Dormady's playing time.

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GLDunlap said:
butchna said:
When did I say 4.1? You are quickly losing credibility there Butchna and you had very little to start with.
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Part of what you QUOTED: Looking Back: Terrell Owens
"I was just feeling really good that day and thought I'd see how far along I'd come," Owens said following his sensational 40-yard-dash, electronically clocked in a record 4.19 seconds at a speed camp in Berkeley, CA, on what is considered a "slow track". Owens, who broke his own record for the track of 4.33 seconds set several months earlier, had recently defeated rookie 49ers wide receiver Michael Jennings, a former Florida State track star, in an impromptu 40-yard-dash in Osaka, Japan. He decided the time was right to see just how fast he had become.


Now you didn't SAY it but quoted it like a big part of rationalization. My whole point of bringing up TO's COMBINE 40 was to point out the silliness of judging a player by a timed run in shorts. Has nothing to do with how fast a player is on the field. I know what I remember and you can't show me anything to dissuade that. If you could show me that I'm wrong, I'd accept it...have before. :)
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dormany should play the last 5 minutes of the 2nd qtr and the entire 2nd half versus bowling green. we should be up by at least 40 at halftime.
 
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govols105 said:
dormandy should play the last 5 minutes of the 2nd qtr and the entire 2nd half versus bowling green. we should be up by at least 40 at halftime.
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1. Do not underestimate any opponent. BG has one of the top 3 fastest executing offenses in the nation.
2. Dormandy is not Normandy. His name is Dormady without the N.
3. We should win but we have to contain the edges and rotate heavily on the DL to prevent getting gassed.
4. Pound the ball at a much smaller team and once you have their attention, the passing game should be pitch and catch
5. If we follow steps 1-4 we can and should win the game.
 
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butchna said:
GLDunlap said:
Part of what you QUOTED: Looking Back: Terrell Owens
"I was just feeling really good that day and thought I'd see how far along I'd come," Owens said following his sensational 40-yard-dash, electronically clocked in a record 4.19 seconds at a speed camp in Berkeley, CA, on what is considered a "slow track". Owens, who broke his own record for the track of 4.33 seconds set several months earlier, had recently defeated rookie 49ers wide receiver Michael Jennings, a former Florida State track star, in an impromptu 40-yard-dash in Osaka, Japan. He decided the time was right to see just how fast he had become.


Now you didn't SAY it but quoted it like a big part of rationalization. My whole point of bringing up TO's COMBINE 40 was to point out the silliness of judging a player by a timed run in shorts. Has nothing to do with how fast a player is on the field. I know what I remember and you can't show me anything to dissuade that. If you could show me that I'm wrong, I'd accept it...have before. :)
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and you can prove it is true so I guess we have stalemate. Common sense says TO ran better then a 4.7 in 1996 but whatever.....
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GLDunlap said:
butchna said:
and you can prove it is true so I guess we have stalemate. Common sense says TO ran better then a 4.7 in 1996 but whatever.....
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You have to know that players can have bad days...also remember that he didn't have speed coaches that almost all top draft prospects avail themselves with nowadays. He was on the Mocs basketball team in years prior...don't remember if he participated that year but unlikely.

From the perspective of our little dance, I'm going to leave it with this...at the time I was an amateur draft nerd and I was psyched that my hometown school had a prospect this gifted going in...I had followed his time at UTC with what can only be described as glee. I armed myself with multiple draft guides and read every article about WR prospects in that draft. At the time, local draft guru Rick Gosselin, would attend the combine and come back with a very reliable scouting report. TO's name was on the bottom portion of his WR draft prospects and that 4.7 40 time was displayed. This came out BEFORE the draft guides and they all confirmed that time. Without this personal memory I wouldn't have been as dug in on this stupid off topic argument. :hi:
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govols105 said:
dormany should play the last 5 minutes of the 2nd qtr and the entire 2nd half versus bowling green. we should be up by at least 40 at halftime.
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No way...Dormady should get mop up time at best. Dobbs needs to be running this offense as much as possible to be firing on all cylinders going into the Oklahoma game.

Butch won't allow there to be a QB contraversy because some wahoo on here will be saying that Dormady should be starting if he has even a remotely good game.

