Explosion in Boston?

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This thread has became pathetic., this was a very informative and respectful thread yesterday with the exception of maverick throwing in a few "off the wall post". We were all sharing the news reports we each were hearing.

I sign on this morning and read 3 pages of dumbassery because the president didnot use the word terrorism in his speech. From all the reports no one knows if this is an act of international terrorism or some domestic nutcase or group of nutcases. If O had called this terrorism in his speech and it ends up being a domestic nutcase the same poster would be blaming him for jumping to conclusions.

It is a shame that some posters are using this tragedy to make political attacks without having one ounce of actual knowledge of who the bomber/bombers are and what the motives were.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Got to go somewhere for info when the POTUS won't offer it up, especially when they probably received the same info. One calls it terrorism, the other didnt. Why?
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When there is not even a suspect, I have a hard time assigning any type of motive, since motives are connected specifically to individuals. Terrorism, as defined, requires motives. So, without a suspect, one cannot determine motive; thus, one cannot conclusively state that something was terrorism.

However, this is beside the point, since I specifically asked you when you started placing stock in what Feinstein has to say. You are appealing to authority (as opposed to simply sticking to the established facts and the definition of terms), thus, questioning why it is you give Feinstein authority is relevant, especially in light of the fact that I have never seen you refer to Feinstein as an authority before. I was under the impression that you saw Feinstein as a bumbling idiot who is merely peddling an agenda. If so, it is quite odd that you would use her to justify your views.

As for the statements by Menino, I've only seen where he has said it is "possibly a terrorist attack". Not that I care what they call it, but I would like to see a link backing up your claim.
 
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volinbham said:
It is a little odd that the WH calls it terrorism but the POTUS doesn't. It's not a big deal or even a deal at this point but it just seems a little odd. The official line is "x" but the guy in charge doesn't say it.

More curious than anything but nothing to criticize at this point.

It would be a completely moot point if it weren't for the Ft. Hood reaction, the Benghazi reaction, the Christmas day bomber reaction.
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White House called it an "act of terror" if I remember correctly. It certainly was an "act of terror"; yet, "act of terror" does not entail terrorism.
 
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therealUT said:
As for the statements by Menino, I've only seen where he has said it is "possibly a terrorist attack". Not that I care what they call it, but I would like to see a link backing up your claim.
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Since everyone is so sensitive in this thread now I offer this simply as illumination on your question

White House labels Boston blasts as 'act of terror' | JPost | Israel News

but they are handling the incident as "an act of terror," a White House official said.

"Any event with multiple explosive devices - as this appears to be - is clearly an act of terror, and will be approached as an act of terror," the official said.


"However, we don't yet know who carried out this attack, and a thorough investigation will have to determine whether it was planned and carried out by a terrorist group, foreign or domestic," the official said.
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Is there any doubt there were multiple explosive devises? If not, they label this as an act of terror and are treating it as such.
 
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Gramps said:
This thread has became pathetic., this was a very informative and respectful thread yesterday with the exception of maverick throwing in a few "off the wall post". We were all sharing the news reports we each were hearing.

I sign on this morning and read 3 pages of dumbassery because the president didnot use the word terrorism in his speech. From all the reports no one knows if this is an act of international terrorism or some domestic nutcase or group of nutcases. If O had called this terrorism in his speech and it ends up being a domestic nutcase the same poster would be blaming him for jumping to conclusions.

It is a shame that some posters are using this tragedy to make political attacks without having one ounce of actual knowledge of who the bomber/bombers are and what the motives were.
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It doesn’t matter where the perpetrators are from, domestic of foreign. Terrorism is Terrorism!
 
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freakin tin foil hat wearing Obama detractors need to get a reality check. Damn, I didnt vote for him, dont like him, ect ect, but this pissing contest over a word is stupid.
 
