Dooley = Genuis?

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dooley2 said:
The one thing I feel strongly about is waiting until the end of the year to see where I stand with the football coach. Another thing I feel strongly about is people calling the coach names like "pathetic" and "idiot". That's completely uncalled for. That's the only reason I'm taking up for him, because people are way out of line with some of their accusations.

And it's cool that you took the time to compare him with all the other coaches, but how can you fairly do such a thing when no other coach in the top 25 has dealt with this kind of situation. The guy up at Penn State will see something very similar, and even a little worse, but not for another year or two when Penn State has had short recruiting classes.

As far as the Vince conversation goes, I have a hard time believing that DD learned nothing about football from VD. Maybe he didn't, I don't know, but you can't deny that he worked closely with the best coach in college football. It has been said that Derek has the closest Saban approach of any of the other Saban disciples. If Dooley's methodology is very close to Saban's then why isn't he winning? Don't you think there's even the slightest possibility it's because of the crappy situation he inherited?

Once again, I'm on the fence. After looking at how bad this program was when Dooley got here, I find it is completely illogical to assume he can't coach. It isn't fair to assess whether he can or not until he at least gets a full class in here, in my honest opinion.[/QUOTe

The main thing that stood out negatively in Dooley's coaching resume is the fact that he has never been an OC or DC. 80 plus percent of the top 25 coached had been one or the other and that makes sense. The OC & DC have to oversee and organize all the coaches and players on their particular side of the ball. They must develop the gameplan under the direct supervision of the HC and consequently will learn his doctrines. IOM, it is a most critical part of the career path of a successful head coach. Dooley skipped that step. He is intelligent, but he is in over his head.

Although I don't think he should have been given the job, I would not suggest he be removed until the season is over. It didn't work too well for us when Fulmer was fired and it just give opens the program up to criticism by talking heads who have no stake in our program.

So maybe the void between our opinions is not as large as it once seemed to be.
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Wylo said:
UT's situation was not the worst situation ever in college football.

Bama had about 4 coaches in a short span. 1 of those sidelined by a strip club.

Michigan went from Power team, to spread, to hybrid. And three coaches in a few years.

Great coaches turn jobs around faster than what Dooley has done.

I am all for waiting until the end of the year, but please stop talking like UT was in the darkest days of college football when he got the job. Was it bad? Sure. But strong leaders would not use that as an excuse.
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When did Bama go through their span, 2001-2006? They went through 3 coaches in 6 years? Is that what you mean, because the third coach was Mike Shula, and he went 10-23. And with Michigan, uh, really? You're using Michigan as a team that has turned it around? Why? Because they've been ranked highly? This is the same Michigan team that got thumped by Alabama right? Ol Miss gave Bama about as good a game as Michigan.

UT was not in the darkest days of college football, but with the SEC as strong as it is now (the strongest from top to bottom that it's ever been), with UTs schedule since Dooley's been here (consistently ranked as one of the toughest schedules in the nation), and with the amount of injuries and missing personnel this team has endured (losing probably 4 of your best 7-10 players last year at some point during the season), one has to keep an open mind.
 
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Are all of you people wanting to fire Dools aware of the buyout provisions in his contract?
 
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So maybe the void between our opinions is not as large as it wonce seemed to be.
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I believe the fact that he's never been a coordinator is a fair criticism.

And my views probably aren't as far from a lot of people in here, I just feel like some people jump to conclusions.
 
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dooley2 said:
When did Bama go through their span, 2001-2006? They went through 3 coaches in 6 years? Is that what you mean, because the third coach was Mike Shula, and he went 10-23. And with Michigan, uh, really? You're using Michigan as a team that has turned it around? Why? Because they've been ranked highly? This is the same Michigan team that got thumped by Alabama right? Ol Miss gave Bama about as good a game as Michigan.

UT was not in the darkest days of college football, but with the SEC as strong as it is now (the strongest from top to bottom that it's ever been), with UTs schedule since Dooley's been here (consistently ranked as one of the toughest schedules in the nation), and with the amount of injuries and missing personnel this team has endured (losing probably 4 of your best 7-10 players last year at some point during the season), one has to keep an open mind.
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I can keep an open mind. I agree with much of what you say. Just not all.
 
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dbarker said:
Dooley2. I agree with you. Comparing Dooley to Top 25 coaches is unfair...dont114 tell me how long each coach thats on you top 25 list took to get his team ranked and what was his record at that point (while being within 6 years of being a head coach) Dooley took two seasons and two games to get a completely dismantled roster to a quality talented and depth team that was ranked. All be it for one game...but we were ranked. Something Kiffin couldnt do with Fulmers players.
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OK-- If you were hiring a new head coach for UT, how would you arrive at the criteria for hiring said coach and what would that cirteria be?

Kiffin won 4 SEC games in that one year (one of those 4 was USCe and he didn't lose to Kentucky). Dooley has won a total of 4.
 
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dont114 said:
OK-- If you were hiring a new head coach for UT, how would you arrive at the criteria for hiring said coach and what would that cirteria be?

Kiffin won 4 SEC games in that one year (one of those 4 was USCe and he didn't lose to Kentucky). Dooley has won a total of 4.
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Kiffin had a better team than Dooley has had. And USCe was not that good in 2009. Neither was Georgia for that matter. Use critical thinking skills to form an opinion, don't just look at wins and losses. It goes deeper than that.

