Gotta read this.

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warrior said:
It's absolutely true. His brother is the Governor and head of the board. Currie was hand picked by him. Literally walked into the room, said this guy here is AD. I don't even think he was interviewed by the hiring committee. And it was done. At least that's the story of many in the situation.

Furthermore, Haslam had already tried to hire Schiano for the Browns. Apparently he owes him something. I am thinking hush money.
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Can u imagine UT being so corrupt and messed up they let a corrupt booster install an AD based on one booster "owing him something" and doing so in order to keep him quiet about some wrongdoing?

Not saying I believe that...but I sure as heck don't immediately discount it either.
 
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MyVolsDropped said:
What bothers me is Fulmer signed off on Doeren and is now AD. Why would he do that?!

Is anyone else not a bit concerned?

What if now he just goes and pulls some average Joe off the street just to say we have a football coach.
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It concerns the hell out of me because Doeren sucks.
 
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AllVolCincy said:
For the love of all things holy. The sheer number of gullible folks in these threads is mind-numbing.
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How can you say this considering the events we witnessed this week.

It's obvious a huge booster war occurred and at the very least the Haslams were weakened.

Now maybe everything he said isn't true. But most of it passes the smell test.
 
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KBVol said:
Agree. Most everything the OP stated was logical and, in fact, included much of what I’ve heard other trusted media say in bits in pieces.

I was with him on everything except the Gruden stuff. AT NO POINT in time were we even remotely close on our dear beloved planet earth to having Jon Gruden become our head coach.
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And you know this how? Are you some super insider? Because a few weeks ago even Hubbs reported he heard they had a done deal with Gruden from some folks though he didn't believe it. Same with pessimistic insider LWS.

I think this is just you being the negative pessimist. Same as in 2016 when you said there was no way we would beat Florida because of a mental hurdle.

You're just one of those guys who tries to not get his hopes up on anything that is really good for Tennessee for fear of disappointment. That's all this Gruden thing is.
 
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RollerVol said:
clickbait...I find this very hard to believe...true businessmen/boosters really wouldn't want the general public/fans to really know about the workings of their inner sanctum, much less discussing exact financial business/booster terms with the masses and it's written too well for it to be nothing less than a fake trying to slander the intended victims...sounds likes political/financial/ sabotage against the Haslams, for whom I have no true love for either, but this is pure trash...:twocents:...:peace2:

PS. all legends are grounded in a grain of the truth, but this is ridiculous...please somebody prove me wrong...and I don't mean a twitter novel...:):)

GO VOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'll have to disagree on this. The power brokers don't speak to the masses. But they do speak to a few confidants and those people talk to their underlings who then pass it on to the masses.

I once was in a similar position. I was an intern in Washington a few years ago. My position wasn't important. Neither was my direct boss. However, my boss's boss had a direct line to President Obama. And my boss learned a story from his boss about a juicy detail related to why President Obama had such a terrible debate against Romney that first debate in 2012. So we're at a party and people are drinking, the terrible debate performance by President Obama is brought up and my boss spills a juicy detail of why that happened because he knew folks in the administration that were helping Obama prepare.

So here I am just an intern who is taking a semester off school in Washington and learning a nugget about the President that even the mainstream press didn't know (or most likely weren't gonna report).

It's not impossible to believe that someone who isn't very important could learn something like this. I know this from personal experience.
 
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CDCman said:
This was a post from UT booster on Twitter. Interesting read. Fact or Fiction??