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I'm with the other dude that said we've turned this from an informative thread into a political posturing exercise. Y'all let me know when we get back to uncovering details and more important stuff.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
I'm with the other dude that said we've turned this from an informative thread into a political posturing exercise. Y'all let me know when we get back to uncovering details and more important stuff.
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there's a reason this thread and the one in the Pub exist at the same time. Feel free to pick the one that best suits your needs
 
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therealUT said:
When there is not even a suspect, I have a hard time assigning any type of motive, since motives are connected specifically to individuals. Terrorism, as defined, requires motives. So, without a suspect, one cannot determine motive; thus, one cannot conclusively state that something was terrorism.

However, this is beside the point, since I specifically asked you when you started placing stock in what Feinstein has to say. You are appealing to authority (as opposed to simply sticking to the established facts and the definition of terms), thus, questioning why it is you give Feinstein authority is relevant, especially in light of the fact that I have never seen you refer to Feinstein as an authority before. I was under the impression that you saw Feinstein as a bumbling idiot who is merely peddling an agenda. If so, it is quite odd that you would use her to justify your views.

As for the statements by Menino, I've only seen where he has said it is "possibly a terrorist attack". Not that I care what they call it, but I would like to see a link backing up your claim.
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I've never said a word until today about Feinstein

Menino said "Yesterday terror was brought to Boston". Obama said it was "events in Boston"
 
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I can't recall so much attention being paid to a choice of words three hours after the incident when the victims were still in surgery. Heck, there were runners still not even at that point collected and returned to their families and friends.

Those of you whining about his choice of words, in that timeframe and in that context, are simply pathetic.
 
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I didn't vote for Obama, dislike his policies and despise the direction this country is going, but going after him because of his lack of use of the word "terrorism" is silly. It just looks like you're trying to find something bad to say about him. You need to pick your battles better.

And yes, I think it was terrorism but it could be just some nut job that wanted to kill a few people at a high profile event.
 
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Burhead said:
FBI won't comment on make up of the bombs.
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1) They will want to be sure about that since it is going to cause even more speculation.

2) If they know what they were made of, there's a decent chance they'll be able to figure out quickly where it came from, and from there perhaps who bought it. They are not going to want to tip off the perpetrator(s) to how close they might be.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
freakin tin foil hat wearing Obama detractors need to get a reality check. Damn, I didnt vote for him, dont like him, ect ect, but this pissing contest over a word is stupid.
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It's not like we are Cynthia McKinney and saying the government did it
 
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TXA&M07 said:
I'm with the other dude that said we've turned this from an informative thread into a political posturing exercise. Y'all let me know when we get back to uncovering details and more important stuff.
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Established facts:

1. Two explosions occurred in a 100m area, the second explosion occurring 10s after the first.

2. An individual working for some unspecified Federal intelligence department speaking on the condition of anonymity stated that two other explosive devices were found and disarmed in the area.

3. There was a man on a rooftop at the time of the explosions.

4. A 20 year old, Saudi national, in the US on a student visa, was taken into custody after being tackled by a bystander for looking suspicious; this individual has shrapnel wounds to the back of his leg, and he "smelled like gunpowder".

5. An apartment was searched in Revere. The Saudi national in custody lives in Revere.

6. No terrorist organizations have claimed responsibility for this attack, at this time. The Pakistani Taliban have asserted that they were not behind the attack.

My biggest question is if these bombs were in trashcans, why is this Saudi national, if he is responsible for these attacks, on the scene and close enough to be wounded when they exploded? Remote detonation is not that complicated.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
I've never said a word until today about Feinstein

Menino said "Yesterday terror was brought to Boston". Obama said it was "events in Boston"
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Yes, terror was brought to Boston. Hell, terror was brought to Boston by Hurricane Sandy, as well. Was Sandy an act of terrorism?
 
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More:

FBI says no other devices were found.

No additional threats are known at this time.

Doctors removed nails and other metal objects yesterday from victims.
 
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hog88 said:
It doesn’t matter where the perpetrators are from, domestic of foreign. Terrorism is Terrorism!
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If is is a homegrown nutcase or nutcase would it not be "an act of terror" ?


If it is an organized terrorist group would it not be called terrorism ?

IIRC, The Oklahoma City Bombing was NOT called terrorism.
 
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