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UTCVol said:
I think Bran will be instrumental in defeating the Others (if it happens). He's being trained for something,
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I feel like if the last season doesn't have Snow, Khaleesi, and a restored Ser Jorah + Tyrion in a side car riding dragons (Probably one possessed by Bran) vs the White Walkers we miss out.

*Slight book spoilers, but its more history of Westeros than anything, it won't ruin the show for you, probably just make it better really*







Aegon the Conquerer and his two sister wives were able to conquer Westeros with essentially an average army at best and three dragons (The two largest in history, and the largest lived to be 200 and was called the Black Dread because it breathed black fire and its wingspan could eclipse small towns but still.) There were fights they massacred 5000 men with just the three dragons.

In a world where there's a handful of people who can cast minor illusion magic, and even fewer who can do stuff of Melisandre's level (and even then, its blood magic, and specific blood magic at that, so very limited) the three dragons alone could honestly conquer most of the world if they were controlled. If Bran gets in one, then its pretty much the end of anything, because we know of humans being warged both in the book and show, but never a dragon, let alone a grown dragon.

Of course.... Melisandre thinks that the guy training Bran is essentially her deity's devil, so it may not work out so well for everyone involved.
 
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So the question in mind (having not finished the books and just based on what we've seen so far) was: Did John's sword hold because it was Valyrian steel or because who was wielding the sword (the blood of kings or of First Men or of Children of the Woods).

I assume it was the former.

Not asking for the answer BTW
 
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Saw a Game of Thrones article on the front page of ESPN via Grantland. Man, that turd Bill Simmons and ESPN will pander to any crowd they can if it means more traffic. While I love Game of Thrones, wish they'd stick to sports. I can't believe ESPN is just linking reviews of stuff that's in no way sports related. The article is even titled " Game of Thrones Season 5 Episode 8". ESPN... I don't even know anymore. They may as well hire Harvey Levin to run the place.
 
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TOP said:
Saw a Game of Thrones article on the front page of ESPN via Grantland. Man, that turd Bill Simmons and ESPN will pander to any crowd they can if it means more traffic. While I love Game of Thrones, wish they'd stick to sports. I can't believe ESPN is just linking reviews of stuff that's in no way sports related. The article is even titled " Game of Thrones Season 5 Episode 8". ESPN... I don't even know anymore. They may as well hire Harvey Levin to run the place.
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First Bill Simmons doesn't work for ESPN anymore. Secondly, Grantland was always intended to be about sports and pop culture.
 
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volinbham said:
So the question in mind (having not finished the books and just based on what we've seen so far) was: Did John's sword hold because it was Valyrian steel or because who was wielding the sword (the blood of kings or of First Men or of Children of the Woods).

I assume it was the former.

Not asking for the answer BTW
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It's because Jon is Isildur's heir and the rightful king of Gondor.
 
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TOP said:
Saw a Game of Thrones article on the front page of ESPN via Grantland. Man, that turd Bill Simmons and ESPN will pander to any crowd they can if it means more traffic. While I love Game of Thrones, wish they'd stick to sports. I can't believe ESPN is just linking reviews of stuff that's in no way sports related. The article is even titled " Game of Thrones Season 5 Episode 8". ESPN... I don't even know anymore. They may as well hire Harvey Levin to run the place.
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Boston Vol said:
First Bill Simmons doesn't work for ESPN anymore. Secondly, Grantland was always intended to be about sports and pop culture.
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volinbham said:
So the question in mind (having not finished the books and just based on what we've seen so far) was: Did John's sword hold because it was Valyrian steel or because who was wielding the sword (the blood of kings or of First Men or of Children of the Woods).

I assume it was the former.

Not asking for the answer BTW
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Didn't he have a weapon that got smashed, when they first started? Anyway its because of the Valyerian steel
 
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Through_The_T said:
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Holy hell, I actually said "come at me bro" during this part.

Incredible episode, probably the most entertaining of them all
 
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If my GOT lore is accurate, Valariyan steel was forged using magic by the smiths of Old Valaria, which got wiped out by some cataclysm only known as The Doom. The surviving weapons are incredibly rare and are only owned by kings or ancient houses like the Starks. Tywin found one of the two smiths in the world who could work the steel when he melted down Ned's sword.

So for someone like Brienne to have possession of such an item is basically unheard of. I've always wondered if Jaime was too dense to truly understand what he was giving up when he gave the sword to her
 
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Hardhome is my favorite episode of the series to date. Many of you have already highlighted the brilliance of last night's episode. While Danny is focused on breaking the wheel, Arya is fulfilling insignificant duties for the Faceless Men, Sansa, Cersei, and Margery are concerned with their freedom, etc. we were given a proper perspective into what truly matters: The Winter that is coming and the White Walkers. What a thought that even the game of thrones is trivial in the grand scheme of things!

