Dormady's playing time.

[k-town_king]

If we had the 2013 OL, I might agree with you. But Dobbs might be the only difference between our OL giving up 40 and 25 sacks this season and his legs open up the running game for Hurd and Kamara. That's no knock on Dormady, I know he's a good athlete too. But Dobbs has proven that he has the elusiveness and athleticism to erase sacks and make something happen when the protection falls apart.

I think ultimately Dormady has the higher upside and more potential based on his arm talent, but Dobbs is what the offense needs in 2015. He helps make up for our most glaring deficiency in a way that I'm not sure Dormady is ready to do yet.


That said, I hope we let Dormady run the offense full blast for a quarter/quarter and a half or so against BGSU. Gotta make sure he gets as many reps as we can give him so he can get up to speed if Dobbs goes down.

I don't think he has more potential at all. He is just more developed than Dobbs was as a true fr. His father coached him to be a qb his whole life and was here for the spring.

Dobbs can make all the throws and is getting some NFL and Heisman talk. Dormady we don't know. He could be a practice warrior like NP. He could be Peyton.

 

[johnrlansford]

It appears that Zac Jancek is more accurate than both Dobbs and Dormady, per Volquest

Offensive graduate assistant Nick Sheridan put quarterbacks through a target drill during early individual portions of practice. Each quarterback turned away from the net target, with three pockets in the net, and had to turn around and quickly fire at the pockets. The only QB to hit all three pockets? Zac Jancek. It didn't go quite so well for Josh Dobbs or Quinten Dormady. Dobbs hit the edge of the net with one throw and Dormady missed the net entirely on another throw.

Not sure this proves much but just because Dormady looks to be more polished doesn't mean that will result to production on the field. Go Vols!!!

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I don't think he has more potential at all. He is just more developed than Dobbs was as a true fr. His father coached him to be a qb his whole life and was here for the spring.

Dobbs can make all the throws and is getting some NFL and Heisman talk. Dormady we don't know. He could be a practice warrior like NP. He could be Peyton.

What evidence have we seen that Dobbs can make all the throws? I haven't seen him connect on a deep sideline pass yet or throw open a receiver deep.

 

[butchna]

It appears that Zac Jancek is more accurate than both Dobbs and Dormady, per Volquest

Offensive graduate assistant Nick Sheridan put quarterbacks through a target drill during early individual portions of practice. Each quarterback turned away from the net target, with three pockets in the net, and had to turn around and quickly fire at the pockets. The only QB to hit all three pockets? Zac Jancek. It didn't go quite so well for Josh Dobbs or Quinten Dormady. Dobbs hit the edge of the net with one throw and Dormady missed the net entirely on another throw.

Not sure this proves much but just because Dormady looks to be more polished doesn't mean that will result to production on the field. Go Vols!!!

No it probably "proves" that Jancek is awesome and underrated and should be starting. Since Dobbs sucked also.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

No it probably "proves" that Jancek is awesome and underrated and should be starting. Since Dobbs sucked also.

Good point.

 

[johnrlansford]

What evidence have we seen that Dobbs can make all the throws? I haven't seen him connect on a deep sideline pass yet or throw open a receiver deep.

Dobbs completed 63% last year and 80% when blitzed, thats pretty accurate if you ask me. So why is everyone knocking his accuracy. I know he's made some bad throws but so has every other QB in the country.

Dobbs is accurate enough to have a great season this year and next year, barring an injury. Go Vols!!!

 

[Defaultuser]

So Dormady is gonna come in and complete 65% of his passes? How can you say he is more accurate than someone who has completed over 62% each year? What game did you see him be so accurate? This is ridiculous. Dormady may never start a game. He definitely won't take Dobbs spot.

Exactly, he hasn't even faced a true blitz. Just let them keep pushing their agenda, while Dobbs continues to receive high praise from the rest of the country.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Dobbs completed 63% last year and 80% when blitzed, thats pretty accurate if you ask me. So why is everyone knocking his accuracy. I know he's made some bad throws but so has every other QB in the country.

Dobbs is accurate enough to have a great season this year and next year, barring an injury. Go Vols!!!

I don't doubt the last part. However, having a good completion percentage doesn't necessarily make a QB an accurate passer. To date, we haven't seen Dobbs show that he can make "all the throws." He's struggled with the deep ball, especially when it's down the sideline.

That doesn't mean he can't have a great season and be an effective QB. It just means he can't "make all the throws." That's ok though. We should have enough weapons that we shouldn't need him to have to throw open receivers 50 yards down the field.

