Dormady's playing time.

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KBVol said:
Hope Dobbs stays healthy, but history shows us it's just not likely for any QB running Butch's offense. Then you throw in this porous OL. Fact is, QD is likely to get some meaningful snaps at some point and letting him run the full offense any chance you get is the best way to protect the team's fortunes going forward. No matter who the backup QB is, he has to be ready to step in and run the offense and letting him run the full offense, even in garbage time, is the best way to groom/develop him should be be needed to play in some important games later in the season.
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Agree wholeheartedly. I still say (and it infuriates the Dobbites) that Dormady may be the kind of QB that takes over, and does not readily relinquish the job. He has a level of accuracy in the passing game that I do not believe Dobbs possesses. We'll see.....I truly hope we do not find out this year.
 
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KBVol said:
Hope Dobbs stays healthy, but history shows us it's just not likely for any QB running Butch's offense. Then you throw in this porous OL. Fact is, QD is likely to get some meaningful snaps at some point and letting him run the full offense any chance you get is the best way to protect the team's fortunes going forward. No matter who the backup QB is, he has to be ready to step in and run the offense and letting him run the full offense, even in garbage time, is the best way to groom/develop him should be be needed to play in some important games later in the season.
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Agree. QD needs meaningful snaps as early as possible imo. He's always a play away from being the man. With this offense relying on Dobbs legs 10-12 times a game, the chances get much higher..
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Agree wholeheartedly. I still say (and it infuriates the Dobbites) that Dormady may be the kind of QB that takes over, and does not readily relinquish the job. He has a level of accuracy in the passing game that I do not believe Dobbs possesses. We'll see.....I truly hope we do not find out this year.
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I'm actually one of those Dobbites but your statement isn't necessarily unreasonable given the effusive praise that QD is getting from Butch. I certainly don't believe that QD plays without a Dobbs injury, but if QD were to get in, all bets could be off if he plays up to praise he's been getting. Probably unlikely but possible. Bottom line, I think we have ourselves one helluva good QB for the future in QD...just a question of when that future begins.
 
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KBVol said:
I'm actually one of those Dobbites but your statement isn't necessarily unreasonable given the effusive praise that QD is getting from Butch. I certainly don't believe that QD plays without a Dobbs injury, but if QD were to get in, all bets could be off if he plays up to praise he's been getting. Probably unlikely but possible.
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He shouldn't play (outside of mop up) without a Dobbs injury. We need to let the next guy develop for once. But you're right, the praise the coaches are giving, his history at the position, his measurables, and his performance in the spring and fall, combine to make him a nightmare scenario for the guy he's backing up.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
He shouldn't play (outside of mop up) without a Dobbs injury. We need to let the next guy develop for once. But you're right, the praise the coaches are giving, his history at the position, his measurables, and his performance in the spring and fall, combine to make him a nightmare scenario for the guy he's backing up.
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We're on the same page Boro. Part of the value of having a talented guy like QD as your #2 is the competition element....he pushes Dobbs to be better and he forces Sheriron to stay focused and up his game if he wants to challenge for the backup spot. Seems like our QB situation is in great shape as it stands today.
 
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KBVol said:
We're on the same page Boro. Part of the value of having a talented guy like QD as your #2 is the competition element....he pushes Dobbs to be better and he forces Sheriron to stay focused and up his game if he wants to challenge for the backup spot. Seems like our QB situation is in great shape as it stands today.
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I'm not sold on Dobbs....but he had flashes of greatness last year. I'm in a wait and see mode on him. I question his accuracy....but I hope he fulfills his potential. He's the best answer this year, and can be the glue that holds it together. He doesn't have to stellar, just assist the team like Tee during the championship season. The pieces are there, and a smart game manager with legs can take us a long way.

Outside of that, he's a great story, and terrific ambassador for the school. I'm proud he's the face of this team.
 
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So Dormady is gonna come in and complete 65% of his passes? How can you say he is more accurate than someone who has completed over 62% each year? What game did you see him be so accurate? This is ridiculous. Dormady may never start a game. He definitely won't take Dobbs spot.
 
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k-town_king said:
So Dormady is gonna come in and complete 65% of his passes? How can you say he is more accurate than someone who has completed over 62% each year? What game did you see him be so accurate? This is ridiculous. Dormady may never start a game. He definitely won't take Dobbs spot.
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Accuracy has been a knock on Dobbs, not just by me, but by the coaches. You have an issue with my point, take it up with them.

Outside of that, your reading comprehension is suspect or you've chosen not to read and digest what I said. Neither is my problem.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Accuracy has been a knock on Dobbs, not just by me, but by the coaches. You have an issue with my point, take it up with them.

Outside of that, your reading comprehension is suspect or you've chosen not to read and digest what I said. Neither is my problem.
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So like I thought you are pulling this out your you know what.

All the qbs have had praise and criticisms directed at them. Not just QD. Jones was praised for having the quickest release. QD is more developed, having a coach for a father and being here for the spring.

I don't believe QD is more accurate until I see him complete some passes in game. Peterman and RF were supposedly more accurate and better than Dobbs too.
 
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k-town_king said:
So like I thought you are pulling this out your you know what.

