Good thread from UF message board

#76
#76
In the 2008 game were the starters on defense for the Gators still in the game in the 4th quarter?
 
#77
#77
I simply dont agree with all the pundits that have came out of the wood work (and even more hilarious, its the SAME idiots that said we would get beat by 60+.....who on Sunday were writing columns praising the Kiffins' and saying UT has something special brewing) saying that all of a sudden UF us "vulnerable" and they dont have as good of an offense as they did last year. That is a direct slap in the face to the UT defense. I will be shocked if ANY other defense is able to do to UF what we were able to. UF is full of 4* and 5* playmakers with speed to burn. I dont see any defense holding them to less than 30 points, unless they play Bama somewhere down the road. I think all of these "journalists" are much to quick to jump on bashing the UF offense. UT defense is no "slouch" and we will continue to prove that the rest of the year. UF offense will be absolutely fine.
 
#79
#79
Why all the love for Bama? UF is returning a ton of starters from a team than beat the Tide last year. Bama does have a few new players and frankly I think Ole Miss will win the West, Bama was very lucky to beat them last year and they did beat UF at their house. I hate the Gators, but God help me if I brag on Bama for anything.......GO BIG ORANGE!!!!!!!!!!
 
#80
#80
Everyone knew Meyer was wanting to run up the score, unlike last year when they got up by 20 and took it easy on UT. You could tell after the game was over when Meyer was congratulating the UT players that he was impressed. He even made a comment about the defense being tough or something similar. Last year D was good, but they gave up some huge plays and I believe had more experience compared to this one. Just imagine in a couple of years when they have 4* -5* in every position with experience.
 
#81
#81
vol_sec said:
Everyone knew Meyer was wanting to run up the score, unlike last year when they got up by 20 and took it easy on UT. You could tell after the game was over when Meyer was congratulating the UT players that he was impressed. He even made a comment about the defense being tough or something similar. Last year D was good, but they gave up some huge plays and I believe had more experience compared to this one. Just imagine in a couple of years when they have 4* -5* in every position with experience.
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Yesterday turned into a 3 ½ hour UT recruiting commercial.
 
#82
#82
TNs O-line is worse than last year, and UF knew that OchoStinko couldn't throw, but still got it rammed down their throats. You tards can spin it that it didn't happen to till the next game, but it is what it is.
 
#84
#84
Don't worry guys, just another Florida fan making excuses about why they didn't win by 60. The game was close in the 4th, that's what matters more than any stat on there. Our guys were physically equal to Florida on Saturday, something that hasn't been the case in 3 years. Florida has a ton of question marks on offense, LIKE I SAID 2 DAYS BEFORE THE GAME. Florida is 3 recruiting classes and 4 years in a system ahead of us, yet only 10 points better at home in Lane's first year. I'll take that. SEE YOU NEXT YEAR!!!!!
 
#86
#86
tng8r said:
To quote you as well, we were 2-3 plays from it being on the verge of a blowout. Had Tebow not fumbled and we punch it in, it is now 30-6 at that point.

Overall it was a great defensive game and chess match. We were hurt when Spikes went out early in the game with the leg injury. Your guys did play focused.
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What's a TNgator?? Fancy name for a troll?? :eek:lol:
 
#87
#87
It is amazing that a fan base with 3 national championships in the last two decades still doesn't know a damn thing about football.
 
#88
#88
BuckeyeVols said:
I simply dont agree with all the pundits that have came out of the wood work (and even more hilarious, its the SAME idiots that said we would get beat by 60+.....who on Sunday were writing columns praising the Kiffins' and saying UT has something special brewing) saying that all of a sudden UF us "vulnerable" and they dont have as good of an offense as they did last year. That is a direct slap in the face to the UT defense. I will be shocked if ANY other defense is able to do to UF what we were able to. UF is full of 4* and 5* playmakers with speed to burn. I dont see any defense holding them to less than 30 points, unless they play Bama somewhere down the road. I think all of these "journalists" are much to quick to jump on bashing the UF offense. UT defense is no "slouch" and we will continue to prove that the rest of the year. UF offense will be absolutely fine.
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THIS! THis is my point and always has been my point. Except for two turnovers, UF played a pretty good game on offense. I mean, how many teams are going to rush for over 200 yards on Tennessee this year? How many teams are going to go 8-13 on 3rd down against THAT defense?

Not that many.

