Dump Bama

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hog88 said:
Moving Bama and AU to the east would eliminate the need for the permanent cross division games.
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That’s pretty much true. TN/Bama and UGA/AUB have always been there sticking points.
 
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hog88 said:
I can't accept running away from competition, getting better is the answer not running away. Saban won't be there much longer.
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It isn't running away. It is looking at practical, long term solutions for better overall competition and opportunity for more parity. UT would still have to "play the best" at some point. UGA hasn't been able to duck Bama for instance even though they don't play them every year.
 
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sjt18 said:
It isn't running away. It is looking at practical, long term solutions for better overall competition and opportunity for more parity. UT would still have to "play the best" at some point. UGA hasn't been able to duck Bama for instance even though they don't play them every year.
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When you’ve played someone 100 years and it’s what most people would consider the biggest rival on the schedule…..it’s running away
 
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99gator said:
When you’ve played someone 100 years and it’s what most people would consider the biggest rival on the schedule…..it’s running away
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Mind... your... business.

I have no doubt the day will come when Bama's run is over. It has happened to every program that has achieved national dominance. So no. Not "running away". Just a practical understanding that UT playing Bama every year ON AVERAGE creates a distinct disadvantage when trying to overcome what's happened but also generally. Auburn nor LSU have been as historically strong as Bama. On the whole, that creates an advantage for UGA and UF even if UT is "good". It is even worse when you go down further. UK's permanent crossover is MSU, right? Creating equity is better than continuing this one game.
 
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sjt18 said:
Mind... your... business.

I have no doubt the day will come when Bama's run is over. It has happened to every program that has achieved national dominance. So no. Not "running away". Just a practical understanding that UT playing Bama every year ON AVERAGE creates a distinct disadvantage when trying to overcome what's happened but also generally. Auburn nor LSU have been as historically strong as Bama. On the whole, that creates an advantage for UGA and UF even if UT is "good". It is even worse when you go down further. UK's permanent crossover is MSU, right? Creating equity is better than continuing this one game.
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All of that is a bunch of bull.

For Tennessee, playing them isn’t about fairness or balance or any of that other hooey that I’m not going to debate.

Playing Alabama is about the fact that you hate them, they hate you, and your season ain’t the same without playing one another.
 
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DuckInAPen said:
You may need to read the post to which I was responding more carefully. I don't think we're in agreement at all. My view is that, if having Bama in the East is the price we must pay to keep the annual rivalry, then by all means we should support Bama being moved to the East. In my opinion, there is no Tennessee football without the Bama game. The day will come when we have the upper hand again.
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sjt18 said:
Mind... your... business.

I have no doubt the day will come when Bama's run is over. It has happened to every program that has achieved national dominance. So no. Not "running away". Just a practical understanding that UT playing Bama every year ON AVERAGE creates a distinct disadvantage when trying to overcome what's happened but also generally. Auburn nor LSU have been as historically strong as Bama. On the whole, that creates an advantage for UGA and UF even if UT is "good". It is even worse when you go down further. UK's permanent crossover is MSU, right? Creating equity is better than continuing this one game.
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Eliminating the UT/Gump annual game does nothing to create equity.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
No.

Do NOT dump Bama.

Find a way to whup Bama's ass, repeatedly.

For those who say, "we can't do that," that's a loser mentality. Break out of it.

Keep TSIO. Lose the habit of losing.

Go Vols!
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Reality til Saban retires.
 
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DuckInAPen said:
It won't matter that we win games, if we're not playing the games that matter. Adherence to tradition keeps those games alive.

It's also a fact that our tradition gives us an advantage in getting "large amounts of money, better recruits and better coaches." Without it, we'd be in even worse shape than we're in now.
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I would normally agree with you but that tradition has not gotten TN anywhere near a SEC title, little lone a SEC Championship or playoff berth in the last 16 years. Which coach since Fulmer has been a Tier one capable coach like Saban, Fisher or Smart, that came here due to our long lasting traditions with existing rivals and beat them consistently? Which Recruiting class brought Tennessee back to relevancy on the field since Fulmer?
 
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calban said:
Reality til Saban retires.
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It's interesting that this brings Sark back to the SEC. Saban likes to beat his proteges.

