Flopping Rule (merged)

#26
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They should be forced to sit out the entire drive, and also, in particularly egregious cases, delay of game penalties should be assessed. That one yesterday where the guy looked over at the sideline and then just suddenly dropped to his knee should've been delay of game.

I think they should give it more teeth and make them sit out the next 2 possessions.
 
#27
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FIRST POST... "TAKE IT EASY ON ME" to quote LRB…..

First, this is now a strategic part of the game not only on defense. Flopping is also occurring on offense to stop the clock so a play can be called but it is usually used on defense.

Next, we need to mention that an injury timeout in the last 2-5 minutes of the half is worse at killing momentum and allowing a team free timeouts than it is during the rest of the game.

With that said here is my proposal:
  • Each team gets (x) INJURY Timeouts. When a player goes down and the ref blows the whistle each coach is given a choice. Remove his player from the game for the rest of the half, take an injury timeout, take a team timeout or take a 15 year unsportsmanlike conduct that is charged against that player. Two of those and he is gone for game.
  • After a team has exhausted their injury timeouts, the coach is given a choice. Remove his player from the game for the rest of the half, take a team timeout or take a 15 year unsportsmanlike conduct that is charged against that player. Two of those and he is gone for game.
  • After a team has exhausted their injury and team timeouts. The player is removed from the game and a 15 year unsportsmanlike conduct is charged against the bench. Two of those and the coach is gone for game.
  • If an injury occurs in the last two minutes of the first or second half and the team has used all of its injury timeouts, the coach is accessed an automatic 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct on the bench and the player is disqualified for the rest of the half.
It must be more than just (x) number of injury timeouts or disqualifying players because PWO(s) will be used to not use timeouts. If we are going to fix the Strategic injury rule(lack of), we must put some real strategy into the change not just a simple x number of injury timeouts.

Oh, yea and you only get (x) number of injury timeouts regardless of whether it is offense or defense. The exception is if the injury is a result of an unsportsmanlike conduct on the other team than you do not have to use your injury/team timeouts.

We can debate what (x) should be but I say 3-4 to make the decisions by the coach really strategic.

Just my suggested changes.
Wasting your time with all this. This should be obvious, but they're not going to create a penalty for being hurt, ever. And honestly, you shouldn't need me or anybody else to tell you that.
 
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To me, that makes complete sense and would be easy to implement. Common sense tells you that no medical evaluation would ever resolve itself within just a play or two.
So when hooker takes a legal hard shot he is gone for rest of series? If not how do you determine who can come back and who can’t. It’s obvious that the referees do not have enough common sense to make good judgement calls.
 
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To me, that makes complete sense and would be easy to implement. Common sense tells you that no medical evaluation would ever resolve itself within just a play or two.
How many times in the game did 36 go down during the Game 6-8 times? Players going down that many times should be removed from the game after their 3 injury on field. Player Safety. Maybe even two times. Player Safety
 
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Some of these folks suggestions are more complicated than the NCAA. For goodness sakes, if you go down you are out for the rest of the series. End of problem, period. But when does the NCAA ever do something simple and easy.GBO
 
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To me, that makes complete sense and would be easy to implement. Common sense tells you that no medical evaluation would ever resolve itself within just a play or two.
I think the only exception should be for injuries resulting from a penalty on the opposing team (targeting, facemask, roughing the passer, etc.).
 
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Some of these folks suggestions are more complicated than the NCAA. For goodness sakes, if you go down you are out for the rest of the series. End of problem, period. But when does the NCAA ever do something simple and easy.GBO
And if it is our QB on a potential game winning drive that gets banged up and out for 1 play you are ok with him not returning?
 
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This is an easy fix. If ur too hurt to play or get off field then you are not allowed to return till next drive. We dont need timeout rules and this & that. You forfeit coming back rest of drive
The only problem with a 'simple' solution is that teams would put in a second string sacrificial lamb. Thus they still get their free TO, and substitutions. I'll bet a billion VN bucks that if they instituted a punitive penalty, whether it be charging a timeout, or benching the player for the rest of the series, you will see err'ybody going to the high tempo offenses.
 
