Greenland

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MontyPython said:
Moot point. And wrong. The United States is *obligated* to defend Greenland from any invaders. If we break our commitment to NATO, then the world order is out the window. Our allies are no longer our allies.

Are we going to attack our own allies like Denmark? Jesus Christ. How arrogant and amazingly stupid that would be. And what for? You ready to send your children or grandchildren in harms way to potentially die for a war over Greenland? Really?

You really support that?

Russians, in particular, would be dancing in the streets.

Who's next in the merry fantasyland of King Trump... Panama? Canada? This kind of absurd rhetoric is obscene. All coming from the Orange Menace who promised you "no new wars".

If Trump were to actually follow through on his empty threats and take Greenland by force, we'd see IMMENSE blowback from not only every country that has been our ally, but also from within our own country. Vietnam protests wouldn't hold a candle to the wave of protests that would ensue.

But now you support open warfare against our own allies, huh?

And, oh BTW, the US is the only country to have ever used Article 5 of NATO following 9/11.

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You really need to eat a Snickers.
 
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MontyPython said:
No way on God's green earth are you suggesting with a straight face that Denmark doesn't invoke Article 5 if Trump invaded Greenland.

And if Trump doesn't really mean what he's threatening, how about don't do it.
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Why do you think it would take an 'invasion'?

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NEXTA

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Trump Is Preparing a Major Deal on Greenland

The U.S. administration is developing a draft agreement with Greenland that could be offered directly to the island’s authorities, according to The Economist.

The proposal involves a Free Association Agreement — a framework in which the United States provides funding and guarantees improvements in living standards, while the partner hands over defense matters to Washington, retaining internal self-government.

The U.S. already operates under similar arrangements with Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, and Palau.

According to the magazine, Trump’s strategy has two main goals.

The first is to deepen divisions between Greenland and Denmark.

The second is to open direct negotiations with the island, bypassing Copenhagen.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Correct. Seems like the majority of Venezuelans are celebrating being oppressed!
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Venezuelans are flooding Youtube to tell these liberals to STFU and mind their own business. Heck, it sounds like they're flooding protests and telling them to their face to STFU and mind their own business.
 
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jmacvols1 said:
NEXTA
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Trump Is Preparing a Major Deal on Greenland

The U.S. administration is developing a draft agreement with Greenland that could be offered directly to the island’s authorities, according to The Economist.

The proposal involves a Free Association Agreement — a framework in which the United States provides funding and guarantees improvements in living standards, while the partner hands over defense matters to Washington, retaining internal self-government.

The U.S. already operates under similar arrangements with Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, and Palau.

According to the magazine, Trump’s strategy has two main goals.

The first is to deepen divisions between Greenland and Denmark.

The second is to open direct negotiations with the island, bypassing Copenhagen.
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He's giving them an offer, they can't refuse... ask Maduro. 😂
 
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LSU-SIU said:
He's giving them an offer, they can't refuse... ask Maduro. 😂
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They would be dumb not to take the offer. If NATO and Denmark are truly concerned about the defense of all NATO territory including Greenland then they would accept Trump's deal. Not accepting proves they have no real concern over Greenland...evidently Denmark just wants to own Greenland out of arrogance showing no true concern for the people of Greenland. Trump is willing to raise their standard of living something Denmark has not, will not do. And Greenland remains self-governing with the full defense of the US military.

I would go a step further and say if the deal is refused US leaves NATO and European countries defend themselves with their own money. And if Russia or China make any kind of move on Greenland then Greenland will for a fact become part of the US regardless of what Denmark says for Denmark really has no concern about US vital security interests. Cannot have Russia, China, Iran in the backyard of the US.
 
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jmacvols1 said:
They would be dumb not to take the offer. If NATO and Denmark are truly concerned about the defense of all NATO territory including Greenland then they would accept Trump's deal. Not accepting proves they have no real concern over Greenland...evidently Denmark just wants to own Greenland out of arrogance showing no true concern for the people of Greenland. Trump is willing to raise their standard of living something Denmark has not, will not do. And Greenland remains self-governing with the full defense of the US military.

I would go a step further and say if the deal is refused US leaves NATO and European countries defend themselves with their own money. And if Russia or China make any kind of move on Greenland then Greenland will for a fact become part of the US regardless of what Denmark says for Denmark really has no concern about US vital security interests. Cannot have Russia, China, Iran in the backyard of the US.
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Basically agree, but financial promises probably aren't worth much going forward.
 
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jmacvols1 said:
NEXTA
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Trump Is Preparing a Major Deal on Greenland

The U.S. administration is developing a draft agreement with Greenland that could be offered directly to the island’s authorities, according to The Economist.

The proposal involves a Free Association Agreement — a framework in which the United States provides funding and guarantees improvements in living standards, while the partner hands over defense matters to Washington, retaining internal self-government.

The U.S. already operates under similar arrangements with Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, and Palau.

According to the magazine, Trump’s strategy has two main goals.

The first is to deepen divisions between Greenland and Denmark.

The second is to open direct negotiations with the island, bypassing Copenhagen.
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The Greenlanders should do a fact finding mission to those three places before deciding.
 
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jmacvols1 said:
They would be dumb not to take the offer. If NATO and Denmark are truly concerned about the defense of all NATO territory including Greenland then they would accept Trump's deal. Not accepting proves they have no real concern over Greenland...evidently Denmark just wants to own Greenland out of arrogance showing no true concern for the people of Greenland. Trump is willing to raise their standard of living something Denmark has not, will not do. And Greenland remains self-governing with the full defense of the US military.