At this point, Khaleesi is our only hope. Her dragons may be the only realistic way to stop the Others. Tyrion Lannister once said in the books that, “Valyrian steel blades were scarce and costly, yet thousands remained in the world, perhaps two hundred in the Seven Kingdoms alone.” I'm afraid that it's going to take more than those weapons even if Snow is able to sweet talk all of the houses to hand over their rare and priceless weapons.
 
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SWIL said:
If my GOT lore is accurate, Valariyan steel was forged using magic by the smiths of Old Valaria, which got wiped out by some cataclysm only known as The Doom. The surviving weapons are incredibly rare and are only owned by kings or ancient houses like the Starks. Tywin found one of the two smiths in the world who could work the steel when he melted down Ned's sword.

So for someone like Brienne to have possession of such an item is basically unheard of. I've always wondered if Jaime was too dense to truly understand what he was giving up when he gave the sword to her
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The Doom was thought to have been because of their use of magic and they essentially harnessed the power of volcanoes, which erupted and killed them all, save the Targaeryns because the Khaleesi's great great grandmother (something like that, they share the same name) had a vision of The Doom and nobody but her family listened, so they were the only survivors.
 
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JohnMarxism said:
Hardhome is my favorite episode of the series to date. Many of you have already highlighted the brilliance of last night's episode. While Danny is focused on breaking the wheel, Arya is fulfilling insignificant duties for the Faceless Men, Sansa, Cersei, and Margery are concerned with their freedom, etc. we were given a proper perspective into what truly matters: The Winter that is coming and the White Walkers. What a thought that even the game of thrones is trivial in the grand scheme of things!

At this point, Khaleesi is our only hope. Her dragons may be the only realistic way to stop the Others. Tyrion Lannister once said in the books that, “Valyrian steel blades were scarce and costly, yet thousands remained in the world, perhaps two hundred in the Seven Kingdoms alone.” I'm afraid that it's going to take more than those weapons even if Snow is able to sweet talk all of the houses to hand over their rare and priceless weapons.
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Dang, even Tyrion's guess seems like a huge overestimate to me. Jon has Longclaw; Brienne has Oathkeeper; Tommen has Widow's Wail; Sam's dad also has a Valyrian sword. I'm sure there are a few minor houses that have one and there are probably some more daggers floating around, but the pickings look pretty slim.

I'm wondering if dragonfire can actually kill a white walker; my guess is no. So they're definitely going to need more obsidian.
 
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UTCVol said:
Dang, even Tyrion's guess seems like a huge overestimate to me. Jon has Longclaw; Brienne has Oathkeeper; Tommen has Widow's Wail; Sam's dad also has a Valyrian sword. I'm sure there are a few minor houses that have one and there are probably some more daggers floating around, but the pickings look pretty slim.

I'm wondering if dragonfire can actually kill a white walker; my guess is no. So they're definitely going to need more obsidian.
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If dragonfire cannot kill the white walkers then I don't see anyone south of the wall surviving. For those that didn't catch it (but I'm sure most did) the aged white walker that fought Jon Snow was able to essentially freeze over the flames from the burning house. Are all white walkers able to do this?

Back to the weapons. Let's just say hypothetically that there are in fact thousands of valaryian swords in existence AND all their respective owners hand them over thus arming those at The Wall IN TIME before the Others cross the frozen waters. Because of the increasing number of the zombie army, will that still be enough? I believe it has to come down to the dragons.
 
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JohnMarxism said:
If dragonfire cannot kill the white walkers then I don't see anyone south of the wall surviving. For those that didn't catch it (but I'm sure most did) the aged white walker that fought Jon Snow was able to essentially freeze over the flames from the burning house. Are all white walkers able to do this?

Back to the weapons. Let's just say hypothetically that there are in fact thousands of valaryian swords in existence AND all their respective owners hand them over thus arming those at The Wall IN TIME before the Others cross the frozen waters. Because of the increasing number of the zombie army, will that still be enough? I believe it has to come down to the dragons.
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I think we see Bran plus the Children of the Forest included in the final team to defeat the others. Just a guess, not a spoiler.
 
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The dragons will kill the hordes of Wights and make it impossible for the White Walkers to resurrect them. I think the Walkers themselves will have to be killed in direct combat.
 
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Jamie Lannister gave away the sword to one of the most fierce fighters in Westeros, if Jamie had two arms he would have kept it no doubt in my mind but even who knows he never will be the fighter he once was. He did the right thing.
 
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I'm excited that winter is finally coming. Jon Snow is for sure my favorite character. What a beast!
 
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YorkVol said:
I think we see Bran plus the Children of the Forest included in the final team to defeat the others. Just a guess, not a spoiler.
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I like that theory. We could easily see the children of the forest reappear in a mighty way. The large dichotomy is in the works. A Song of Ice and Fire. The ice of the White Walkers vs. The fire of the dragons. The age of the Others vs. the youth of the Children of the Forest. How appropriate that a dream of spring would be the extermination of the old generations of dead by the hands of the youth.
 
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I know this is probably a dumb question, but don't you beat the Walkers by going to the Wall? I mean isn't that the point of the Wall? And hasn't it done its job wonderfully for lots and lots of years?
 
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