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Solution! Each team must huddle unless it’s the last 2 mins of half or game!
 
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And if it is our QB on a potential game winning drive that gets banged up and out for 1 play you are ok with him not returning?
If you are banged up enough to need to come off the field. Being out long enough to recover is in truth probably in the players best interest.
 
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And if it is our QB on a potential game winning drive that gets banged up and out for 1 play you are ok with him not returning?
You hit the nail right on the head with the problem in all this. But then again... 'safety', right?
 
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Super simple. I call it the Saban Concern Rule. Injured is defined as a player who is so hurt, they cannot remove themselves from the field, thus requiring provided medical action by team trainer(s) or medical professionals.

-If a player is so injured they cannot walk off the field, they must sit out two series for their health and safety's sake.
-If the same player is injured in a quarter, they must sit out until the next quarter for their health and safety's sake.
-If a team has three or more random players injured in a half, they are charged a timeout for each injury.
Exception: If an injured player removes himself assisted or unassisted from the field prior to the opposing team's ball snap, no penalties are incurred.
Purpose: To discourage injured players being encouraged or forced to continue playing, thus aggravating or facilitating further harm to themselves.

Based on your yapping Ole Nick, this should be what'd you want.

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#41
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"Flopping" should be addressed in a manner in which a true injury isn't panelized. I'm not sure this is as easy of a fix that some think it is. You sure can't leave it to the discretion of refs, especially when TN fans chant "refs suck" after every other call....today is just a sad day all the way around. GBO!!!
It won’t hurt to have a “true injury” sit out for a series if they are truly hurt. Make any injury, fake or real, sit out until the ball goes back to the other team. That’s the only way I see it working.
 
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It won’t hurt to have a “true injury” sit out for a series if they are truly hurt. Make any injury, fake or real, sit out until the ball goes back to the other team. That’s the only way I see it working.
Or call a time out
 
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It won’t hurt to have a “true injury” sit out for a series if they are truly hurt. Make any injury, fake or real, sit out until the ball goes back to the other team. That’s the only way I see it working.
I don't know what the answer is for this, the other angle that has to be looked at is 3rd stringer who would other wise not play being sent in for injury. This can get complicated.....
 
#44
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I believe there should be a rule change in regard to what has been blatantly occurring multiple times (a player is able to jump around and celebrate the second their foot hits the sideline, saw it multiple times last night) this year. When a player is injured, if we’re honestly concerned about player safety as they say all the time, that player has to sit out the entirety of the current drive. If it is obvious that the intent is to delay the next snap, i.e. walking around then all of the sudden goes to a knee or falls to ground (would have to checked on one of the multiple camera angles while player is down obviously) then it’s a delay of game penalty against the Defense (as it is miraculously always defensive players suffering from these cramps & hamstrings) and automatic first down for the offense. There’s no place in the game for that kind of shoddy play/action, so make the penalty severe to discourage it.
 
#45
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If the player is that valuable to the team and they feel the injury does not preclude further play then call a formal time out. I also feel the teams should not be able to substitute when they otherwise wouldn’t have been able to or to meet with coaching staff which otherwise would require a time out.
To me it’s pretty simple- stay true to the essence of the sportsmanship and the rules of the game
 
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The hurry-up was our best offensive weapon this season. It certainly leveled the playing field and kept us in games we had no business being in, or even winning.
I hate the flops... but I respect them... because until a rule is changed, that's the same dang thang I'd do against it.
 
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#48
The hurry-up was our best offensive weapon this season. It certainly leveled the playing field and kept us in games we had no business being in, or even winning.
I hate the flops... but I respect them... because until a rule is changed, that's the same dang thang I'd do against it.

Which is exactly why a rule change is necessary. There’s no place for “injuries” to be a part of strategy in this game.
 

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