Butch wants a Single QB not a QB contraversy. Not implying you said that. I just don't believe Dormady will get much opportunity to show out because he wants to krep Dobbs cemented as the QB unless he believes that Dormady is better, which I don't believe is the case or there would have been a QB competition this fall and Not Butch Jones not waivering from Dobbs as the starter.
 
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johnrlansford said:
No way...Dormady should get mop up time at best. Dobbs needs to be running this offense as much as possible to be firing on all cylinders going into the Oklahoma game.

Butch won't allow there to be a QB contraversy because some wahoo on here will be saying that Dormady should be starting if he has even a remotely good game.

Butch wants a Single QB not a QB contraversy. Not implying you said that. I just don't believe Dormady will get much opportunity to show out because he wants to krep Dobbs cemented as the QB unless he believes that Dormady is better, which I don't believe is the case or there would have been a QB competition this fall and Not Butch Jones not waivering from Dobbs as the starter.
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I don't disagree at all....but understand, Butch has NEVER failed to start two QB's in a season. The Dormady detractors (not that you are) would do well to keep that in mind.
 
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johnrlansford said:
No way...Dormady should get mop up time at best. Dobbs needs to be running this offense as much as possible to be firing on all cylinders going into the Oklahoma game.

Butch won't allow there to be a QB contraversy because some wahoo on here will be saying that Dormady should be starting if he has even a remotely good game.

Butch wants a Single QB not a QB contraversy. Not implying you said that. I just don't believe Dormady will get much opportunity to show out because he wants to krep Dobbs cemented as the QB unless he believes that Dormady is better, which I don't believe is the case or there would have been a QB competition this fall and Not Butch Jones not waivering from Dobbs as the starter.
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If we have a substantial, comfortable lead after 3 quarters....say 42-10, 45-13..... I think we see Dormady for the entire 4th quarter. 2 reasons....

1. Gotta get your 2nd QB ready with some game reps. That's 3-4 possessions, very reasonable.

2. The second, more important reason, to Dobbs out of a game where the outcome isn't in question to keep him healthy.

No QB controversy whatsoever, just finishing off the game while keeping your starter healthy and getting your #2 some experience.
 
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KBVol said:
If we have a substantial, comfortable lead after 3 quarters....say 42-10, 45-13..... I think we see Dormady for the entire 4th quarter. 2 reasons....

1. Gotta get your 2nd QB ready with some game reps. That's 3-4 possessions, very reasonable.

2. The second, more important reason, to Dobbs out of a game where the outcome isn't in question to keep him healthy.

No QB controversy whatsoever, just finishing off the game while keeping your starter healthy and getting your #2 some experience.
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Makes sense. And as others have pointed out, many of his reps need to be meaningful, not just hand-offs.
 
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Per Hubbs...

It also should be noted that both Kirkland and Quinten Dormady were roommates in the spring and had a dry erase board in their dorm that the two players used to diagram and study plays together. VolQuest.com will have much more on that dynamic, because like Kirkland, Dormady is firing at a very high level for Tennessee.

Oh, it isn’t just the strapping young quarterback’s arm-strength, either. In fact, Dormady unfurled a 55-yard run during scrimmage-work in practice within the past few days, noting that even some of his defensive teammates told him they thought they had the angle on Dormady but he outran them to score.
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For all you guys who think Dormady is a slow, unathletic, statuesque QB because he's whi....umm...a pocket pro style passer, chew on this.....

Dormady ‘a very good athlete’

Sophomore wide receiver Josh Malone said true freshman quarterback Quinten Dormady, who will open the season as Tennessee’s No. 2 quarterback, has surprised some people with his speed and has shown that he’s “a very good athlete.”

“It’s surprising because you wouldn’t think he could do some of the things he could do, but Quinten’s very athletic,” Malone said.
 
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There's nothing that Dormandy brings to the table as a true freshman that Dobbs doesn't possess. The second string doesn't bring some wrinkle to the game. C'mon man. Can we please start the season.
 
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KBVol said:
If we have a substantial, comfortable lead after 3 quarters....say 42-10, 45-13..... I think we see Dormady for the entire 4th quarter. 2 reasons....