The UF defense had a down game, IMO, and could have played better and turnovers showed that if you CAN force UF into turnovers, they are just as human as anyone else. But this game doesn't mean anything else. UF is not circling the drain. This was just another SEC game in the SEC east that UF won which was surrounded by 7 months of ridiculous controversy. Now it is over, UF is 3-0, and 1-0 in the SEC.
 
#89
#89
Maybe this helps: UFs passing game is Tennessee-esque and UCLA had a better defense because they could control the run.
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#90
#90
AFL2008 said:
THIS! THis is my point and always has been my point. Except for two turnovers, UF played a pretty good game on offense. I mean, how many teams are going to rush for over 200 yards on Tennessee this year? How many teams are going to go 8-13 on 3rd down against THAT defense?

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The protection was spotty throughout the game, and it wasn't just against the UT blitzes. … The Vols were able to keep pressure on Tebow with a traditional four-man rush for much of the game. They sacked him three times and forced him to tuck the ball and flee the pocket several other times. Had Tebow needed to throw down the field more, there probably would have been a few more sacks. Overall, UT's pressure was pretty persistent, and the Vols did it without firing off a lot of blitzes at Tebow.

Legendary former NFL defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin came up with a great game plan that took away many elements of the spread. For one, UF usually sees a lot of man-to-man coverage in the secondary and tries to exploit it with deep throws. Saturday, the Vols sat back in a zone and stayed there all day, limiting what the Gators could even attempt in the passing game. The result was a lot of throws underneath and only 115 yards passing for Tebow, who did not attempt a single deep pass. For Tebow and the Gators, it was a struggle all day, with the yards hard to come by.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090919/ARTICLES/909199957
 
#91
#91
You're just trying to justify why Florida didn't blow out the Gators and are having difficulty doing it.
 
#92
#92
AFL2008 said:
UF didn't have a spectacular game. They turned it over 2 times. Blew TD chances in the red zone, etc...

But I was just commenting that I don't understand how people could say the secondary looked suspect.

UT did worse this year than last year passing the ball...
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To clear this up for you ....

The turnovers Florida made did not just happen because Florida had a bad game . The interception was made by Berry , who will be a top 5 NFL draft pick . Forced turnover , the QB got beat . tebow did not just walk on the field and drop the ball . It was a forced fumble. Monte's defenses cause turnovers ( research that one ) Tebow was gang tackled , which is what Papa Kiffin coaches. Which forces turnovers . Then UT marched the ball down the field and scored. Florida passes were dropped because tebow was off target from getting hit , sacked , and harrassed.

If we go by your logic , the 'if not but for' logic we can come to other conclusions than " if not but for Floridas miscues it would have been a blowout "

How about " if not but for UT's miscues , Florida would have straight up lost " at home .

So by your logic ...UT let one slip away .


Why Florida is looking a little shakier than people thought ? Well , Monte Kiffin wrote the blue print and published it for all to see on how to stop the spread and Tebow . It was the old bend but don't break philosophy he has always used , except taylored to the spread .

UT ran the ball well against Florida and took advantage of the perimeter game . They did this with several walk - on linemen , a tight end converted to tackle , and their best linemen playing injured , and their starting center on the sidelines.

They did this while UF had 8 men in the box .

Receivers were wide open all over the field , UT has no Ball Delivary System AKA a quarterback . A couple of other teams UF plays a have this rare device that seems to be absent in Knoxville.

Coach O said before the game that the D could get to Tebow . They did . They blew the option up , they sacked him , they stuffed the run , and they held them to field goals a couple of times. UT has maybe 3 quality , NFL caliber players on defense . There middle backer is a walk-on . This was the gators lowest out put since 07 .

Bama is licking their tusks .

It was a good win for the Gators ...but I think a quarterbackless team , with no depth , injuries , and some key walk-ons , went into gainesville and 'let one slip away' .

Just wait till they bust the recruiting boards for a couple of years . They are on track for #1 in 2010 .
 
#93
#93
You're just trying to justify why Florida didn't blow out the Vols and are having difficulty doing it.
 
#94
#94
Everyone who says that the difference in this game was the short field that Florida had to work with most of the day was key is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!! Honestly, if they did not have the long return on opening kick off plus an idiotic face mask penalty by Art Evans, they wouldn't have even been able to see the goal line with a telescope on that drive. Our kick coverage sucks on punts and kick offs and that made the biggest difference in the game; even a bigger difference than Crompton's inability at QB. We could not punt to James (for good reason), and the kick off coverage teams think its a rule that they can't tackle until Florida crosses the 35 yard line.
 
