Good thread from UF message board

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AFL2008 said:
You know what is hilarious? Every year, someone beats UF or plays them close and then everyone says, "Now the SEC has the blue print to stop the spread".

But no one has stopped it consistently. So, I don't get it, do people like, misplace the blue print or something?

The blue print has always been the same. Keep them in front of you, tackle well, and pressure Tebow. Some teams have the personnel to do that better than others.
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You will understand next year.
 
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#105
BeecherVol said:
If I was a gator, I would be worried about not being able to stop a running game that you saw coming a mile away. Our RBs are comparable to Bama's, but their OL and passing game are better.

And their D ain't no slouch either.

Go on thinking it was the flu, or a bad day, or UM being conservative, or even CLK playing not to lose. Ya'll got some issues that must be fixed before you win the conference.
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Florida "couldn't stop" UT's running game?? 117 yards at 3.7 ypc is hardly what I would call a dominating performance.

The fact that you have an OL with 4 SRs starting and two really good RBs and ONLY got 117 yards should worry UT fans, not UF fans.

The flu thing I could give a crap about. No one knows how bad it was for each individual player so there's no way to calculate it. Demps looked plenty quick on the TD run he had, but only had 4 carries so he must have been feeling it to some degree (no pun intended).

To me Florida's worst problem is depth at WR. If Cooper or Thompson aren't in there, we have to run B James and Nelson out there all game long. James is one hell of a returner, but as a Florida fan, even I can acknowledge that he's not a great RB or WR due to his size. He's also dropped a few balls already this year. Nelson is overrated IMO. He's made plays as a #3 or #4 option because he gets to go up against #3 or #4 DBs. Now that he's more of a known guy he's not going anything. Great kid, but David Nelson is not a guy we want as a primary target.

I don't know if it would be classified as a concern or just an anomoly or what, but I do question why Florida didn't go downfield at all. I recall only one pass longer than 12-15 yards and it was dropped, I think by Cooper. Maybe it was Meyer keeping it close to the vest because he thought he had enough of a lead to sit on and maybe hope for an INT or some other UT mistake to get points out of (which didn't happen, as it turns out).

I was happy overall. My disappointment isn't in the point spread at the end, but more the perception that fans will have about the game. Whether or not you want to admint it, Tebow is one of the best protectors of the football in the game. His turnover percentage against UT has got to be double or even triple what it is against everyone else so I don't expect that to hold much weight with you guys on this board. The Tebow fumble was "the play of the game" though, you have to admit. If it wasn't for that play, UF probably goes up 30-6 and maybe UT gets deflated, starts calling more pass plays and maybe Crompton gets picked and it's a blowout.

I give UT credit for taking advantage of a Florida defense that was a little bit on its heels at that point, for going right down and punching it in. While the score may not show it, Florida did actually perform better overall than last year.

As for next year, I wouldn't get too excited about Tebow leaving. Not because I think Brantley is going to be as good, but he's pretty darn good, and you guys are going to be breaking in a whole new OL and QB and you know as well as I or any other SEC fan knows, that's NEVER a good combination to have to replace in the same year. In 2-3 years I can see UT and UF really having to duke it out like the old days...heck, UT may even win one again:dunno:
 
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#106
penleydr said:
Florida "couldn't stop" UT's running game?? 117 yards at 3.7 ypc is hardly what I would call a dominating performance......
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Considering that we have NO passing game, are 1 dimensional (run), and FL loaded 8 in the box all game; I would say that you are wrong.
 
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#107
gdeck68 said:
You will understand next year.
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I would love to think CLK will be ahead of schedule and have the horses to beat UF next year... but in honesty I doubt it. Probably 2011. OTOH, you never know how the dynamics will change without Tebow. I certainly didn't expect Harvin's departure to impact them as much as it did. IMHO, UF's other runners would have never gotten room if Tebow hadn't started keeping the ball. Until he did, they were getting stuffed. UF should lose a number of defensive players after this year. Both teams will have youth and unknowns next year. Stephens vs Brantley shouldn't be the mismatch that JC vs TT was.
 
