Dump Bama

#53
#53
This didnt age well. Looks like Bama will be in the division with Tennessee. But it wont be too bad seeing Ga and Fla getting a load of that every year....

Truth is its "put up or shut up" time for UT administration. They gotta put their focus on rebuilding the monster of UT football instead of the other political bull$hit they have concentrated on in the last 15+ years or else its gonna be lost for good. Then they can figure out how to fund an athletic dept and pay the debt with basically TV money......its called the Vanderbilt model.
 
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airvols said:
If the conference is expanding, we need to dump Alabama as an annual opponent. I know you traditionalist will give all kinds of reasons not to do this, but it’s a new world. I’m not talking about running away I’m talking about being smart. They would rotate on the schedule anyway, so make this about Tennessee, not about tradition.
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Saying it's "not about tradition" when you're talking about college football just doesn't make sense.
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
Well, if conf expands, Bama moves to the east, so ...
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Maybe. But that wouldn't be wise.

They should use some objective measure- maybe all time conference wins and divide the teams into two more balanced divisions. There could be some negotiation but 1 &2 shouldn't be in the same division, 3 & 4 shouldn't be in the same division, and so on. If a rivalry game gets dropped then those two teams can work out an annual non-conference contest.
 
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volfan2020 said:
********! Traditions are what makes college football GREAT! If we eliminate the third Saturday in October, then what is the point?
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Traditions are ended and become part of good history. New traditions begin. And frankly... what is good about a tradition characterized by the lack of competitiveness of the last 15+ years in that game. That "tradition" has contributed in some measure to UT staying down.
 
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sjt18 said:
Maybe. But that wouldn't be wise.

They should use some objective measure- maybe all time conference wins and divide the teams into two more balanced divisions. There could be some negotiation but 1 &2 shouldn't be in the same division, 3 & 4 shouldn't be in the same division, and so on. If a rivalry game gets dropped then those two teams can work out an annual non-conference contest.
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How about just use geography and lets play ball!
 
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sjt18 said:
Traditions are ended and become part of good history. New traditions begin. And frankly... what is good about a tradition characterized by the lack of competitiveness of the last 15+ years in that game. That "tradition" has contributed in some measure to UT staying down.
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No it hasn't. Incompetence in the administration is what has kept us down.
 
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savannahfan said:
Well if what you say comes to pass (and I feel you are right) we will be back to nearly the old time SEC and SWC. If this happens will the conference have an identity? I feel the press and fans will see this alignment as two different conferences because there will not be enough games in football to build cross division rivalries. To me, it will be like things are now. Like every now and then we play a team from another top conference. I could see teams not playing each other more than once every 8-10 years. Now in other sports where many games can be played, this may not be too bad a situation.
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Right more would need to happen that I have felt should happen anyways for some time. In 2019, Tennessee played FOUR OOC games and eight inner conference games.

I think the powder puff games should be optional exhibitions and limited to two per team. Then 8 super conferences formed with 10 conference games. That shortens the regular season by 2 games and increases inner conference play by 2 games setting up a post season that every team should get to participate in. More on that in a second. It should be said that the super conferences might be bigger than 16 teams eventually.

The conference championships will be an additional game for the top two teams of each conference, totaling 11 games thus far—all of which will go to a 16 team playoff for a Natty where the top 8 teams of each super conference will play the runner ups of the other super conference, and so on. I also think every team should get to go bowling, because that revenue goes to help build the educational system at some schools.

This approach will not create any more games during the season as the top two teams will still have played 15 games by the end of the season. It also creates a better system for ensuring the best teams from all conferences get a chance to play for it all, without disregard for their regular seasons. It still promotes cross conference play. It generates more revenue for the sport and all of the teams involved, and it increases the relevance of the conference play. It doesn’t lengthen the season and put kids at a greater risk.
 
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hog88 said:
No it hasn't. Incompetence in the administration is what has kept us down.
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There's no single problem alone that accounts for it. The administration has been incompetent. The annual non-competitive beat downs by Bama... do nothing to encourage the best players to consider UT. No one else in the East contends with that.
 
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sjt18 said:
Well, basically because it would create a league with inherent imbalance. That's not good for competition.
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It would balance out. The league is imbalanced now, it was in the late 90s. It's cyclic and without good leadership on the Hill it doesn't matter who's in our division.
 
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sjt18 said:
There's no single problem alone that accounts for it. The administration has been incompetent. The annual non-competitive beat downs by Bama... do nothing to encourage the best players to consider UT. No one else in the East contends with that.
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The annual Bama beatdowns are directly tied to the incompetent administration.
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
Well, if conf expands, Bama moves to the east, so ...
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That move blows up the whole playoff model. Likely go to four divisions, or some other plan. UT should petition the ACC. He travel schedule would be great.

Bama has ruined the idea of a rivalry game with their dominance. Maybe it’s all legit, but I can’t find anyway to believe it.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
My thoughts exactly.... If Alabama moves to the East, there won't be an East race.
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You may need to read the post to which I was responding more carefully. I don't think we're in agreement at all. My view is that, if having Bama in the East is the price we must pay to keep the annual rivalry, then by all means we should support Bama being moved to the East. In my opinion, there is no Tennessee football without the Bama game. The day will come when we have the upper hand again.
 
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hog88 said:
The annual Bama beatdowns are directly tied to the incompetent administration.
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And the annual beatdowns are helping perpetuate the recruiting imbalance that creates the annual beatdowns. It isn't either/or. It is BOTH. Why is that difficult to understand and accept?
 
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hog88 said:
It would balance out. The league is imbalanced now, it was in the late 90s. It's cyclic and without good leadership on the Hill it doesn't matter who's in our division.
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No. For a lot of reasons it won't without some very significant population demographic changes. Talented players overall have a tendency to play close to home. Some leave their home state but most still stay within a days drive.

The geographic division doesn't make sense and it isn't necessary.
 
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sjt18 said:
And the annual beatdowns are helping perpetuate the recruiting imbalance that creates the annual beatdowns. It isn't either/or. It is BOTH. Why is that difficult to understand and accept?
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I can't accept running away from competition, getting better is the answer not running away. Saban won't be there much longer.
 
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GAVol said:
For some, yes. Others just think permanent cross division opponents are goofy. If they rotate everyone in a 9 game schedule, we’ll see everybody every 2-3 years anyway.
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Moving Bama and AU to the east would eliminate the need for the permanent cross division games.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. For a lot of reasons it won't without some very significant population demographic changes. Talented players overall have a tendency to play close to home. Some leave their home state but most still stay within a days drive.

The geographic division doesn't make sense and it isn't necessary.
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Knoxville is within a days drive of a plethora of talent.
 
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VolunteerCeltic said:
Keeping tradition does not win games, large amounts of money, better recruits and better coaches does....
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It won't matter that we win games, if we're not playing the games that matter. Adherence to tradition keeps those games alive.

It's also a fact that our tradition gives us an advantage in getting "large amounts of money, better recruits and better coaches." Without it, we'd be in even worse shape than we're in now.
 
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