#95
#95
AFL2008 said:
You'll probably hate it and flame it, but sharing info and opinions is what this board is all about:

Why is everyone worried about UF's performance in this victory? Compare this years game to last years game:

2008
30-6 WIN
UF: 243 yards offense, 4.5 avg
Rushing: 147 yards, 38 car, 3.8 avg
Passing: 8-15, 96 yards, 2 TD
3rd down conversions: 8-13
1st downs: 16

2009
23-13 WIN
UF: 323 yards offense, 5.1 avg
Rushing: 208 yards, 44 car, 2 TD, 4.7 avg
Passing: 14-19, 115 yards, 1 INT
3rd down conversions: 8-13
1st downs: 20

So offensively, UF did better in every statistical offensive category except the score and turnovers. UF moved the ball way better on the ground and also a bit better through the air. In 2008 and 2009, UF converted the same number of 3rd downs.

SO why is everyone freaking out about the offense? UF really played a good game except for two bad turnovers where Tebow tried to force things and Tennessee took advantage of those mistakes.

Defensively:

2008
30-6 WIN
Total yards: 258 yards, 4.4 avg
Rushing yards: 96 yards, 31 car, 1 TD, 3.1 avg
Passing yards: 18-28, 162 yards, 1 INT
3rd down conversion: 4-11
1st downs: 16

2009
23-13 WIN
Total yards: 210 yards, 4.1 avg
Rushing yards: 117 yards, 32 carries, 1 TD, 3.7 avg
Passing yards: 11-19, 93 yards, 2 INT
3rd down conversion: 5-12
1st downs: 13

So defensively, the only thing Florida did worse against was the run, where Tennessee ran a little bit better this year. But they had less yards, less first downs, more 3 and outs, and more interceptions. Heck, Crompton in the Clawfense had better numbers in 2008 than in 2009!!!!

I'm not making excuses. These are the facts of the game. The UF offense performed more effectively against UT this year than last year and the UF defense controlled the UT offense better than in 2008. The biggest difference between 2008 and 2009 was turnovers.

In 2008, UT had 2 turnovers at the UF goalline. This year, UT had two turnovers, but not in an imminent scoring position. UF instead had a turnover at the UT goalline and another DEEP in their own territory. UF scored 10 points off of those two Gator miscues.

That happens in football. UT came in here focused and took advantage of some Gator mistakes. But don't get confused, UF still controlled this game, just like they did last year. The only differences were turnovers, and a lack of a Brandon James PR TD.

So let the media, who built up the unrealistic 28 point blowout expectations say that UF is overrated. Because the facts are in the numbers and in the game. UF controlled the game from start to finish. Even with the gator mistakes, UT never came close to winning.

In short, the rumors of the gator demise are greatly exaggerated and UF's rivals will be shocked if they come in thinking UF is worse than last year...


Anyways, just food for thought.
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Last year UF got up early and went into protect mode. This year it was still a game going into the 4th qtr. UT had its opportunity after the Berry INT to make it a real game and came up short.

Don't delude yourself. This game was FAR more competitive than last year's game.
 
#96
#96
Oh, in case no one mentioned it yet, UF came out with the same kind of game plan they throw at the Troys of the world. They weren't running Tebow. UT stuffed the run and limited UF's passing game with pressure and good secondary play. UF's supposed superior playmakers NEVER got off.

It was only after UF gave up on that and started running Tebow that things opened up for their other runners.

News flash... Tebow won't be playing for UF next year.
 
#97
#97
tng8r said:
Let's see 2-3 plays when you were trailing the whole game?!?! It was more like 2-3 plays of making it too close for comfort. All in all, I think it is safe to say the game didn't turn out like most thought it would.
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I think people keep forgetting we were Gerald Jones being dumb in the endzone away from only losing by 3 points. Just as Tebow could have punched it in, we could have scored that TD and still only lost by 10.
 
#98
#98
AFL2008 said:
The UT defense still gave up yards. And if not for Tebow's mistakes which are uncharacteristic of him, UF gets the points to go with those yards.

It is basically a matter of opinion whether the turnovers were more a mistake by Tebow, or more a statement by the UT defense.
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It looked like the ball got stripped on Tebow's fumble.
 
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#99
#99
You know what is hilarious? Every year, someone beats UF or plays them close and then everyone says, "Now the SEC has the blue print to stop the spread".

But no one has stopped it consistently. So, I don't get it, do people like, misplace the blue print or something?

The blue print has always been the same. Keep them in front of you, tackle well, and pressure Tebow. Some teams have the personnel to do that better than others.
 
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