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#108
AFL2008 said:
So let the media, who built up the unrealistic 28 point blowout expectations say that UF is overrated.
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I think that Tebow, Meyer, and the rest of the Gator faithful had a hand in inflating their own expectations. You can't pin this one solely on the media, and the actions of Meyer, Tebow, et al after the game back me up.

Politicians play this thing called the expectations game. Sure you only won by one vote, but you call it a mandate and yell that the "people have spoken".

Whether you like the way he approached it or not, Lane played the expectations game perfectly and got Urban and Tebow to play the roles he wanted them to. Leading into the game, it wasn't about how well the new UT staff would hang with #1 Florida, it was all about embarrassing the enemy. UF set their goal at "payback" or "bloodshed" or whatever, while UT set a goal of playing the best game they could and hopefully pulling out a win. In the end, the media's reaction proved that Lane played it right with his gamble (and it was a big gamble). Had Florida destroyed UT like they did in 07, CLK and staff would be scrambling to keep their commits, since he would've looked like he was all talk.

Fulmer played the expectations game poorly. During the preseason last year, he actually mentioned that 98's National Championship team was also ranked 3rd in the East at the start of the year. He knew he had a new offensive coordinator and would likely face some struggles, but he chose to pump the fanbase towards unrealistic expectations anyway.

In short, the difference between this year and last year is hope. UT had little going into the Florida game this year and left with alot. UT had some hope last year going in and left with absolutely none.

I think Kiffin really summed up how we feel when he said, "They've had 4 years in that system, we've had 3 games in ours". If they can play a solid game against the unanimous #1 in the Swamp with 3 games under their belt and no QB worth mentioning, what can they do over the next couple of years with better recruits?
 
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#110
AFL2008 said:
You know what is hilarious? Every year, someone beats UF or plays them close and then everyone says, "Now the SEC has the blue print to stop the spread".

But no one has stopped it consistently. So, I don't get it, do people like, misplace the blue print or something?

The blue print has always been the same. Keep them in front of you, tackle well, and pressure Tebow. Some teams have the personnel to do that better than others.
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Every year huh?!? I guess if you are a Gator fan then it helpful to have short term memory. How did the year before last (2007) work out for y’all. Enjoy the sequel (or since you don’t remember it, enjoy it for the 1st time).
 
#111
#111
Don't let your stats trick you there chief. Anyone who watched the game knows that we played them a hell of a lot better this year than last. And there are also a intangibles that you cannot put a number on like discipline and game management, both of which were much better this year. Also, last year the game was in Neyland, which is a much more friendlier confine. ;)

Florida won the game and I see your point that they played well and had the upper hand most of the game, but I really liked the way we went down there and fought it out against the number one team. When a national champion returns a Heisman QB and 22 out of 22 of the defensive two deep, they are number one without question until they lose. Give the Vols credit where credit is due. This is literally the only time I have ever felt like we took a moral victory and been ok with it. This is not a quick fix, and this game was big for the 3-5 year plan IMO.
 
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#112
Hey AFL, UF blew this thing up. They made comments about using UT and CLK as their summer motivation. They had UT on their locker room wall. Tebow's game week comments about backing up his coach built the hype. Patchan's comments, remember?

UF did a great deal to build the idea that they were gunning for UT.
 
#113
#113
"Numbers are for baseball, they don't mean much in football." I heard that a couple of times on the NFL coverage yesterday. It makes a lot of sense when you think about it.

A better question would be if the gators were so dominating, why are the gator fans so worried? If they weren't, I don't think we would be seeing them all over the Volnation forums. It is expectations. Florida did not live up to them, and TN exceeded them.
 
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#114
One thing I find funny is that you all bashed all Gator fans for saying how we would thrash you and hang "half a hunnerd" on you and we didn't. BUT, you have no worries saying how next year you will beat us cause we won't have Timmy or Spikes etc. This game shows that you never can tell. We can all think what we will but crazy things happen on Saturday afternoons in the SEC...

