George Floyd Protest/Riots

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Weezer said:
I think Ricky's right on this one in that it's a liability issue. If they let you go knowing you're impaired, and something happens, they have culpability.
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Happened in my city years ago...two officers let a high school friend go who had been drinking. He ended up going to his girlfriend's house and both ended up dead in a crash...city was sued by girl's family
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
they legally can’t
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They can and do practice discretion all the time. I went to church with a police officer when I was a kid. He used to tell us there is the letter of the law, and there is the spirit of the law. Letter of the law states legally you should hand out tickets for doing 1mph over the speed limit, or jaywalking, or even littering in some places.

I had a buddy in college I was in the car with and he was pulled over and blew 0.01 over the legal limit. He was completely fine, coherent, and was actually pulled over for a bad brake light. The cop just let us call a friend to come pick us up and keep the car parked on the side of the road.

LEGALLY they may not be able to do certain things, but there is leeway.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
And I bet you justifiably won't stop to politely ask who is breaking into your house and why.
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I don’t lock my doors for our protection . I lock them in the hopes that you ( trying to break into my home ) have an epiphany and understand that what you are about to do is extremely dangerous for you . I can reach my firearm before you get my door open .
 
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rjd970 said:
They can and do practice discretion all the time. I went to church with a police officer when I was a kid. He used to tell us there is the letter of the law, and there is the spirit of the law. Letter of the law states legally you should hand out tickets for doing 1mph over the speed limit, or jaywalking, or even littering in some places.

I had a buddy in college I was in the car with and he was pulled over and blew 0.01 over the legal limit. He was completely fine, coherent, and was actually pulled over for a bad brake light. The cop just let us call a friend to come pick us up and keep the car parked on the side of the road.

LEGALLY they may not be able to do certain things, but there is leeway.
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The difference being you were released into the care of a sober friend, thus releasing them of responsibility. If the officer let's your friend drive away, and an accident occurs, it's a different story.
 
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Weezer said:
The difference being you were released into the care of a sober friend, thus releasing them of responsibility. If the officer let's your friend drive away, and an accident occurs, it's a different story.
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My point exactly with this case. This guy wasn’t even driving. Just let him call a friend to come pick him up. He even said his sister lived within walking distance. The whole thing could have been resolved in a couple of minutes.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
The fact that there are posters who actually believe the officers were wrong here yet again show how inexperienced and ignorant of law and police procedures some are. Floyd is a completely understandable incident in the discussion on police misconduct because Chauvin was an idiot with how he handled it. But this is textbook violent felony with a weapon and there are still some trying make excuses for this criminal and blame the police officer 🙄
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Tyler Durden said:
The superiority complex here is amazing lol
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Friendly reminder that the cops charged with interpreting the law correctly, and making life-or-death decisions based on said interpretation of the law, have largely spent a grand total of zero (0) seconds actually studying the law in law school, no matter how much they might pretend otherwise on message boards :)
 
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utvolpj said:
Me- I can't drive and left my car at oci for that reason. I'm almost home (half mile maybe)

Utpd- should have just driven, you'd be home by now. Now turn around so I can cuff you
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Let's all take a moment to put aside our differences and pay our respects to OCI.
 
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rjd970 said:
My point exactly with this case. This guy wasn’t even driving. Just let him call a friend to come pick him up. He even said his sister lived within walking distance. The whole thing could have been resolved in a couple of minutes.
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I don't disagree, but once the officers decide they're going to arrest, the man should have just acquiesced instead of resisting. Does not justify lethal force being used, but certainly contributed to the circumstances.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
They weren’t trying to shoot Taylor. They were returning fire to a room that had a criminal shooting at them
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Yet they shot Breonna Taylor 8 times and didn’t shoot the supposed “criminal” Kenneth Walker, who was the one exchanging gunfire, once? This was either extreme incompetence and coincidence or a targeted assassination. It stinks to high heaven.

And, btw, the charge against Walker was dropped (because it was ABSURD) so maybe don’t call him a criminal? He wasn’t even listed on the warrant. He is a victim. Listen to the 911 call. Maybe you’ll have a feeling.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Breonna Taylor was sleeping
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But factual with Floyd and the man in Atlanta. Both resisted. Does not justify what happened to them, but both would probably be alive if they had just complied with the police.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
He didn’t miss. You see the officer was struck by it. And yes you can use the taser over and over again
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If the officer was struck by the taser it sure didn’t affect him much.

How long does it take to reload a taser? How about when you’re drunk and sprinting, and have never used a taser before?
 
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Weezer said:
But factual with Floyd and the man in Atlanta. Both resisted. Does not justify what happened to them, but both would probably be alive if they had just complied with the police.
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There’s no reason to bring this up if you aren’t trying to defend the police in those cases
 
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Weezer said:
Police hold personal responsibility as well. A badge doesn't make them always right.
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I agree with this, but in this case I believe this man gave them enough cause to make that split second decision. It's close to the line IMO though.
 
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This is Walter Scott 2.0 (South Carolina a few years ago). According to former office Slager, the man he apprehended had a broken taillight, engaged him in physical altercation resisting arrest, stole the taser, and ran away. Toxicology showed he also had cocaine and alcohol in his system. Slager pursued and shot Scott in the back several times from about 20 feet away. Slager said he feared for his life because Scott had stolen his taser. Slager was sentenced to 20 years for 2nd degree murder.

On one hand, Walter Scott never attempted to discharge that taser. On the other, Slager was actually alone whereas officer Rolfe had backup when he decided to end Rayshard Brooks’ life. In both cases, the suspect was clearly fleeing and was not an imminent threat.

I don’t know the ins and outs of Georgia state law vs. South Carolina vs. Tennessee. Most of us right now aren’t presenting a legal argument. We’re presenting a moral argument. If what these officers did was OK under their law, then that law needs to be changed.
 
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rjd970 said:
My point exactly with this case. This guy wasn’t even driving. Just let him call a friend to come pick him up. He even said his sister lived within walking distance. The whole thing could have been resolved in a couple of minutes.
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He was driving
 
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KB5252 said:
I agree with this, but in this case I believe this man gave them enough cause to make that split second decision. It's close to the line IMO though.
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Yep..... I feel it was a clean shoot but a training moment to watch the video and go over options that would have been better under the circumstances
 
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BartW said:
Yet they shot Breonna Taylor 8 times and didn’t shoot the supposed “criminal” Kenneth Walker, who was the one exchanging gunfire, once? This was either extreme incompetence and coincidence or a targeted assassination. It stinks to high heaven.

And, btw, the charge against Walker was dropped (because it was ABSURD) so maybe don’t call him a criminal? He wasn’t even listed on the warrant. He is a victim. Listen to the 911 call. Maybe you’ll have a feeling.
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She was just sleeping. Anybody attempting to explain away or justify what happened there is the worst kind of apologist.
 
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landscapingvol said:
It wouldn't matter if he was holding an AK-47. The perpetually offended and blame the police crowd would still be rioting
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This is exactly how I am starting to think. People who have legitimate grievances have thrown their lot in with the worst of the worst in our society. You lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.
 
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NashVol11 said:
There’s no reason to bring this up if you aren’t trying to defend the police in those cases
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Both sides are true. That's what you completely ignore. The use of excessive force needs to be addressed, but resisting arrest is also not acceptable. My defense of the police ends when they use excessive force. That does not invalidate both men were stopped for legitimate reasons and did not comply with lawful orders.
 
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