Here's what REALLY happened at UT, not what you saw & heard at the press conference:
Remember that you read this here first:
Ergen, Thornton, & Davis, among others, had enough of Haslam's pick for AD botching the coaching hire & embarrassing our/their alma mater. It was becoming a bad reflection on them as businessmen to be portrayed in such a bad light nationally, since they are known to be prominent donors to UT.
They gave Davenport an ultimatum & she called Currie in off the road. He went anyway on a plane owned by one of his KSU donors at his former school, which is why no one could find him or contact him yesterday.
Peyton had aligned himself with the Haslams, & one rumor is that he has been offered a piece of the Browns to run them when they inevitably clean house for the second time at the end of the season. Other rumors abound that the Haslams have promised the Mannings they will help them be able to acquire another NFL franchise or a piece of one.
Leach is really interested in this job, but probably won't get it now. That's a real shame, because he & Kiffin are the two best coaches we could have hired, & Spurrier said so today on Finebaum. They know how to recruit & build a staff & run offenses that deploy their weapons to the utmost on the field.
Just a few hours ago, it was Haslam & Manning aligned on one side, pitted against Ergen, Thornton, & Davis on the other. They contacted Fulmer, who met them at the airport. Haslam & Manning wanted Sigmon named interim AD. The others wanted Fulmer & said they were ending their donations if he wasn't given the job on some basis.
Ergen was giving $35M annually to UT when Fulmer was here as coach & has only given $10M annually since. He told UT he would make up for any shortfall in what the Haslams may withhold.
You can tell that Davenport is in way over her head in this job & was visibly shaken at the press conference. She didn't know how to answer any of the questions.
The reason Currie didn't use a search firm is that he was given a list of 3 coaches to interview by Haslam that Davenport signed off on. In order, they were 1. Gruden, 2. Kelly, & 3. Schiano. Gruden was already signed & ready to come, as some of these other boosters had already gotten his agreement, but Haslam nixed the hire because Gruden wanted total control of the program like Saban has at Bama & Meyer at OSU, & Haslam was determined not to let go of his control of everything.
By the time Currie got to Kelly, he had already been approached by both Florida & UCLA, & had decided to go to one of those places. Currie went to the Bahamas knowing he was going to offer Schiano when he got back home. It was only when the firestorm hit on Sunday that Currie had to go beyond the original Haslam list, which is when we got started getting turned down by so many others. Currie made a last ditch attempt to save his job by going for Leach, but he wasn't authorized by Haslam or Davenport to be contacted.
Now, the rest of this is speculation, but maybe more educated guess than conjecture:
Cutcliffe, now age 63, & Miles, age 64, will be the two top targets now for HC, with Tee Martin as OC brought in under either of them & groomed to be their successor. That's the plan. Might involve Chavis or Steele as DC. Should have a hire within 48 hours.
Not sure where they will go if this plan doesn't fall through. Only thing that bothers me about Fulmer in this search is that there will probably be no "outside the box" thinking & any new blood other than Tee. Also, he went with Currie to interview Doeren in NC & had signed off on his hire, which would have been a disastrous hire, so it was just fortuitous for us that he turned us down.
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I have heard the grumor that we had an agreement if we would give him complete control. If true which I doubt why not go back to him and say ok now that Haslam has been ousted? Just a Grumor being a grumor they are like coaching search herpes just can’t get rid of.
 
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Why does Haslam have so much say/pull in all of this? When it says Ergen would make up for what was lost if they got rid of Haslam...and it looks like Ergen is worth 5x more than Haslem...so why is he so important?
 
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#112
lilkhmerkid4u said:
Why does Haslam have so much say/pull in all of this? When it says Ergen would make up for what was lost if they got rid of Haslam...and it looks like Ergen is worth 5x more than Haslem...so why is he so important?
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Have you ever watched the Godfather?

GBO!!
 
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#113
Sounds like the prediction I made on here yesterday. It's going to be Miles with Martin as coach in-waiting. Miles is old, so that title should entice Tee.
Hope he's ready, though. Les rarely had a good offense, even with some stud players.
 
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#114
I can tell you from being a family friend of both Fulmer and a donor... That there are great chunks of this that I can confirm as true... Gruden was a very tightly sealed case so on that front I can't truly confirm much.... However I know about the airport meeting and Currie situation... And I'm glad another booster posted it to kinda clear Fulmers name.... I can also tell you that Fulmer did sign off on Doeren because of the situation that Currie as Davenport got in... He thought he would bring stability to a program that was extremely unstable.... (That also should show his intentions about not undermining currie) anyways... The last part is speculation however I wouldn't rule out either option... And I am also not so sure he will nix any "newcomer" he just knows how to win in the SEC and should count for something....
 
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#115
So, how many buildings / programs are named after Haslam now, and how many are named after Ergen? Seems clear why he has the pull that he has. He bought it and Ergen didn't. I'm surprised that it's not called the University of Haslam ... yet. So, how do you turn the tide that has been 30+ years in the making? (Jail?)
 