As for "equity" for the Vols, it's earned. We've not earned it for several years and "stepping out" of a longtime rivalry we currently can't win to give the appearance of "equity" in competition is cowardly.

I'd rather lose to Bama until we don't..... than avoid them until we're stronger. It's a barometer of where we're at as program that this is a suggestion.
 
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calban said:
Doesn't seem to be ANYONE around at present that's close to doing that. Except Dabo, who's beat him more than once?
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Until something has been done for the first time, no one's done it. There's always a trailblazer.

Our goal is a return to dominance, right? This is where it happens. TSIO against Bama, plus the Florida and Georgia games. This is how we get back to the top.

Not by running away.
 
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VolunteerCeltic said:
I would normally agree with you but that tradition has not gotten TN anywhere near a SEC title, little lone a SEC Championship or playoff berth in the last 16 years. Which coach since Fulmer has been a Tier one capable coach like Saban, Fisher or Smart, that came here due to our long lasting traditions with existing rivals and beat them consistently? Which Recruiting class brought Tennessee back to relevancy on the field since Fulmer?
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None of that has anything to do with us playing Bama every year. Hell, I bet if you asked some of our current and former stars many would say they came so they could play the Gumps every year.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
No.

Do NOT dump Bama.

Find a way to whup Bama's ass, repeatedly.

For those who say, "we can't do that," that's a loser mentality. Break out of it.

Keep TSIO. Lose the habit of losing.

Go Vols!
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Spot on 82. In the world and time we live in people want the easy way out. This sends a terrible message to our youth that if things get tough and you find yourself getting beat seek an easy way out, but we should be pushing our youth to pin your ears back and press on and work harder. Wonder what General Neyland would think of these dump Bama threads?
 
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airvols said:
If the conference is expanding, we need to dump Alabama as an annual opponent. I know you traditionalist will give all kinds of reasons not to do this, but it’s a new world. I’m not talking about running away I’m talking about being smart. They would rotate on the schedule anyway, so make this about Tennessee, not about tradition.
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dump... bama....

arent those two words synonymous?
bama fans, live at the dump..,
bama is a dump... around the bowl, down the hole...roll Tahd roll...yup thats it. Its a loong way to Tuscaloser.

For y'all younger folks, we once had an 8 yr streak against these tools. 15 years later and in current atmosphere of CFB they no longer look at us as a rival. It isnt fun.
 
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#95
I for one am not alone but if we had this attitude against Japan where would we be now? America did what we will eventually do against Alabama and this is level the playing field and defeat the red elephant. Don't run, that's what the bully does after he gets smacked right in the mouth. Kinda takes the fight out of them.
 
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airvols said:
If the conference is expanding, we need to dump Alabama as an annual opponent. I know you traditionalist will give all kinds of reasons not to do this, but it’s a new world. I’m not talking about running away I’m talking about being smart. They would rotate on the schedule anyway, so make this about Tennessee, not about tradition.
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Actually, many of us would be happy to share the wealth and allow others to have their crack at them! But wouldn't want to duck them every year... rotation maybe. But we still need to gauge our progress against UF and UGA...and if we become good enough to beat THEM, we'd wind up playing Bama in the SEC Championship anyway!
 
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hog88 said:
None of that has anything to do with us playing Bama every year. Hell, I bet if you asked some of our current and former stars many would say they came so they could play the Gumps every year.
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I was responding to DuckInAPen and his reasoning on what having traditions brings to UT, which I stated that it does not produce wins, only large piles of cash, good coaches and recruits will bring wins. I do not think todays recruit comes to TN because they are excited to get their brains beat out by Bama every year. Playing TN must be a much better tradition for Bama cause they get all the best recruits.
 
#99
#99
Illinoisvolfan2 said:
While we’re at it, let’s drop UGA and UF since they kick our arses almost every year too.
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we should be in the "poors" division and roll the dice with

Vandy, UK, USCjr, Mizzou, Arkansas, Ole Miss and Miss St.

Pick one or two games annually from the "world beaters" division and call it a day

I need help today :(
 
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#100
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Absolutely no point in keeping the Bama game going at this point you guys must be masochists for wanting to watch those beatdowns every year. It’s not competitive and not a enjoyable game to watch it has no relevance to the rest of the country or the college football landscape now. Bama can name their score most of the time def dump this game.
 
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