Dooley = Genuis?

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dont114 said:
What is he building and where did he learn to be such a good builder?
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Are you serious?

He's building a program back up from the ground. UT was a Phoenix. It burst into flames and became ashes on the ground. A new bird was born from the ashes, and now must grow into the brilliant creature it once was. Getting there presents challenges, but the pedigree of the bird suggests it will learn to fly again.

Dooley got here just in time to see UT rise from the ashes. Now he has to teach it to fly, which he's doing.

And how does he know how? Heck, idk. His dad is a legend of the SEC, he worked many years for probably the best coach in the NCAA.

Do you get that? Is that put in a more creative way for you, or are you still going to make the "look at his record" argument? Do you have another logical argument?
 
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dooley2 said:
Just go back to the previous page. I posted why I'm more optimistic about UT football than pessimistic. I'm tired of seeing the same arguments over and over again. All you guys can come with is garbage like "the record speaks for itself" or "we've become Kentucky" or "this is Tennessee we shouldn't have to rebuild". You all don't consider why we are having to rebuild, or how big of a job it is. You just look at a guy like Dooley, who is working his a** off to change the state of the program, and you ungrateful pricks call him awful names. Instead of doing that, why don't you at least be thankful that he came here and built the roster back up and got Gameday back in Knoxville. If he's not the right man for the job, at least we don't ever hear about recruiting violations or have to worry about reading the paper the next morning. At least you selfish brats should acknowledge that the next guy in line will be in a ton better position than even Kiffin was. Dooley might not be the guy, but he's made the program a heck of a lot more attractive for another coach.
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Money
 
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dooley2 said:
I appreciate the fact that you say you can think for yourself. However, I'm appalled that someone with such a sentiment is willing to throw a coach under the bus, when that coach took over an absolute nothing of a program and has it competitive again without even a full cycle of recruits. Since you can think for yourself, then consider that Lane Kiffin said that 2010 was going to be harder than 2009. Now consider that Kiffin left, and a lot of recruits left as well. Now analyze that the 2007 recruiting class was a bust aside from a couple of players, the 2008 recruiting class was horrid, the 2009 recruiting class is non-existent, and the 2010 class, which was Dooley's first class, which he had a grand total of two weeks to hold together and add to, is now at the rs-soph, junior level now. Look at all of those facts, and add in that the schedule in 2010,2011 and 2012 may be the toughest schedule in succession for UT ever, with the SEC as good as its ever been.

Tell me, since you can think for yourself, what about all of that makes Dooley a bad coach if he's not beating top 15 teams in year 3?


And by the way, I hated the Kiffin hire from the very beginning, but by God I was at the Western Kentucky game cheering my heart out. So yes, I will support whoever the AD hires. Unlike a handful of arrogant fans who think " Hart knows the same things we all know". You honestly think you know more about the program than the athletic director himself. Well, if that's true, color me impressed. Were you a fly on the wall during all their meetings? Can you tell me that Dave Hart has no confidence in Dooley? Or are you just speculating?


......yeah, that's what I thought.

Have a nice day.
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This guy is killing it
 
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dooley2 said:
Being to understand??

EVERYBODY WATCH OUT! WE GOTTA MENSA UP IN THIS PIECE!
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Oh, I did have one more question. When will Dooley's outhouse be finished?

I can't wait for you to call me some more names and try to act like you are intelligent.
 
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dooley2 said:
I appreciate the fact that you say you can think for yourself. However, I'm appalled that someone with such a sentiment is willing to throw a coach under the bus, when that coach took over an absolute nothing of a program and has it competitive again without even a full cycle of recruits. Since you can think for yourself, then consider that Lane Kiffin said that 2010 was going to be harder than 2009. Now consider that Kiffin left, and a lot of recruits left as well. Now analyze that the 2007 recruiting class was a bust aside from a couple of players, the 2008 recruiting class was horrid, the 2009 recruiting class is non-existent, and the 2010 class, which was Dooley's first class, which he had a grand total of two weeks to hold together and add to, is now at the rs-soph, junior level now. Look at all of those facts, and add in that the schedule in 2010,2011 and 2012 may be the toughest schedule in succession for UT ever, with the SEC as good as its ever been.

Tell me, since you can think for yourself, what about all of that makes Dooley a bad coach if he's not beating top 15 teams in year 3?


