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chatt-townVOL said:
I know this is probably a dumb question, but don't you beat the Walkers by going to the Wall? I mean isn't that the point of the Wall? And hasn't it done its job wonderfully for lots and lots of years?
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They can technically go around, or, my guess, just have an infinite army eventually tear it down or scale it.

Plus, if these guys can raise thousands in a few seconds, put out fire by walking near it, or shatter non magical steel, who says a wall will be any threat to them?
 
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UTCVol said:
Dang, even Tyrion's guess seems like a huge overestimate to me. Jon has Longclaw; Brienne has Oathkeeper; Tommen has Widow's Wail; Sam's dad also has a Valyrian sword. I'm sure there are a few minor houses that have one and there are probably some more daggers floating around, but the pickings look pretty slim.

I'm wondering if dragonfire can actually kill a white walker; my guess is no. So they're definitely going to need more obsidian.
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If dragon glass can kill them then dragon fire can too
 
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Daloth said:
They can technically go around, or, my guess, just have an infinite army eventually tear it down or scale it.

Plus, if these guys can raise thousands in a few seconds, put out fire by walking near it, or shatter non magical steel, who says a wall will be any threat to them?
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Can't go around. I believe there's a drop off on both sides.
 
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utvols88 said:
If dragon glass can kill them then dragon fire can too
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No spoiler here, just an educated presumption but...

You know that story line is coming. And I can't wait.

I'm interested to see if they expound on the dragons anymore this season or just continue to give small bits and pieces like they've been doing.

Either way...I just watched this week's episode...holy crap...they just combined The Walking Dead with GOT and then threw in some white walker equivalent of the four horsemen of the apocalypse for good measure.

Best show anywhere.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
I know this is probably a dumb question, but don't you beat the Walkers by going to the Wall? I mean isn't that the point of the Wall? And hasn't it done its job wonderfully for lots and lots of years?
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White Walkers..pfft..they can't swim. Everyone knows this!
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
I know this is probably a dumb question, but don't you beat the Walkers by going to the Wall? I mean isn't that the point of the Wall? And hasn't it done its job wonderfully for lots and lots of years?
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If the white walkers have the horn of winter... then the wall will crumble. Mance didn't have it iirc.
 
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utvols88 said:
If the white walkers have the horn of winter... then the wall will crumble. Mance didn't have it iirc.
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correct. The possibility that the Others have possession of the real horn and that the Wall is diminishing and undermanned does not bode well for anyone.
 
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How many actual White Walkers are there? Is there an estimate? Looked like only 4 made the trip to the attack on Hardhome, and the scene where they take one of Craster's sons showed about a dozen of them in the background.

Doesn't seem like there is a huge population of them, as their army is almost entirely composed of Wights.
 
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Aesius said:
How many actual White Walkers are there? Is there an estimate? Looked like only 4 made the trip to the attack on Hardhome, and the scene where they take one of Craster's sons showed about a dozen of them in the background.

Doesn't seem like there is a huge population of them, as their army is almost entirely composed of Wights.
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Their size, from what I can tell, isn't nearly as imposing as the fact that they can't be killed unless you have two of the rarest commodities in all of the seven kingdoms and north of the wall; dragon glass or a sword made from valaryian steel. That, and when they kill you, and they will, you become one of them...which not only makes them near impossible to defeat but also makes every man, woman, and child their eventual slave/soldier.

So far, all we know if that dragon glass, valaryian steel, maybe Bran, and maybe Daenerys' dragons can defeat them...

Good grief, I'm a dork.
 
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Dany's dragons will be key to defeating the Others. I'm betting dragon fire would damage them, and we already know that the wights are susceptible to fire as it is.

Don't think there are enough Valaryian blades to count on that as a viable option.
 
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Through_The_T said:
Don't think there are enough Valaryian blades to count on that as a viable option.
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I'm not a book reader so, for those that are, this may be already known but after the last episode I was wondering how many there might be in left in the world. Yesterday I ran across this in "Ask the Maester" on Grantland.

It’s a very, very short list. Way too short to make a difference. In all of the North, we know for sure of two Valyrian weapons. Brienne, lurking outside Winterfell, has Oathkeeper — one of the two blades forged from Ice, the Stark family sword, which Tywin Lannister had melted down. And Jon, of course, has Longclaw, originally the sword of Lord Commander Mormont. The dagger used by the unnamed assassin in the attempt on Bran Stark’s life in Season 1 was Valyrian, but who knows where that thing is now.

