Explosion in Boston?

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therealUT said:
My biggest question is if these bombs were in trashcans, why is this Saudi national, if he is responsible for these attacks, on the scene and close enough to be wounded when they exploded? Remote detonation is not that complicated.
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Does seem odd. If there were suicide bombers, and his malfunctioned, that might make sense. Otherwise, tough to figure out a link that makes sense.
 
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Axelrod:

"You use those words and it means something very specific in people's mind. And I'm sure what was going through the president's mind is -- we really don't know who did this -- it was tax day. Was it someone who was pro--you know, you just don't know. And so I think his attitude is, let's not put any inference into this, let's just make clear that we're going to get the people responsible."
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Burhead said:
More:

FBI says no other devices were found.

No additional threats are known at this time.

Doctors removed nails and other metal objects yesterday from victims.
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I heard that around 9 last night on MSNBC, but Fox was insisting that others were found as late as when I went to bed around 11. So even today its still conflicting, I guess.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Does seem odd. If there were suicide bombers, and his malfunctioned, that might make sense. Otherwise, tough to figure out a link that makes sense.
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Further, everyone near the blast is going to "smell like gunpowder"; and, the notion that this man "looked suspicious" is ridiculous. Nobody looks normal when they are rocked by an explosion and every single person reacts differently.
 
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If this were an act of International Terrorism is it not odd that no group has claimed responsibility ?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I heard that around 9 last night on MSNBC, but Fox was insisting that others were found as late as when I went to bed around 11. So even today its still conflicting, I guess.
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I do know that from the Commons all the way up through Kenmore yesterday, cops were repeating over bullhorns that everyone needed to clear the area, go to their homes, and that those areas were not safe.

This certainly does not entail that anything else was found, but, it does entail that reasons existed for the officials on the ground to expect more events.
 
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Georgia Peach said:
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SIAP. Why didn't they perform these drills right before the race? Wouldn't the bomb have been in place by then?
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The course is wide open and the only thing that is specifically barricaded off is the road (though, even that is not completely restricted, as pedestrians have to cross somehow). Everyone is walking around with backpacks. Those explosives could have been placed anytime.
 
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The Massachusetts General doctor says the metallic debris found in victims could have come from the surrounding environment but he believes, based on the concentration, that it originated in the bomb.
 
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Burhead said:
I was too young to remember 9/11 but how long did it take for OBL to claim responsibility?
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IIRC he actually never did. Some video appeared where he seemed to be talking about how they did it but I don't think AQ under him was big about claiming right after.

They did however make a big deal prior to their attacks (again IIRC)
 
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therealUT said:
Established facts:

1. Two explosions occurred in a 100m area, the second explosion occurring 10s after the first.

2. An individual working for some unspecified Federal intelligence department speaking on the condition of anonymity stated that two other explosive devices were found and disarmed in the area.

3. There was a man on a rooftop at the time of the explosions.

4. A 20 year old, Saudi national, in the US on a student visa, was taken into custody after being tackled by a bystander for looking suspicious; this individual has shrapnel wounds to the back of his leg, and he "smelled like gunpowder".

5. An apartment was searched in Revere. The Saudi national in custody lives in Revere.

6. No terrorist organizations have claimed responsibility for this attack, at this time. The Pakistani Taliban have asserted that they were not behind the attack.

My biggest question is if these bombs were in trashcans, why is this Saudi national, if he is responsible for these attacks, on the scene and close enough to be wounded when they exploded? Remote detonation is not that complicated.
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He could have just calculated the blast radius wrong, did what he was told, upper managment wanted him dead in the blast. Any number of reasons.

It's too early to jump to conclusions about who did this but also too early to exclude too. The sad thing (outside of the dead and injured) is that no matter what this admin says, due to their history a large portion of the population will not believe it.
 
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therealUT said:
Established facts:

1. Two explosions occurred in a 100m area, the second explosion occurring 10s after the first.

2. An individual working for some unspecified Federal intelligence department speaking on the condition of anonymity stated that two other explosive devices were found and disarmed in the area.

3. There was a man on a rooftop at the time of the explosions.

4. A 20 year old, Saudi national, in the US on a student visa, was taken into custody after being tackled by a bystander for looking suspicious; this individual has shrapnel wounds to the back of his leg, and he "smelled like gunpowder".

5. An apartment was searched in Revere. The Saudi national in custody lives in Revere.

6. No terrorist organizations have claimed responsibility for this attack, at this time. The Pakistani Taliban have asserted that they were not behind the attack.

My biggest question is if these bombs were in trashcans, why is this Saudi national, if he is responsible for these attacks, on the scene and close enough to be wounded when they exploded? Remote detonation is not that complicated.
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Nice wrap up. Speculating on the last bit:
1. He isn't involved and had no knowledge of their existence or location.
2. He is involved and there was an issue with the IEDs and he was checking them. If the intent was for the IEDs to go off when the biggest group of runners was crossing the finish line, they were probably 30-60 minutes late. If they were supposed to go off simultaneously, they were off by 14 seconds. Obviously, we(the public) won't know how they were detonated, but the FBI will. If they were on timers, then there was an issue (perhaps they forgot about DST?). If they were on remote detonators then, there was interference that disrupted the signals until the 4:09 mark in the race, when either the disruption stopped or someone got close enough to get the signal through.

I agree with your assessment yesterday that there is a level of unprofessional quality in this attack--especially if it turns out there were more that did not detonate. A lot more damage could have been done. Just across the street is the John Hancock Building, all that glass would have done much more damage. Also, I believe there is a major cathedral close by that could have made a more symbolic target.

We are also not sure if the fire at the JFK Library is connected.
 
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I don't know if anybody else saw Bob Levey cryptically mention how the bombing was similar to "devices" that are used in the Middle East in that they bomb an area, and then drop a follow-up bomb. He was clearly talking about American drone bombs, but wouldn't say the words "drone" or "American". Kinda weird. Probably wanted to make a point, but not stir up too much controversy.

My bro-in-law ran the Boston yesterday, but he was already in his hotel because he finished in under 3 hours.
 
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Just researching (9/11 videos) OBL issued a video on the 16th saying he didn't order the attacks. He never really claimed responsibility from what I'm seeing.
 
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therealUT said:
The course is wide open and the only thing that is specifically barricaded off is the road (though, even that is not completely restricted, as pedestrians have to cross somehow). Everyone is walking around with backpacks. Those explosives could have been placed anytime.
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Do you think this was just a procedural drill? Or do you think there is some truth to someone being informed? If someone had been tipped off surely they would have called the race off.
 
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Gramps said:
If this were an act of International Terrorism is it not odd that no group has claimed responsibility ?
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Not if they were hoping for more damage and the whole thing was fouled up. If it turns out there were more IEDs, then it would look bad if, say, 2 out of 5 went off and those did not do the amount of damage intended.
 
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