 

[k-town_king]

I don't doubt the last part. However, having a good completion percentage doesn't necessarily make a QB an accurate passer. To date, we haven't seen Dobbs show that he can make "all the throws." He's struggled with the deep ball, especially when it's down the sideline.

That doesn't mean he can't have a great season and be an effective QB. It just means he can't "make all the throws." That's ok though. We should have enough weapons that we shouldn't need him to have to throw open receivers 50 yards down the field.

He has completed deep passes you speak of, and has had several of them dropped. He has made every throw in game already.

 

[SolidRockGolf]

Have you seen how beautiful the grass is over there?

I see "I hope we don't have to find out" when infact you actually do want to know.

I just want to see our players win games. Whoever is behind center I'll cheer for.

 

[johnrlansford]

I don't doubt the last part. However, having a good completion percentage doesn't necessarily make a QB an accurate passer. To date, we haven't seen Dobbs show that he can make "all the throws." He's struggled with the deep ball, especially when it's down the sideline.

That doesn't mean he can't have a great season and be an effective QB. It just means he can't "make all the throws." That's ok though. We should have enough weapons that we shouldn't need him to have to throw open receivers 50 yards down the field.

I think he has made "all the throws" he needs to make to win games...isn't that what you mean "all the throws", winning is the objective right? I don't think that our lack of the deep ball has been all Dobbs, the receivers haven't helped him in the deep game.

I know Dobbs isn't perfect but his accuracy hasn't been that bad in the games he's played in. 63% isn't mediocre. its faily good IMO.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I think he has made "all the throws" he needs to make to win games...isn't that what you mean "all the throws", winning is the objective right? I don't think that our lack of the deep ball has been all Dobbs, the receivers haven't helped him in the deep game.

I know Dobbs isn't perfect but his accuracy hasn't been that bad in the games he's played in. 63% isn't mediocre. its faily good IMO.

When someone says a QB can make "all the throws," it means the have the arm strength, accuracy, touch, and anticipation to complete even the most difficult of passes. There are very few QBs, even in the NFL, who can make all the throws. Matt Stafford comes to mind.

I'm not trying to dog Dobbs. I think he has all the tools to be a really successful Qb for us and he has been held back by OL and WR issues the past two years.

But that doesn't change the fact that we haven't seen him do very well in the deep passing game. He's flat out missed some guys at points. He's underthrown a couple passes that should have been TDs.

He very well may be capable of being a better deep ball passer, but he just hasn't shown it in games yet. The best deep pass he's completed at UT was in the 2014 spring game to Josh Malone against the backups.

 

[johnrlansford]

When someone says a QB can make "all the throws," it means the have the arm strength, accuracy, touch, and anticipation to complete even the most difficult of passes. There are very few QBs, even in the NFL, who can make all the throws. Matt Stafford comes to mind.

I'm not trying to dog Dobbs. I think he has all the tools to be a really successful Qb for us and he has been held back by OL and WR issues the past two years.

But that doesn't change the fact that we haven't seen him do very well in the deep passing game. He's flat out missed some guys at points. He's underthrown a couple passes that should have been TDs.

He very well may be capable of being a better deep ball passer, but he just hasn't shown it in games yet. The best deep pass he's completed at UT was in the 2014 spring game to Josh Malone against the backups.

So I am a little confused, you are comparing him to NFL QBs? I would agree that there are very few of them who can make "all the throws".

Do you think Dormady can make more throws than Dobbs? I don't think that to be the case, but I wanted to clarify. I just wanted to make usre i wasn't assuming anything.

I believe that Accuracy is defined by completion % to a point except for the receivers dropping passes. The only other way to judge his accuracy is to watch every play and keep count. I just believe that the film will show you more dropped passes by the receivers than bad throws by Dobbs. You don't complete 63% of your passes especially with all of the drops that the receivers have had over the past 2 years and say that he isn't accurate that just doesn't make much sense.

the best completion percentage Matt Stafford ever had was 61% his senior year so I think that says a lot. I know Dobbs only played in 6 games but let wait and see how he finishes this year.

https://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=68896

MATTHEW STAFFORD STATS
2008 61.4
2007 55.7
2006 52.7
Career 57.1

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

So I am a little confused, you are comparing him to NFL QBs? I would agree that there are very few of them who can make "all the throws".

Do you think Dormady can make more throws than Dobbs? I don't think that to be the case, but I wanted to clarify. I just wanted to make usre i wasn't assuming anything.