In the rest of Westeros, things don’t look much better. There’s Heartsbane, wielded by Sam’s dad, Randyll Tarly in the Reach. Lady Forlorn is not only a country-pop trio, it’s also the name of the family sword of House Corbray of the Vale. Joffrey’s Widow’s Wail, the other sword forged from Ned Stark’s Ice, is now presumably in the possession of King Tommen, who wouldn’t cut a piece of roasted venison without asking his mother’s permission first. The tiny Iron Islands boast two Valyrian steel weapons: Nightfall is the family sword of the Harlaws, an ancient and powerful Ironborn house; and House Drumm hold Red Rain, which their ancestor Hilmar stole from some unnamed knight, thus earning Hilmar the sobriquet “The Cunning.” Finally, rumor has it that tiny and ancient House Celtigar have, among the many treasures overfilling their castle on Claw Isle, an ax of Valyrian steel.

Additionally, there are a half-dozen notable Valyrian weapons whose whereabouts are unknown. Most famous of these are the original Lannister family sword Brightroar, lost when King Tommen II disappeared in Valyria back in the day; Blackfyre, the sword of Aegon the Conqueror, which is probably in Essos somewhere; and Dark Sister, the sword of Aegon the Conqueror’s more martial sister-wife Visenya, which was last known to be held by the Targaryen great bastard Brynden Rivers. Brynden was sent to Castle Black back in 233 AC, and he eventually rose to Lord Commander. If Lord Brynden was allowed to take the sword when he took the black (which seems highly unlikely), there’s a chance he may still have it with him under the great weirwood far beyond the Wall.

As for making more Valyrian steel, dragonfire is often mentioned as being part of the process used to make the weapons, along with a careful folding of the metal and treating it with some kind of magic. So, while the reappearance of dragons theoretically makes forging new weapons possible, because of access to their fire and the reawakening of magic tied to the rebirth of the beasts, it’s the spellcasting part of the equation that remains a problem. Notably, the Targaryens — in the roughly 150 years of their nearly 300-year reign in Westeros during which they possessed multiple dragons — never forged a new Valyrian weapon. Considering the rarity of the weapons, it seems certain that they would’ve forged more steel if they knew how. Obviously, the spells used to create Valyrian steel were not well known, even among the Valyrian elite.
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For some reason I really love the idea of an ax of Valyrian steel showing up at some point, although I doubt that ever happens in the show.
 
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ToineMac said:
I think the Wall stops Walkers not wights. I think the wights purpose is to attack the Wall and create an opening for the Walkers to get through.
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Only thing that makes me wonder about that is that Coldhands can't travel through the Wall. His true nature is uncertain, though.
 
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UTCVol said:
Only thing that makes me wonder about that is that Coldhands can't travel through the Wall. His true nature is uncertain, though.
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Coldhands hasn't appeared in key moments that he was apart of in the books (killed one of the Others in the books, but Sam did in the show, guided Bran to the greenseer, but Jojen did in the show). It doesn't look like he's going to be in the show, does it? Or did I miss something?
 
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ToineMac said:
I think the Wall stops Walkers not wights. I think the wights purpose is to attack the Wall and create an opening for the Walkers to get through.
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Never thought about that, I would think the wights would be spellbound from crossing the wall too?

I know the wall was never built to stop Wildlings, which is probably what Jon should have said first when at Hardhomme.
 
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Through_The_T said:
Coldhands hasn't appeared in key moments that he was apart of in the books (killed one of the Others in the books, but Sam did in the show, guided Bran to the greenseer, but Jojen did in the show). It doesn't look like he's going to be in the show, does it? Or did I miss something?
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Someone pointed out that Benjen is casted for this season?
 
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NochNoch said:
I'm not a book reader so, for those that are, this may be already known but after the last episode I was wondering how many there might be in left in the world. Yesterday I ran across this in "Ask the Maester" on Grantland.



For some reason I really love the idea of an ax of Valyrian steel showing up at some point, although I doubt that ever happens in the show.
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So, in theory, it's entirely possible Dany could locate 1 or both of the remaining smiths in the world who know the secrets of smithing Valerian steel and use her dragons to begin mass producing the weapons again. :popcorn:
 
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Through_The_T said:
Coldhands hasn't appeared in key moments that he was apart of in the books (killed one of the Others in the books, but Sam did in the show, guided Bran to the greenseer, but Jojen did in the show). It doesn't look like he's going to be in the show, does it? Or did I miss something?
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He has been seen in season 2 or 3. I believe Bran is having one of his "episodes" and you see a bit of Coldhands on his rotting horse".
 
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