And by the way, I hated the Kiffin hire from the very beginning, but by God I was at the Western Kentucky game cheering my heart out. So yes, I will support whoever the AD hires. Unlike a handful of arrogant fans who think " Hart knows the same things we all know". You honestly think you know more about the program than the athletic director himself. Well, if that's true, color me impressed. Were you a fly on the wall during all their meetings? Can you tell me that Dave Hart has no confidence in Dooley? Or are you just speculating?


......yeah, that's what I thought.

Have a nice day.
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u sir, need to post more :good!:
 
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Here is my question concerning the talk of the 2007 recruiting class. This group ranked #2 in the SEC and #3 in the country. It's highlights were five 5 star kids and eleven 4 star kids. The part that I question is was it a bust because the kids were busts or because Kiffin/Dooley was not able to coach them to their 4/5 star potential? These kids had offers from tons of high profile teams. 32 kids in that class. They all were busts? Really? I find that hard to believe myself. Just because Dools could not win with them, does not mean Fulmer or another coach could not have. Maybe some of them lost interest in UT. Maybe some saw where the program was headed and wanted out. Maybe the coaches just sucked. With the progress we are seeing with the new recruits, I seem to think the coaches suck may prove to be accurate.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Here is my question concerning the talk of the 2007 recruiting class. This group ranked #2 in the SEC and #3 in the country. It's highlights were five 5 star kids and eleven 4 star kids. The part that I question is was it a bust because the kids were busts or because Kiffin/Dooley was not able to coach them to their 4/5 star potential? These kids had offers from tons of high profile teams. 32 kids in that class. They all were busts? Really? I find that hard to believe myself. Just because Dools could not win with them, does not mean Fulmer or another coach could not have. Maybe some of them lost interest in UT. Maybe some saw where the program was headed and wanted out. Maybe the coaches just sucked. With the progress we are seeing with the new recruits, I seem to think the coaches suck may prove to be accurate.
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Dude, read my posts. I've explained this already. Dooley only got to coach 1 of those 5-stars. One. That means 4 of the 5-stars were gone before Dooley even showed up. And at least 5 of those 4 stars were never coached by Dooley either. That's the attrition I've been trying to tell you about. Why do you think I've been saying Dooley had a depleted roster?

Again, you sound less and less intelligent every time you post. How can the coaches "coach up" kids that aren't even here?
 
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dooley2 said:
Dude, read my posts. I've explained this already. Dooley only got to coach 1 of those 5-stars. One. That means 4 of the 5-stars were gone before Dooley even showed up. And at least 5 of those 4 stars were never coached by Dooley either. That's the attrition I've been trying to tell you about. Why do you think I've been saying Dooley had a depleted roster?

Again, you sound less and less intelligent every time you post. How can the coaches "coach up" kids that aren't even here?
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At least 14 players in the 2 deep were recruited by Fulmer or Kiffin. They are: T. Bray, C. Fugate, J. James, C. Miller, J. Smith, Z. Fulton, M. Teague, Z. Rogers, M. Walls, W. Bohannon, B. Bartholomew, P Waggner, H. Lathers, D. Thomas. That's a pretty good group of football players and includes the starting QB and 3 starting OL.

Now I will grant you, that under normal circumstances, more players from those recruiting classes would still be around and contributing to the program; but the cupboard was not exactly bare.
 
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dooley2 said:
Dude, read my posts. I've explained this already. Dooley only got to coach 1 of those 5-stars. One. That means 4 of the 5-stars were gone before Dooley even showed up. And at least 5 of those 4 stars were never coached by Dooley either. That's the attrition I've been trying to tell you about. Why do you think I've been saying Dooley had a depleted roster?

Again, you sound less and less intelligent every time you post. How can the coaches "coach up" kids that aren't even here?
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Please note I mentioned Kiffin as well. Were they all gone when he got he as well? For some reason I doubt it. As the other poster mentioned, there are alot of guys who play alot of football for this current team that were here before Dooley.

Dooley will never have 5 star kids across the 2 deep here. He is not that good of a recruiter. Can he take less talent and out coach anyone? He has not proved it in 5 years, going on 6 coaching.
 