Did we kill you? No. Are you better than originally perceived? Seems so. Does that mean a definate win for either team next year? Definately not.

The score does not tell the tale. You all have to admit that If Tim doesn't fumble (get stripped) at the 5 in the 4th with about ten on the clock it is a completely different (and much more lopsided) outcome. The score says one thing, the stats say another, and the energy and level of play say yet another. Fact is the third game of the year means somehting again! Thats all we know. Moral victory for you or not, only time will tell. I'll take the W and look forward to a rivalry again. I guess we will have to agree to disagree...

I hope you Vols who made the trip down to Titletown enjoyed yourselves and enjoyed your time in The Swamp and found out that there really are classy and polite Gator fans and none of the horror stories talked about the week prior happened to you. Good game this week. Go Gators.
 
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#115
Deebo65 said:
You all have to admit that If Tim doesn't fumble (get stripped) at the 5 in the 4th with about ten on the clock it is a completely different (and much more lopsided) outcome.
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there are plenty of "what if's" on both sides but I can see that doesn't matter to UF fans
 
#116
#116
AFL2008 said:
Why is everyone worried about UF's performance in this victory? Compare this years game to last years game:

So offensively, UF did better in every statistical offensive category except the score and turnovers. UF moved the ball way better on the ground and also a bit better through the air. In 2008 and 2009, UF converted the same number of 3rd downs.

SO why is everyone freaking out about the offense? UF really played a good game except for two bad turnovers where Tebow tried to force things and Tennessee took advantage of those mistakes.
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If you've ever taken advanced psychology class you would know that anyone who uses the word "So" to start an argument usually is making a biased opinion..

Take away all the little mistakes/things both teams made and this game would still have been around 30-24.. I'll give you another score if Tebow doesn't fumble.. But what about if Jones stays in the end zone? What if Tebow throws the ball just a foot higher and Berry is able to stay on his feet and take it in for a score? What if that happens and Tebow still fumbles?
 
#118
#118
there are plenty of "what if's" on both sides but I can see that doesn't matter to UF fans
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It absolutely matters. Like IF yall had a halfway decent qb and could change it up offensively would make a huge difference. Like you said... Lot's of IF's.... maybe it doesn't matter to some Vol's either...
 
#119
#119
Deebo65 said:
It absolutely matters. Like IF yall had a halfway decent qb and could change it up offensively would make a huge difference. Like you said... Lot's of IF's.... maybe it doesn't matter to some Vol's either...
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We got beat.. plain and simple.. you won't see anyone here complaining about the ifs.. There were 3 different occasions where we should have scored td's and didnt
 
#120
#120
sjt18 said:
Hey AFL, UF blew this thing up. They made comments about using UT and CLK as their summer motivation. They had UT on their locker room wall. Tebow's game week comments about backing up his coach built the hype. Patchan's comments, remember?

UF did a great deal to build the idea that they were gunning for UT.
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I hope it's still hanging there. :birgits_giggle:
 
#121
#121
Deebo65 said:
One thing I find funny is that you all bashed all Gator fans for saying how we would thrash you and hang "half a hunnerd" on you and we didn't. BUT, you have no worries saying how next year you will beat us cause we won't have Timmy or Spikes etc. This game shows that you never can tell. We can all think what we will but crazy things happen on Saturday afternoons in the SEC...
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Just wandering, but what will you do without Tebow? He consistently made plays on the ground when yall were in trouble
 
#123
#123
getyopopcornready said:
Just wandering, but what will you do without Tebow? He consistently made plays on the ground when yall were in trouble
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The question is pointless because a) Tebow is the QB; and b) if Tebow was not the QB we'd have an entirely different offensive scheme to match the skills of a Brantley or someone else.
 
#124
#124
lawgator1 said:
The question is pointless because a) Tebow is the QB; and b) if Tebow was not the QB we'd have an entirely different offensive scheme to match the skills of a Brantley or someone else.
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you do understand the problem with arguing for an entirely different offensive scheme, right?
 
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