Kiffin had 6 players drafted in 09. Dooley ha had 3 total. Dispute that.
 
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dooley2 said:
Kiffin had a better team than Dooley has had. And USCe was not that good in 2009. Neither was Georgia for that matter. Use critical thinking skills to form an opinion, don't just look at wins and losses. It goes deeper than that.

Kiffin had 6 players drafted in 09. Dooley ha had 3 total. Dispute that.
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I really wish someone would take the time to explain what qualifications you would consider when hiring a HC and how you arrived at them.
 
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dooley2 said:
Kiffin had a better team than Dooley has had. And USCe was not that good in 2009. Neither was Georgia for that matter. Use critical thinking skills to form an opinion, don't just look at wins and losses. It goes deeper than that.

Kiffin had 6 players drafted in 09. Dooley ha had 3 total. Dispute that.
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I agree completely. i mean if we'd had some more draft picks around then you know we beat kentcky last year.
 
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dooley2 said:
Kiffin had a better team than Dooley has had. And USCe was not that good in 2009. Neither was Georgia for that matter. Use critical thinking skills to form an opinion, don't just look at wins and losses. It goes deeper than that.

Kiffin had 6 players drafted in 09. Dooley ha had 3 total. Dispute that.
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He (Dooley) has a number of prospects on the team right now.

Kiffin also had walk-ons playing pivotal roles.

UGA and USC may not have been as good but a win is a win. UT spanked both of those teams.
 
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GahLee said:
He (Dooley) has a number of prospects on the team right now.

Kiffin also had walk-ons playing pivotal roles.

UGA and USC may not have been as good but a win is a win. UT spanked both of those teams.
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A win is a win? Then how come a loss isn't a loss?? How come you put more weight on the Kentucky loss than when Kiffin got drilled by Ol Miss? How come Dooley's win over NC State is less significant than Kiffin's Massacre at the hand of VA Tech?

And Dooley does have a number of prospects now, you are right, because he has 2 1/2 recruiting classes he can call his own. And Tennessee is competitive because of it. The defense (which has a thin secondary still, even more so now that Randolph is hurt) has really hurt this team. Otherwise, we could be 5-0 right now, with 2 very quality SEC wins. Don't forget that UT was beating Florida by a touchdown with less than 4 minutes to go in the 3rd. And don't forget that UT had 3 really good shots at the end of the Georgia game to tie it. This team is arriving.
 
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dooley2 said:
Kiffin had a better team than Dooley has had. And USCe was not that good in 2009. Neither was Georgia for that matter. Use critical thinking skills to form an opinion, don't just look at wins and losses. It goes deeper than that.

Kiffin had 6 players drafted in 09. Dooley ha had 3 total. Dispute that.
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Kiffin developed talent better than Dooley. I submit Jonathan Crompton as an example. David Cutcliffe regarded him as uncoachable.

That is the sole reason that he had more draft picks in one year than Dooley will have had in three.
 
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dooley2 said:
Nick Saban thought the same thing when he made Dooley recruiting coordinator and tight ends coach on a national championship team at LSU.
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I 'm sure he made a major contribution to that championship by making sure all those clerical things related to recruiting were taken care of for Saban. And, he made sure the TEs got to the OL and Reciever meetings. You have certainly convinced me that he is our man.
 
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dont114 said:
I 'm sure he made a major contribution to that championship by making sure all those clerical things related to recruiting were taken care of for Saban. And, he made sure the TEs got to the OL and Reciever meetings. You have certainly convinced me that he is our man.
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Hey Dopey, pay attention. I was responding to a claim that stated Dooley belonged at Carson Newman.
 
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dooley2 said:
A win is a win? Then how come a loss isn't a loss?? How come you put more weight on the Kentucky loss than when Kiffin got drilled by Ol Miss? How come Dooley's win over NC State is less significant than Kiffin's Massacre at the hand of VA Tech?

And Dooley does have a number of prospects now, you are right, because he has 2 1/2 recruiting classes he can call his own. And Tennessee is competitive because of it. The defense (which has a thin secondary still, even more so now that Randolph is hurt) has really hurt this team. Otherwise, we could be 5-0 right now, with 2 very quality SEC wins. Don't forget that UT was beating Florida by a touchdown with less than 4 minutes to go in the 3rd. And don't forget that UT had 3 really good shots at the end of the Georgia game to tie it. This team is arriving.
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Your making too much sense for the negadooles on this board. Its too much for them too take in all at once. Your post is right on the money. When our fortunes turn saround "with DD" The negadooles will flop on there opinion and if we see a tough stretch they will go negative again. It's just in there nature they cant help themselves.:rock:
 
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drodvol said:
Your making too much sense for the negadooles on this board. Its too much for them too take in all at once. Your post is right on the money. When our fortunes turn saround "with DD" The negadooles will flop on there opinion and if we see a tough stretch they will go negative again. It's just in there nature they cant help themselves.:rock:
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Yes, the pseudo-intellectual approach to football analysis is groundbreaking. It leaves the rest of us dumbfounded as how to repsond.

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