1. Gotta get your 2nd QB ready with some game reps. That's 3-4 possessions, very reasonable.

2. The second, more important reason, to Dobbs out of a game where the outcome isn't in question to keep him healthy.

No QB controversy whatsoever, just finishing off the game while keeping your starter healthy and getting your #2 some experience.
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I agree..I just don't think you'll see alot out of Dormady, they will hold him back and not let him run the wide open offense. That is a very reasonable amount of playing time. We need to make sure we have a backup that can atleast handle the snap and get a play off before the playclock runs out. Im glad that we atleast have a #2 with a pulse this year. Poor N. Peterman.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
I don't disagree at all....but understand, Butch has NEVER failed to start two QB's in a season. The Dormady detractors (not that you are) would do well to keep that in mind.
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I can understand that...but we haven't had a QB that was as good as Dobbs either. I think he stays healthy this year and only misses a few plays all year, for rest and maybe a stinger that requires him to take a play off. This could be a surprising year for all Vol fans if they can keep Dobbs healthy. Go Vols.
 
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johnrlansford said:
I can understand that...but we haven't had a QB that was as good as Dobbs either. I think he stays healthy this year and only misses a few plays all year, for rest and maybe a stinger that requires him to take a play off. This could be a surprising year for all Vol fans if they can keep Dobbs healthy. Go Vols.
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That statement was not just reflective of his time at UT....but in his entire career as a head coach.

I am certain Josh Dobbs appreciates your optimism concerning his lasting good health, but at this point it's an assertion with no basis.
 
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johnrlansford said:
I agree..I just don't think you'll see alot out of Dormady, they will hold him back and not let him run the wide open offense. That is a very reasonable amount of playing time. We need to make sure we have a backup that can atleast handle the snap and get a play off before the playclock runs out. Im glad that we atleast have a #2 with a pulse this year. Poor N. Peterman.
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Actually, I don't agree they should hold QD back and not let him run the full offense. If he plays the entire 4th quarter of a game, I think you turn him loose for the first couple of possessions, keep the offense open, let him throw the ball and make his reads....he's our 2nd team QB and needs quality reps...just turning around and handing the ball off to Joe Young and John Kelly won't get him ready for a future game if, God forbid, Dobbs goes down. After those couple of possessions, if we still have the big lead, call off the dogs then and just run the ball to the finish off the game and show a little sportsmanship.
 
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KBVol said:
Actually, I don't agree they should hold QD back and not let him run the full offense. If he plays the entire 4th quarter of a game, I think you turn him loose for the first couple of possessions, keep the offense open, let him throw the ball and make his reads....he's our 2nd team QB and needs quality reps...just turning around and handing the ball off to Joe Young and John Kelly won't get him ready for a future game if, God forbid, Dobbs goes down. After those couple of possessions, if we still have the big lead, call off the dogs then and just run the ball to the finish off the game and show a little sportsmanship.
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That is what ANY coach, at ANY level would do. Coaching 101.

This defense of Dobbs at all cost is becoming absurd. He is the best option this year. We need to get back to developing QB's, not throwing them to the wolves as a freshman like we have for so long now.....but things happen during a season, and the competition does not lighten up because our starting QB goes down.
 
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I think in todays SEC you play 2 QB's similar to what Spurrier has done at USC. A QB playing 12 games without injury is unusual. The backup needs to be a full speed if you intend to play for the title.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
That is what ANY coach, at ANY level would do. Coaching 101.

This defense of Dobbs at all cost is becoming absurd. He is the best option this year. We need to get back to developing QB's, not throwing them to the wolves as a freshman like we have for so long now.....but things happen during a season, and the competition does not lighten up because our starting QB goes down.
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Hope Dobbs stays healthy, but history shows us it's just not likely for any QB running Butch's offense. Then you throw in this porous OL. Fact is, QD is likely to get some meaningful snaps at some point and letting him run the full offense any chance you get is the best way to protect the team's fortunes going forward. No matter who the backup QB is, he has to be ready to step in and run the offense and letting him run the full offense, even in garbage time, is the best way to groom/develop him should be be needed to play in some important games later in the season.
 
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