I believe that Accuracy is defined by completion % to a point except for the receivers dropping passes. The only other way to judge his accuracy is to watch every play and keep count. I just believe that the film will show you more dropped passes by the receivers than bad throws by Dobbs. You don't complete 63% of your passes especially with all of the drops that the receivers have had over the past 2 years and say that he isn't accurate that just doesn't make much sense.

the best completion percentage Matt Stafford ever had was 61% his senior year so I think that says a lot. I know Dobbs only played in 6 games but let wait and see how he finishes this year.

https://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=68896

MATTHEW STAFFORD STATS
2008 61.4
2007 55.7
2006 52.7
Career 57.1

You're not getting it. Accuracy and completion percentage aren't necessarily the same thing. I'm talking purely about arm talent here, not about the other various things that go into making a successful QB. You yourself agreed that there are few QBs who can make all the throws. Maybe 1-2 get drafted with that type of arm talent each season. Dobbs has a lot of strengths as a QB, but being able to make all the throws isnt one he has shown.

As far as Dormady goes? At this point, I don't think he would make more throws than Dobbs. Especially behind our OL. But I do think he is a more naturally talented passer than Dobbs and has more upside purely from an arm talent perspective.

Completion percentage definitely is an indicator of accuracy, but it's not the end all be all. Comparing Stafford's stats at UGA to Dobbs won't necessarily tel the story of who has the better arm. Sure, Dobbs has completed a higher percentage of passes, but he threw a lot of screen passes last season, too. Many more than Stafford threw in those old UGA offenses. He also had the benefit of getting credited for passes on a couple of those sweeps we'd run with Pearson where he's basically just pitch the ball forward. Stafford completed a lower percentage of passes, but he had an absolute cannon for an arm and could throw open receivers deep even if they were covered. He's got the arm to zip in pass on a deep out route so that NFL corners don't have a chance to make a play on it.


And for the record, I'm not calling Dobbs an inaccurate passer (though he does need to improve his consistency on deep passes that aren't down the middle of the field). But you can't really argue with my ultimate point: Dobbs hasn't shown himself able to connect very well on deep passes thus far, especially deep passes down the sideline. His longest pass last season was a screen pass Croom ran 50 yards to the endzone. I admit there are external factors like WR injuries and poor OL play, but if Dobbs had an arm like, say, Tyler Bray (who lacked pretty much everything Dobbs has that can make him great, but had an exceptional arm), then he'd probably have dropped a dime or two for big gains down the sideline at some point in 2013 or 2014.

 

[johnrlansford]

You're not getting it. Accuracy and completion percentage aren't necessarily the same thing. I'm talking purely about arm talent here, not about the other various things that go into making a successful QB. You yourself agreed that there are few QBs who can make all the throws. Maybe 1-2 get drafted with that type of arm talent each season. Dobbs has a lot of strengths as a QB, but being able to make all the throws isnt one he has shown.

As far as Dormady goes? At this point, I don't think he would make more throws than Dobbs. Especially behind our OL. But I do think he is a more naturally talented passer than Dobbs and has more upside purely from an arm talent perspective.

Completion percentage definitely is an indicator of accuracy, but it's not the end all be all. Comparing Stafford's stats at UGA to Dobbs won't necessarily tel the story of who has the better arm. Sure, Dobbs has completed a higher percentage of passes, but he threw a lot of screen passes last season, too. Many more than Stafford threw in those old UGA offenses. He also had the benefit of getting credited for passes on a couple of those sweeps we'd run with Pearson where he's basically just pitch the ball forward. Stafford completed a lower percentage of passes, but he had an absolute cannon for an arm and could throw open receivers deep even if they were covered. He's got the arm to zip in pass on a deep out route so that NFL corners don't have a chance to make a play on it.


And for the record, I'm not calling Dobbs an inaccurate passer (though he does need to improve his consistency on deep passes that aren't down the middle of the field). But you can't really argue with my ultimate point: Dobbs hasn't shown himself able to connect very well on deep passes thus far, especially deep passes down the sideline. His longest pass last season was a screen pass Croom ran 50 yards to the endzone. I admit there are external factors like WR injuries and poor OL play, but if Dobbs had an arm like, say, Tyler Bray (who lacked pretty much everything Dobbs has that can make him great, but had an exceptional arm), then he'd probably have dropped a dime or two for big gains down the sideline at some point in 2013 or 2014.