All the qbs have had praise and criticisms directed at them. Not just QD. Jones was praised for having the quickest release. QD is more developed, having a coach for a father and being here for the spring.

I don't believe QD is more accurate until I see him complete some passes in game. Peterman and RF were supposedly more accurate and better than Dobbs too.
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The accuracy knock on Dobbs was last year....they've downplayed it this year. Visually, to ME, in the spring game and the open practice....Dormady visually had better touch and accuracy.

Riley was more accurate....he just had a head full of crap. Nobody ever said any such thing about Peterman.....that assertion is yours.

Who's pulling what out of where?

Have you still not chosen to read what I said, or are you that that obtuse?
 
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KBVol said:
Actually, I don't agree they should hold QD back and not let him run the full offense. If he plays the entire 4th quarter of a game, I think you turn him loose for the first couple of possessions, keep the offense open, let him throw the ball and make his reads....he's our 2nd team QB and needs quality reps...just turning around and handing the ball off to Joe Young and John Kelly won't get him ready for a future game if, God forbid, Dobbs goes down. After those couple of possessions, if we still have the big lead, call off the dogs then and just run the ball to the finish off the game and show a little sportsmanship.
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I am not saying they should hold him back I just think they will...which i do not agree with either. They need to give whoever is the #2 a few good series so that he can be confident coming in if he has too, God forbid.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
The accuracy knock on Dobbs was last year....they've downplayed it this year. Visually, to ME, in the spring game and the open practice....Dormady visually had better touch and accuracy.

Riley was more accurate....he just had a head full of crap. Nobody ever said any such thing about Peterman.....that assertion is yours.
Who's pulling what out of where?

Have you still not chosen to read what I said, or are you that that obtuse?
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Well I would say that this is a good point...and it is the exact reason I wouldn't declare Dormady as the next great QB at UT. Not to compare but there have been plenty of highly rated QB that have came to school at UT and never panned out, I hope that isn't what happens with either of our freshmen QBs but it will probably be 2 years before we see either of them in a truly meaningful game without an injury. They could both be superstars but they could bother never start here either, with all of the QB talent I can't wait to get football started this year and see what the future holds for the QBs at UT. Go Vols!!!
 
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johnrlansford said:
I am not saying they should hold him back I just think they will...which i do not agree with either. They need to give whoever is the #2 a few good series so that he can be confident coming in if he has too, God forbid.
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They will...they finally trust their backup. :)
 
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butchna said:
They will...they finally trust their backup. :)
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I hope you are right, but what if he struggles? It could be a long year if he isn't ready for the brightlights and 100,000+ fans screaming. Not everyone with talent can handle the pressures of Teh QB position especially in the SEC. I hope he is everything that everyone thinks he can be. Go Vols!!!
 
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johnrlansford said:
I hope you are right, but what if he struggles? It could be a long year if he isn't ready for the brightlights and 100,000+ fans screaming. Not everyone with talent can handle the pressures of Teh QB position especially in the SEC. I hope he is everything that everyone thinks he can be. Go Vols!!!
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He's going to struggle...Dobbs did. It's better to struggle in a controlled situation.
 
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If Dormady has to play, he will look better than Dobbs did as a frosh, he has better players around him and is probably better prepared.

JMO
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'Boro-vol said:
Agree wholeheartedly. I still say (and it infuriates the Dobbites) that Dormady may be the kind of QB that takes over, and does not readily relinquish the job. He has a level of accuracy in the passing game that I do not believe Dobbs possesses. We'll see.....I truly hope we do not find out this year.
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If we had the 2013 OL, I might agree with you. But Dobbs might be the only difference between our OL giving up 40 and 25 sacks this season and his legs open up the running game for Hurd and Kamara. That's no knock on Dormady, I know he's a good athlete too. But Dobbs has proven that he has the elusiveness and athleticism to erase sacks and make something happen when the protection falls apart.

I think ultimately Dormady has the higher upside and more potential based on his arm talent, but Dobbs is what the offense needs in 2015. He helps make up for our most glaring deficiency in a way that I'm not sure Dormady is ready to do yet.


That said, I hope we let Dormady run the offense full blast for a quarter/quarter and a half or so against BGSU. Gotta make sure he gets as many reps as we can give him so he can get up to speed if Dobbs goes down.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
If we had the 2013 OL, I might agree with you. But Dobbs might be the only difference between our OL giving up 40 and 25 sacks this season and his legs open up the running game for Hurd and Kamara. That's no knock on Dormady, I know he's a good athlete too. But Dobbs has proven that he has the elusiveness and athleticism to erase sacks and make something happen when the protection falls apart.

I think ultimately Dormady has the higher upside and more potential based on his arm talent, but Dobbs is what the offense needs in 2015. He helps make up for our most glaring deficiency in a way that I'm not sure Dormady is ready to do yet.


That said, I hope we let Dormady run the offense full blast for a quarter/quarter and a half or so against BGSU. Gotta make sure he gets as many reps as we can give him so he can get up to speed if Dobbs goes down.
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I don't disagree and believe I said as much.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I think what we disagree on is that I doubt Dormady could take the job and run with it if he got a chance this year. I don't think we'd be setting him up for much success behind this OL.
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Then on that we may have differing opinions. Let's hope we don't find out who is right.
 
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