I would go a step further and say if the deal is refused US leaves NATO and European countries defend themselves with their own money. And if Russia or China make any kind of move on Greenland then Greenland will for a fact become part of the US regardless of what Denmark says for Denmark really has no concern about US vital security interests. Cannot have Russia, China, Iran in the backyard of the US.
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That's a real spin. How does Denmark fall short in supporting Greenlanders' standard of living? Why should we spend money to support them while cutting quality of life programs domestically?
 
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MontyPython said:
Danish people are not Dutch.🙄

And oppressive? We just abducted the President of Venezuela.

We are the oppressors of the world.
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Does that mean Trump will be collecting Biden's $25m bounty he put on Maduro's head. I'm confused.

This is the same Maduro that lost the election, then the guy that won had to flee to Spain in exile to live ??? Other than being a dictator, he is not the duely elected leader of the country ??? Still confused. Did we abduct the rightful president of a country, or a defeated president that threw out the election and refused to vacate a position he was not elected to.
 
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EasternVol said:
That's a real spin. How does Denmark fall short in supporting Greenlanders' standard of living? Why should we spend money to support them while cutting quality of life programs domestically?
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about 20% of Greenland is in poverty, Denmark spends a whopping $550,000 USD a year in Greenland. 500 million is nothing compared to the billions the left steals fraudulently. Cutting able-bodied people who can work from SNAP, cutting fraud from all these programs is not cutting quality of life. Quality of life is being cut from taxpayers who are paying for the fraud.


Compared to western standards much of Greenland is in significant poverty.

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"Compared to many Western standards, Greenland faces significant poverty, with high rates of food insecurity, inadequate housing, and lack of basic services in remote areas, despite its resource wealth and substantial Danish aid, creating stark socioeconomic disparities between towns and settlements
. While urban areas like Nuuk have more European living standards, a large portion of the population, especially in small settlements, struggles with food access and essential infrastructure, with poverty rates even exceeding the EU average in some measures.
Denmark provides Greenland with an annual subsidy, often cited around $500 million USD (or DKK 3.9 billion), which is a significant portion of Greenland's budget, covering foreign affairs, defense, and providing welfare benefits like healthcare and education, though Greenland seeks greater economic independence."
 
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EasternVol said:
The Greenlanders should do a fact finding mission to those three places before deciding.
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Trump is for what is in the vital security interests of the US therefore the left must take a stand against what is in the vital security interests of the US


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Greenland - As viewed from a proper map

Why Greenland?

Well because Moscow bases almost all of their strategic military assets on the Kola Peninsula next to Finland. This is where the Russian ICBM silos, submarine bases, and their strategic bombers are.

If you look at the flight path (ballistic or powered) from Kola to anywhere on the lower 48, then everything goes over Greenland.

Greenland is the theatre where any strategic exchange between Washington and Moscow is contested.

If you want to intercept a ballistic missile, the best point to do so is at the apogee, at the top of the flight path. The shortest route for an interceptor to get to an apogee is from directly below the apogee.

That’s where Greenland is.

So, without stating what should happen here, this is **why** the Trump administration says they **need** Greenland for national security.

The other thing that is happening is that the Northern Passage through the Arctic is opening up, and soon there will be Chinese cargo ships sailing through the Arctic to Rotterdam. It’s faster than the Suez and the ships aren’t limited to Suezmax size so China and EU trade is going to accelerate a lot.

This means Chinese submarines will also be venturing under the Arctic into the Northern Atlantic, IF THEY AREN’T ALREADY DOING SO.

Hence, the North East coast of Greenland serves not 1 but 2 critical strategic security objectives of US national security.

If this wasn’t clear to you, please understand that the Mercator global map projection is for children and journalists only. It is not a useful guide to where any countries or territories actually are in the real world that we live in. No self respecting adult should be using Mercator for their worldview. Anyone saying “there must be some other secret reason for Trump being interested in Greenland” is a certified ignoramus.

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Could it be the EU does not want Trump to have control of Greenland where Trump could regulate cargo ships that go through the Northwest passage to Europe?
 
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jmacvols1 said:
about 20% of Greenland is in poverty, Denmark spends a whopping $550,000 USD a year in Greenland. 500 million is nothing compared to the billions the left steals fraudulently. Cutting able-bodied people who can work from SNAP, cutting fraud from all these programs is not cutting quality of life. Quality of life is being cut from taxpayers who are paying for the fraud.


Compared to western standards much of Greenland is in significant poverty.

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"Compared to many Western standards, Greenland faces significant poverty, with high rates of food insecurity, inadequate housing, and lack of basic services in remote areas, despite its resource wealth and substantial Danish aid, creating stark socioeconomic disparities between towns and settlements
. While urban areas like Nuuk have more European living standards, a large portion of the population, especially in small settlements, struggles with food access and essential infrastructure, with poverty rates even exceeding the EU average in some measures.
Denmark provides Greenland with an annual subsidy, often cited around $500 million USD (or DKK 3.9 billion), which is a significant portion of Greenland's budget, covering foreign affairs, defense, and providing welfare benefits like healthcare and education, though Greenland seeks greater economic independence."
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No mention of bootstraps, or cutting corruption. You know we're broke, right?
Greenland has a high poverty rate because a lot of people there have a subsistence lifestyle in a harsh environment. If that's what they want, there's nothing wrong with it.
Do you think throwing money there will get them out of poverty permanently? If so, how?
Your wanting high welfare benefits for Greenlanders while domestic social programs are cut would be puzzling if you weren't such an obvious Trump minion.
 
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