Greenland

[BeardedVol]

So you think giving illegals tax payer money is ok?
You think open borders are ok?

Lol so we're pivoting away from "voting Republican is anti free stuff" to your delusions of the undocumented getting "muh taxpayer money"?

 

[mrorange211]

So you think giving illegals tax payer money is ok?
You think open borders are ok?

That's not the point he's making. The point is that both parties are socialist. It just depends on which group you belong to whether you benefit from it.

 

[tim]

Lol so we're pivoting away from "voting Republican is anti free stuff" to your delusions of the undocumented getting "muh taxpayer money"?

How’s that a pivot? Free stuff is free stuff. Able bodied Americans should be productive citizens.

 

[tim]

That's not the point he's making. The point is that both parties are socialist. It just depends on which group you belong to whether you benefit from it.

I understand the point. My point is there are things on both sides that suck, the R side sucks wayyy less

 

[tvolsfan]

I just hope that our European allies realize that most Americans are against this and that in roughly 3 years, he won't be president anymore.

Ideally, but they’re getting tired of waiting for our people to do the right thing.

 

[mrorange211]

How’s that a pivot? Free stuff is free stuff. Able bodied Americans should be productive citizens.

and corporations that exist BECAUSE of America should not have subsidies from me, a taxpayer.

 

[tim]

and corporations that exist BECAUSE of America should not have subsidies from me, a taxpayer.

True.

 

[mrorange211]

I understand the point. My point is there are things on both sides that suck, the R side sucks wayyy less

Yeah? You think so? It was because of a Democrat and the New Deal that the Tennessee Valley wasn't destroyed during Hurricane Helene. That "socialist" program saved my community.

 

[hog88]

I just hope that our European allies realize that most Americans are against this and that in roughly 3 years, he won't be president anymore.

While I'm opposed to the way Trump is going about this Greenland folly, I do need to be reminded why we should GAF about Europe realizes?

 

[tim]

Yeah? You think so? It was because of a Democrat and the New Deal that the Tennessee Valley wasn't destroyed during Hurricane Helene. That "socialist" program saved my community.

Compared to now? The green new deal? How’d that save you?

 

[mrorange211]

While I'm opposed to the way Trump is going about this Greenland folly, I do need to be reminded why we should GAF about Europe realizes?

Total goods and services exchanged between the EU and USA are around $1.5 trillion per year.

 

[hog88]

Total goods and services exchanged between the EU and USA are around $1.5 trillion per year.

Ok, you think Europe is going to stop trading with us?

 

[Matt2496]

While I'm opposed to the way Trump is going about this Greenland folly, I do need to be reminded why we should GAF about Europe realizes?

Mainly due to trade. I don't want a Europe that is closer to China.

 

[mrorange211]

Ok, you think Europe is going to stop trading with us?

No. Just telling why we care about what they do. They can pivot to other markets.

 

[Matt2496]

Ok, you think Europe is going to stop trading with us?

Obviously they won't stop all trade, but I don't want a strengthened China due to European ties. Burning bridges with Europe makes Chinese influence stronger IMO.

 

[hog88]

Obviously they won't stop all trade, but I don't want a strengthened China due to European ties. Burning bridges with Europe makes Chinese influence stronger IMO.

For a good while now China has been Europe's #1 importer, they far outpace us in imports to the continent. If it weren't for our oil/gas exports to Europe we'd be barely a blip on their radar when it comes to buying. Europe continues to buy less American made goods while we have increased imports of European goods.

 

[mrorange211]

For a good while now China has been Europe's #1 importer, they far outpace us in imports to the continent. If it weren't for our oil/gas exports to Europe we'd be barely a blip on their radar when it comes to buying. Europe continues to buy less American made goods while we have increased imports of European goods.

What point are you making exactly?

 

[hog88]

What point are you making exactly?

I think we as a country care too much about what our "allies" think and we should when appropriate flex our economic muscle more often.

 

[Matt2496]

For a good while now China has been Europe's #1 importer, they far outpace us in imports to the continent. If it weren't for our oil/gas exports to Europe we'd be barely a blip on their radar when it comes to buying. Europe continues to buy less American made goods while we have increased imports of European goods.

I see what you're saying and it's a valid point. I still don't think that gives us license to just burn bridges with them though. Increased issues with Europe will just drive them even further towards China. I wouldn't want to impact what trade we do have.

 

[hog88]

I see what you're saying and it's a valid point. I still don't think that gives us license to just burn bridges with them though. Increased issues with Europe will just drive them even further towards China. I don't want to impact what trade we do have.

As long as Europe relies on our military might we should be a little more forceful in our dealings with them. Our taxes allow Europe to act like pompous asses.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Pretty much what was discussed years ago, seems plausible to a degree. I doubt there is much Russia wants much to do with Europe minus Scandinavian and a few Eastern countries.

Opinion: The Trump-Putin Pact – Betrayal of Free World Alliance Threatens Global Catastrophe

War in Ukraine

This all starts when Europe finally figures out the United States isn't there friend. Europe is going to suffer for decades to come either way.

Back to the da pootin is our friend.

 

[NorthDallas40]

With this latest example of self absorbed childish ridiculous behavior can we finally all admit the two party system has failed miserably and start to seriously consider a third party choice?

 

[tvolsfan]

With this latest example of self absorbed childish ridiculous behavior can we finally all admit the two party system has failed miserably and start to seriously consider a third party choice?

That won’t happen (not in a meaningful way, at least) until we replace our electoral system.

 

[tvolsfan]

What point are you making exactly?

Ultimately, he’s trying to downplay the effects of Trump’s buffoonish behavior.

 

[NorthDallas40]

That won’t happen (not in a meaningful way, at least) until we replace our electoral system.

Oh I know it won’t but a girl can dream!

Also while yes I was pointing at the POTUS office my comment was about all federal political offices in general.