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CDCman said:
This was a post from UT booster on Twitter. Interesting read. Fact or Fiction??



Here's what REALLY happened at UT, not what you saw & heard at the press conference:
Remember that you read this here first:
Ergen, Thornton, & Davis, among others, had enough of Haslam's pick for AD botching the coaching hire & embarrassing our/their alma mater. It was becoming a bad reflection on them as businessmen to be portrayed in such a bad light nationally, since they are known to be prominent donors to UT.
They gave Davenport an ultimatum & she called Currie in off the road. He went anyway on a plane owned by one of his KSU donors at his former school, which is why no one could find him or contact him yesterday.
Peyton had aligned himself with the Haslams, & one rumor is that he has been offered a piece of the Browns to run them when they inevitably clean house for the second time at the end of the season. Other rumors abound that the Haslams have promised the Mannings they will help them be able to acquire another NFL franchise or a piece of one.
Leach is really interested in this job, but probably won't get it now. That's a real shame, because he & Kiffin are the two best coaches we could have hired, & Spurrier said so today on Finebaum. They know how to recruit & build a staff & run offenses that deploy their weapons to the utmost on the field.
Just a few hours ago, it was Haslam & Manning aligned on one side, pitted against Ergen, Thornton, & Davis on the other. They contacted Fulmer, who met them at the airport. Haslam & Manning wanted Sigmon named interim AD. The others wanted Fulmer & said they were ending their donations if he wasn't given the job on some basis.
Ergen was giving $35M annually to UT when Fulmer was here as coach & has only given $10M annually since. He told UT he would make up for any shortfall in what the Haslams may withhold.
You can tell that Davenport is in way over her head in this job & was visibly shaken at the press conference. She didn't know how to answer any of the questions.
The reason Currie didn't use a search firm is that he was given a list of 3 coaches to interview by Haslam that Davenport signed off on. In order, they were 1. Gruden, 2. Kelly, & 3. Schiano. Gruden was already signed & ready to come, as some of these other boosters had already gotten his agreement, but Haslam nixed the hire because Gruden wanted total control of the program like Saban has at Bama & Meyer at OSU, & Haslam was determined not to let go of his control of everything.
By the time Currie got to Kelly, he had already been approached by both Florida & UCLA, & had decided to go to one of those places. Currie went to the Bahamas knowing he was going to offer Schiano when he got back home. It was only when the firestorm hit on Sunday that Currie had to go beyond the original Haslam list, which is when we got started getting turned down by so many others. Currie made a last ditch attempt to save his job by going for Leach, but he wasn't authorized by Haslam or Davenport to be contacted.
Now, the rest of this is speculation, but maybe more educated guess than conjecture:
Cutcliffe, now age 63, & Miles, age 64, will be the two top targets now for HC, with Tee Martin as OC brought in under either of them & groomed to be their successor. That's the plan. Might involve Chavis or Steele as DC. Should have a hire within 48 hours.
Not sure where they will go if this plan doesn't fall through. Only thing that bothers me about Fulmer in this search is that there will probably be no "outside the box" thinking & any new blood other than Tee. Also, he went with Currie to interview Doeren in NC & had signed off on his hire, which would have been a disastrous hire, so it was just fortuitous for us that he turned us down.
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So since Haslam lost control and Gruden was willing... why not go back to Gruden?
 
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#117
I do agree on Ergen, Thornton, & Davis but another big participant was Anderson.

Outside that..............mostly conjecture. Lord knows there hasn't been enough of that lately....

That is the only thing that scares me about Fulmer. You could make a case where a series of Bad Coaching hires at OC and DC lead to his demise. His record of hiring Coaches hasn't been good.

I can imagine NO scenario where Cutty would return??
 
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#120
Volador said:
Good Read - fictional or not. My thoughts though are:

Now that Davenport and the Board of Trustees are finally involved with this search, WHY can't we go back to Gruden and say "the team is yours - you have all power to do as you please" ??
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Exactly what I was thinking.

If there's any truth to this, it makes zero sense not to go back to it.

The part about Phil not thinking outside the box is spot on.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I'll have to disagree on this. The power brokers don't speak to the masses. But they do speak to a few confidants and those people talk to their underlings who then pass it on to the masses.