So would you not agree that an accuarte QB has the opportunity to have a higher completion rate than an unaccurate QB. That is my point. Dobbs hits the majority of the passes that he is required to throw. Yes there are screens and sweeps factored in but he has made plenty of plays and taken the offense on his back down the field not just running but with his arm as well. I am just saying that I haven't seen a problem with his accuracy that makes him any less accurate than any other QB in the country. The inconsistant play of our WRs have also played a factor in the discussion of this topic, could any of those over throws of short throws be the receiver breaking off the route incorrectly, or running the wrong route completely? The South Carolina game last year Dobbs made a heck of a throw to North in the final drive that no one except North could have caught, down the sideline and deep. I just think that defenses haven't been giving us any plays down the sidelines they are forcing our receivers to the middle of the field, which happens to play to the strengths of Dobbs I guess. I don't think it is a lack of accuracy down the sidelines deep but rather a lack of good opportunity to take advantage of that play.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

So would you not agree that an accuarte QB has the opportunity to have a higher completion rate than an unaccurate QB. That is my point. Dobbs hits the majority of the passes that he is required to throw. Yes there are screens and sweeps factored in but he has made plenty of plays and taken the offense on his back down the field not just running but with his arm as well. I am just saying that I haven't seen a problem with his accuracy that makes him any less accurate than any other QB in the country. The inconsistant play of our WRs have also played a factor in the discussion of this topic, could any of those over throws of short throws be the receiver breaking off the route incorrectly, or running the wrong route completely? The South Carolina game last year Dobbs made a heck of a throw to North in the final drive that no one except North could have caught, down the sideline and deep. I just think that defenses haven't been giving us any plays down the sidelines they are forcing our receivers to the middle of the field, which happens to play to the strengths of Dobbs I guess. I don't think it is a lack of accuracy down the sidelines deep but rather a lack of good opportunity to take advantage of that play.

Agree to disagree, I guess. I hope I'm wrong and it was all external factors that accounted for Dobbs never completing the type of deep TD pass that will keep defense honest. I'll gladly eat my crow if he starts connecting on bombs this year.

 

[johnrlansford]

Agree to disagree, I guess. I hope I'm wrong and it was all external factors that accounted for Dobbs never completing the type of deep TD pass that will keep defense honest. I'll gladly eat my crow if he starts connecting on bombs this year.

Not for me to be right but I hope you are wrong on that as well. I hope that Dobbs makes all the throws this year and we are able to forget about the day anyone said he had accuracy problems. Go Vols!!!

 

['Boro-vol]

Not for me to be right but I hope you are wrong on that as well. I hope that Dobbs makes all the throws this year and we are able to forget about the day anyone said he had accuracy problems. Go Vols!!!

Everyone who has had anything positive to say about Dormady actually feels this way about Dobbs....that's what some people are missing in this debate. Positivity about QD is not a slight against the starter.

 

[johnrlansford]

Everyone who has had anything positive to say about Dormady actually feels this way about Dobbs....that's what some people are missing in this debate. Positivity about QD is not a slight against the starter.

I would say yes the majority of fans believe that, but there are a few who are Dormady over Dobbs. I will say that the people who are realistic are agreeing with Dobbs being the Starter but optimistic about Dormady and our other QBs for the future. The future is bright but so is the present. Go Vols!!!

 

[butchna]

I would say yes the majority of fans believe that, but there are a few who are Dormady over Dobbs. I will say that the people who are realistic are agreeing with Dobbs being the Starter but optimistic about Dormady and our other QBs for the future. The future is bright but so is the present. Go Vols!!!

Why worry about the few? There's always going to be a few. :dunno:

 

[johnrlansford]

Why worry about the few? There's always going to be a few. :dunno:

That is the truth, there are always some crazy fans that think the next guy is the best. When they already have a pretty good guy on the field.

 

[dcm3w]

He will if it's not close or against cupcakes. Unless Dobbs is horrible this season...

 

['Boro-vol]

I would say yes the majority of fans believe that, but there are a few who are Dormady over Dobbs. I will say that the people who are realistic are agreeing with Dobbs being the Starter but optimistic about Dormady and our other QBs for the future. The future is bright but so is the present. Go Vols!!!

Nobody has been more pro Dormady than myself...except perhaps the coaches. However you cannot name one person on this board who has called for him to start over Dobbs. It just hasn't happened. You're simply arguing for the sake of argument, and your assertion has no basis in reality.

 

[Nationdom]

Dobbs has been wildly inconsistent, if he doesn't figure it out soon this year QD should be inserted. I don't think Jones will make the same mistake he did last year.

 

[johnrlansford]

Dormady will be the starter by 3/4 the way through the season. You heard it here first. Dude is seriously the real deal.

Really Boro you should probably check your stats first.....This guy is predicting him taking the starting Job so please don't speak about what you don't know.

Who's arguing for the sake of arguing now?