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People need to realize that Dooley will get the job done. Yes he had a losing record at La Tech...but that was just three years and they went to their first bowl in forever.
Dooley has been around championship football, so has Sunseri... They can do it once Sunseri gets the players he need for his scheme.
Dooley needs to get more players like CP because honestly every powerhouse has one or two players who can score at any moment CP is our first guy like that in a while...
Dooley maybe losing right now but people expected him to win right away in a bad situation...Everyone heard the word Saban and everyone started expecting championships after year two...
Dooley IS NOT SABAN he is a great coach but SABAN had already won a National Title he knew what a HC has to do to do that.. Dooley was a position coach...he doesnt know what the HC has to do but he does know parts of it. Give the guy a chance!! I would love nothing more than to have Gruden...I love his personality and energy...but until Dooley is given a fair chance we need to back up our head coach.
 
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dbarker said:
People need to realize that Dooley will get the job done. Yes he had a losing record at La Tech...but that was just three years and they went to their first bowl in forever.
Dooley has been around championship football, so has Sunseri... They can do it once Sunseri gets the players he need for his scheme.
Dooley needs to get more players like CP because honestly every powerhouse has one or two players who can score at any moment CP is our first guy like that in a while...
Dooley maybe losing right now but people expected him to win right away in a bad situation...Everyone heard the word Saban and everyone started expecting championships after year two...
Dooley IS NOT SABAN he is a great coach but SABAN had already won a National Title he knew what a HC has to do to do that.. Dooley was a position coach...he doesnt know what the HC has to do but he does know parts of it. Give the guy a chance!! I would love nothing more than to have Gruden...I love his personality and energy...but until Dooley is given a fair chance we need to back up our head coach.
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I appreciate your optimism and support for the coach, but you admitted he does not know his job (You are the first Dooley supporter that i feel is being honest about that particular point). I don't think we should be paying someone $2 million dollars to learn his job. That is cheating the player, the university, the state and the fans.
 
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dbarker said:
People need to realize that Dooley will get the job done. Yes he had a losing record at La Tech...but that was just three years and they went to their first bowl in forever.
Dooley has been around championship football, so has Sunseri... They can do it once Sunseri gets the players he need for his scheme.
Dooley needs to get more players like CP because honestly every powerhouse has one or two players who can score at any moment CP is our first guy like that in a while...
Dooley maybe losing right now but people expected him to win right away in a bad situation...Everyone heard the word Saban and everyone started expecting championships after year two...
Dooley IS NOT SABAN he is a great coach but SABAN had already won a National Title he knew what a HC has to do to do that.. Dooley was a position coach...he doesnt know what the HC has to do but he does know parts of it. Give the guy a chance!! I would love nothing more than to have Gruden...I love his personality and energy...but until Dooley is given a fair chance we need to back up our head coach.
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I appreciate your optimism and support for the coach, but you admitted he does not know his job (You are the first Dooley supporter that I feel is being honest about that particular point). I don't think we should be paying someone $2 million dollars to learn his job. That is cheating the players, the university, the state and the fans.
 
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dont114 said:
I appreciate your optimism and support for the coach, but you admitted he does not know his job (You are the first Dooley supporter that I feel is being honest about that particular point). I don't think we should be paying someone $2 million dollars to learn his job. That is cheating the player, the university, the state and the fans.
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I can see your point, but here is my thinking...if Will Muschamp came to UT and Dooley had gone to FU Gators...with the 5 and 4 stars that naturally go to FU...do you think Muschamp would have beat Dooley twice now?? I honestly feel Dooley is moving us in the right direction. We are making progress and strides but unfortunately...and it pains me to say this but its gonna be a slow process. But its one we have to ride it out and watch everygame looking for progress and our team giving every ounce they have.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Please note I mentioned Kiffin as well. Were they all gone when he got he as well? For some reason I doubt it. As the other poster mentioned, there are alot of guys who play alot of football for this current team that were here before Dooley.

Dooley will never have 5 star kids across the 2 deep here. He is not that good of a recruiter. Can he take less talent and out coach anyone? He has not proved it in 5 years, going on 6 coaching.
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Number 1, how can you say Dooley will never have 5 stars across the board? You are assuming. Just like you've assumed everything else. I have not assumed one thing in any of my posts, go back and look. You base your opinions off assumptions, I base mine on actual events.

And to answer your first paragraph, Kiffin ran a lot of those guys off. Either that or they didn't like his system and left. But you say, "for some reason I doubt it". Again with the assumptions. Just look it up. It's on true internet. You can google every player that was kicked off or left the team and find out why and when it happened. Stop assuming.
 