I once was in a similar position. I was an intern in Washington a few years ago. My position wasn't important. Neither was my direct boss. However, my boss's boss had a direct line to President Obama. And my boss learned a story from his boss about a juicy detail related to why President Obama had such a terrible debate against Romney that first debate in 2012. So we're at a party and people are drinking, the terrible debate performance by President Obama is brought up and my boss spills a juicy detail of why that happened because he knew folks in the administration that were helping Obama prepare.

So here I am just an intern who is taking a semester off school in Washington and learning a nugget about the President that even the mainstream press didn't know (or most likely weren't gonna report).

It's not impossible to believe that someone who isn't very important could learn something like this. I know this from personal experience.
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Ok I’ll be the one to ask. What was it that threw Obama off? Cause he was off that night.
 
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#122
I’m undecided if I should place tin foil on my head and then go back and read the first post.
 
#123
#123
Give Gruden FULL CONTROL and let’s start competing for National Championships!!!
 
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#124
CDCman said:
This was a post from UT booster on Twitter. Interesting read. Fact or Fiction??



Here's what REALLY happened at UT, not what you saw & heard at the press conference:
Remember that you read this here first:
Ergen, Thornton, & Davis, among others, had enough of Haslam's pick for AD botching the coaching hire & embarrassing our/their alma mater. It was becoming a bad reflection on them as businessmen to be portrayed in such a bad light nationally, since they are known to be prominent donors to UT.
They gave Davenport an ultimatum & she called Currie in off the road. He went anyway on a plane owned by one of his KSU donors at his former school, which is why no one could find him or contact him yesterday.
Peyton had aligned himself with the Haslams, & one rumor is that he has been offered a piece of the Browns to run them when they inevitably clean house for the second time at the end of the season. Other rumors abound that the Haslams have promised the Mannings they will help them be able to acquire another NFL franchise or a piece of one.
Leach is really interested in this job, but probably won't get it now. That's a real shame, because he & Kiffin are the two best coaches we could have hired, & Spurrier said so today on Finebaum. They know how to recruit & build a staff & run offenses that deploy their weapons to the utmost on the field.
Just a few hours ago, it was Haslam & Manning aligned on one side, pitted against Ergen, Thornton, & Davis on the other. They contacted Fulmer, who met them at the airport. Haslam & Manning wanted Sigmon named interim AD. The others wanted Fulmer & said they were ending their donations if he wasn't given the job on some basis.
Ergen was giving $35M annually to UT when Fulmer was here as coach & has only given $10M annually since. He told UT he would make up for any shortfall in what the Haslams may withhold.
You can tell that Davenport is in way over her head in this job & was visibly shaken at the press conference. She didn't know how to answer any of the questions.
The reason Currie didn't use a search firm is that he was given a list of 3 coaches to interview by Haslam that Davenport signed off on. In order, they were 1. Gruden, 2. Kelly, & 3. Schiano. Gruden was already signed & ready to come, as some of these other boosters had already gotten his agreement, but Haslam nixed the hire because Gruden wanted total control of the program like Saban has at Bama & Meyer at OSU, & Haslam was determined not to let go of his control of everything.
By the time Currie got to Kelly, he had already been approached by both Florida & UCLA, & had decided to go to one of those places. Currie went to the Bahamas knowing he was going to offer Schiano when he got back home. It was only when the firestorm hit on Sunday that Currie had to go beyond the original Haslam list, which is when we got started getting turned down by so many others. Currie made a last ditch attempt to save his job by going for Leach, but he wasn't authorized by Haslam or Davenport to be contacted.
Now, the rest of this is speculation, but maybe more educated guess than conjecture:
Cutcliffe, now age 63, & Miles, age 64, will be the two top targets now for HC, with Tee Martin as OC brought in under either of them & groomed to be their successor. That's the plan. Might involve Chavis or Steele as DC. Should have a hire within 48 hours.
Not sure where they will go if this plan doesn't fall through. Only thing that bothers me about Fulmer in this search is that there will probably be no "outside the box" thinking & any new blood other than Tee. Also, he went with Currie to interview Doeren in NC & had signed off on his hire, which would have been a disastrous hire, so it was just fortuitous for us that he turned us down.
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Can someone summarize? I didn’t come here to play school.
 
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