minimum of 3 years IMO. So I think Dooley will be a success unless we fire him too soon.

If we don't win games next year, he is gone. We thank him for his service and offer the job to someone else with a higher probability of the job being accepted than it would be now. Meaning we probably get a better coach than we would right now.

If we do win games next year, awesome.

The best long term solution is to wait this thing out and see where we are a year from now. No need to take unnecessary risks.
 
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zjcvols said:
I don't think he'll take a BGSU type job. But usually your best bet is to take a mid major job and go from there. I can only think of a couple guys right now that went from BCS DC to BCS top 30 job. Muschamp and Fischer.
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And both appear mediocre at best.
 
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volfan_28 said:
And I would agree except that my definition of success at the moment is setting the table nicely for the next guy which will take a minimum of 3 years IMO. So I think Dooley will be a success unless we fire him too soon.

If we don't win games next year, he is gone. We thank him for his service and offer the job to someone else with a higher probability of the job being accepted than it would be now. Meaning we probably get a better coach than we would right now.

If we do win games next year, awesome.

The best long term solution is to wait this thing out and see where we are a year from now. No need to take unnecessary risks.
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Next year is our best chance to win, period.
 
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