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Did anybody hear the whistle and if so which side of the ball breaking the plane? I don't trust my ears on this one.
He comes running in waving his arms just as Wright reaches across the goal line. The call looks even worse on this low angle. You can't really tell when he starts waving his arms because he runs into the camera shot.
I see the shadow (which I hadn't noticed before) and I honestly still can't tell other than just knowing how horrible the call looks. All the plays that they let go so replay can figure out what happened, and he chooses that play to make a forward progress call.Slow down the video and rock it back and forth at the 7 second mark. If you look at the shadow of the ref on the goal line, he starts moving toward the play before the ball moves across the plane. I assume this is the point he is waving his arms since we physically can't see him until between the 8 and 9 second marks on the video, where the ball is clearly across and the RB is not down. It appears based on the shadow movement, the play was beginning to be signaled dead before the ball crossed the plane, hence marking the ball one yard short on the field. The ref was very premature in stopping the play. Forward progress had not truly stopped as his body was still in forward motion and the arm was moving the ball.
It's weird how in the past few years they seem to give 1st downs on spots that look crazy close and then other times they don't. It's like they make a concerted effort at times to not bring in the chains.The 3rd down play on UT's first drive was marked way short of progress by this same individual. I thought at the time here we go again.
Slow down the video and rock it back and forth at the 7 second mark. If you look at the shadow of the ref on the goal line, he starts moving toward the play before the ball moves across the plane. I assume this is the point he is waving his arms since we physically can't see him until between the 8 and 9 second marks on the video, where the ball is clearly across and the RB is not down. It appears based on the shadow movement, the play was beginning to be signaled dead before the ball crossed the plane, hence marking the ball one yard short on the field. The ref was very premature in stopping the play. Forward progress had not truly stopped as his body was still in forward motion and the arm was moving the ball.
I see the shadow (which I hadn't noticed before) and I honestly still can't tell other than just knowing how horrible the call looks. All the plays that they let go so replay can figure out what happened, and he chooses that play to make a forward progress call.
Yep, my thread on this shows exact pdf screen shots of the rule book. I'm still pissed.Good work there; however, there is another part of the rule book that is very specific the this situation. Forward progress was reviewable in this situation. The refs said is wasn't because they did not know the rules.
Rule 12. Instant Replay
Dead Ball and Loose Ball ARTICLE 3. Reviewable plays involving potential dead balls and loose balls include:
e. Ball carrier’s forward progress, spot of fumble, or spot of out-of-bounds backward pass, with respect to a first down or the goal line.
So, by rule, it should have been reviewed and a touchdown.
Someone got called out here by another poster to the effect "would you rather be right or be liked" when it was mentioned that the play was dead when our player started pulling JW toward the goal line.
Pushing a ball carrier forward is allowed BUT pulling a player forward is not allowed and is an infraction or play is whistled dead or something to that end.
Flame away.
Someone got called out here by another poster to the effect "would you rather be right or be liked" when it was mentioned that the play was dead when our player started pulling JW toward the goal line.
Pushing a ball carrier forward is allowed BUT pulling a player forward is not allowed and is an infraction or play is whistled dead or something to that end.
Flame away.
Then why the HECK do they need whistles? Like what do they expect, the players to WATCH the ref for the duration of the play?Hand signals absolutely can end a play. Remember the flack that the officiating crew took in the ATM/Mississippi State game where the official clearly waved his arms but they let the punt return continue? A signal is the same as a whistle.
How about a wink, shoulder shrug, or maybe a fart? Whistle is the one common denominator because everyone can hear it.That's the popular belief, but an official making a signal like incomplete pass, waving arms or raising a hand to mark the ball is just as good as a whistle as far as killing a play.