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Its slow progress but I think thats because Dooley is trying to focus in every little thing to be perfect
 
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dbarker said:
I can see your point, but here is my thinking...if Will Muschamp came to UT and Dooley had gone to FU Gators...with the 5 and 4 stars that naturally go to FU...do you think Muschamp would have beat Dooley twice now?? I honestly feel Dooley is moving us in the right direction. We are making progress and strides but unfortunately...and it pains me to say this but its gonna be a slow process. But its one we have to ride it out and watch everygame looking for progress and our team giving every ounce they have.
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I can't predict the future, but I can honsetly say that I believe Muschamp would have beaten Dooley twice. I say that because I believe he has the edge on Dooley as a leader/motivator, gameplanner and gameday coaching by a wide margin.
 
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Twice we have played toe to toe with Florida...last year we barely lost...thisbyear we lost on 3 plays but the rest of the plays were ok. Dooley has 1 5 star playing....Muschamp has a field of 4 & 5 stars. FU has talent edge...but to play close with them....thats coaching. If UT doesnt give up in he Florida game we had a shot to come back.
 
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dooley2 said:
Number 1, how can you say Dooley will never have 5 stars across the board? You are assuming. Just like you've assumed everything else. I have not assumed one thing in any of my posts, go back and look. You base your opinions off assumptions, I base mine on actual events.

And to answer your first paragraph, Kiffin ran a lot of those guys off. Either that or they didn't like his system and left. But you say, "for some reason I doubt it". Again with the assumptions. Just look it up. It's on true internet. You can google every player that was kicked off or left the team and find out why and when it happened. Stop assuming.
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When you give "he is the son of Vince Dooley" as one of the reasons that Derek will be successful, aren't you assuming he can coach because his daddy could? That's a pretty long reach. You know, you might not be a bad person to discuss this with if you would stop trying to insult everyone who disagrees with you.
 
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dbarker said:
Twice we have played toe to toe with Florida...last year we barely lost...thisbyear we lost on 3 plays but the rest of the plays were ok. Dooley has 1 5 star playing....Muschamp has a field of 4 & 5 stars. FU has talent edge...but to play close with them....thats coaching. If UT doesnt give up in he Florida game we had a shot to come back.
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Thank you for making my point. Florida did not give up. That's because they were well coached--not because they were 4 & 5 star.
 
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While I do agree that players reflect their coaches on the field...Dooley has consistently been coaching them to finish their job, continue playing hard...A coach can only do so much. The players have to decide whether they want to play all game or not.
 
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dont114 said:
At least 14 players in the 2 deep were recruited by Fulmer or Kiffin. They are: T. Bray, C. Fugate, J. James, C. Miller, J. Smith, Z. Fulton, M. Teague, Z. Rogers, M. Walls, W. Bohannon, B. Bartholomew, P Waggner, H. Lathers, D. Thomas. That's a pretty good group of football players and includes the starting QB and 3 starting OL.

Now I will grant you, that under normal circumstances, more players from those recruiting classes would still be around and contributing to the program; but the cupboard was not exactly bare.
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Tyler Bray, was a solid get, although he would have gone to any major D-1 school that offered. We were the only ones to, because we were short a qb after Kiffin ran off Taj Boyd. Channing Fugate backs up a sophomore. Jawuan James was a solid get. Corey Miller backs up one of Dooley's guys. Jacquez Smith starts. Zach Fulton starts. Marsalis Teague backs up a sophomore. Zach Rogers backs up two of Dooley's guys, would be 3 if Da'rick hadn't smoked the dope. Marlon Walls is second string. Willie Bohannon is second string. Ben Bartholomew starts at a full back position that UT rarely uses. P-Wagg starts. Lathers starts but has been hurt all his career including missing time this season. Dallas Thomas solid get.

So of those 14 guys, 7 start. So, yep, we've got a lot of talent held over from the Fulmer and Kiffin recruits.

These are the classes that are supposed to be the leaders of our team, and there are only seven that actually start.
 
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dbarker said:
While I do agree that players reflect their coaches on the field...Dooley has consistently been coaching them to finish their job, continue playing hard...A coach can only do so much. The players have to decide whether they want to play all game or not.
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Well, I spent many years in the military in a leadership
position and my experiences have convinced me that properly motivated people do not give up.
 
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