Dodd: Butch Jones is Underrated

[Darth_Shiveman]

Has he done enough to earn what he's made?

He's the 7th highest paid coach in the SEC. Team has been around middle of the pack in the SEC the past two seasons.


SEC HC salaries are a ridiculous arms race that can't be logically defended anyway

 

[WiseOlVol]

Butch has not had the luxury of 2-deep talent to be able to make in-game adjustments. On defense, we've been just trying to hang on. On offense, Butch just needs to roll the balls out.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Butch has not had the luxury of 2-deep talent to be able to make in-game adjustments. On defense, we've been just trying to hang on. On offense, Butch just needs to roll the balls out.

Well he's had 5 years to recruit. How many recruiting cycles does it take? I didn't see Saban crying about 2-deep talent when he took Alabma to the SEC Championship in year TWO.

 

[JVol76]

Butch has not had the luxury of 2-deep talent to be able to make in-game adjustments. On defense, we've been just trying to hang on. On offense, Butch just needs to roll the balls out.

A b.s and complety invalid argument. I'm not sure what it is you watch on Saturdays in the fall but with some of your ridiculous comments it sure as hell isn't UT football.

 

[KBVol]

well, he referenced the ranking of coaches, and CBJ being 52nd on that list....and then gave however many of his own lists showing CBJ's accomplishments relative to some of his contemporaries....and posed the question.

that, and the fact CBJ is generally considered more of a clown than head coach on social media.....lol:

Jones has worked extremely hard to thoroughly and completely earn that clown title on social media. Gotta hand it to him there.

 

[volfan102455]

He's the 7th highest paid coach in the SEC. Team has been around middle of the pack in the SEC the past two seasons.


SEC HC salaries are a ridiculous arms race that can't be logically defended anyway

And salaries for most folks regardless of job are in comparison to their peers - Coach Jones peers are the other SEC coaches.

 

[KBVol]

Butch has not had the luxury of 2-deep talent to be able to make in-game adjustments. On defense, we've been just trying to hang on. On offense, Butch just needs to roll the balls out.

That's complete crap. He's been here 4 years and has had 4 recruiting cycles to change that. He's completely turned over there entire roster and then some....he's signed 107 players since he's been here. If he doesn't have a deeply talented 2-deep that's a full failure on his part.

 

[Teeman]

I agree 100%.

Many Vol fans and the national media are evaluating Butch by the standards of our late 1990s success. He's a "failure" because he hasn't won an SEC Championship or gone 10-2 in his four seasons.

Yet, realistically speaking, Butch has had a grand total of TWO seasons where he was competitive talent-wise in the SEC. His record in those two seasons is 18-8. It's not spectacular, but it's also well above-average.

The 2013 and 2014 teams would not have fared well regardless of coach. The 2013 team was devoid of talent in the skilled positions and had no depth on defense. The 2014 team had one of the weakest O-lines in UT history; and also an extreme lack of depth; and all of this was a result of Dooley's incompetence. Not even Nick Saban could've made the '13 and '14 teams competitive in the SEC. Yet the Butch naysayers constantly cite losses from those two years as proof that Butch is terrible.

To evaluate Butch, you have to consider where we were in 2012 and what the blueprint should have been to succeed. In two short years, he restocked the roster and had us competitive talent-wise in the SEC. He's had some of the most difficult schedules in the nation and has held up OK.

The frustrating part is that Butch has made us very good again, but not great. 9-4 is not awful, but we should've never lost to South Carolina and Vandy last season. However, our defense was decimated by injuries, and that obviously impacted us at the end of the season. Nevertheless, coaching and conditioning were at least part of the problem. Butch has attempted to address those issues in the offseason.

I've said this all along: I don't know if Butch will take us to the Promised Land, but he's done enough to earn another couple of seasons. He has a lot of similarties with Dabo Swinney, who also had some early struggles, before tweaking his coaching staff in Year 4 and Year 5. Now Dabo has a national championship.

Butch is a good coach. The only question is whether he's a great coach and that's yet to be answered.

Solid post. An honest, realistic assessment of CBJ. We should have ended the thread right here, but I see it went on another eight pages.

 

[Behr]

It seems the complaints about Butch's salary are similar to the "mental gymnastics" that the Butch "apologists" get accused of. Would some of you be happy and content with Butch if he were making 50,000 a year? Pay him for what you think he's worth and keep him? Save 15-20 million, with the same results? Some of you work in the Athletic Department?

Lol, tell me where I'm wrong, cause I know I am.

 

[Advol]

Underrated...........NO
His slightly above average rating is exactly where it should be!
Butch has performed just a hair over average and will not be a great Coach until he stops wanting to be popular.
Winning at life is cute. Winning games and Championships is why he was hired.

 

[Godfatha]

Butch deserves all of the criticism he gets for crapping the bed against South Carolina and Vandy last year and failing to win an extremely weak SEC East. There is a troubling trend where if there is something major on the line, we choke it away under this staff.

I am, however, hopeful that the changes in the staff will bring an improvement to OL and DB play, two areas where I think our position coaches were failing us. Not to be captain obvious, but 2017 will tell a lot about Jones future at UT. The East is still weak and I see no reason why we should not make the SEC championship game if our QB pans out.

 

[KBVol]

Has he done enough to earn what he's made?

Without question he has. He's middle of the pack in the SEC salary-wise

Imho, no one can question the outstanding work he's done off the field to turn this program around. He's changed/significantly improved the culture, fixed/hired the right guy and put the right emphasis on fixing the APR, greatly improved the roster, marketed the program very well, fixed badly damaged recruiting/former player relationships, and has gotten the prigram back on a winning footing. There's no doubt he's earned the $4mm he makes.

What's in question for me are only a couple or 3 things: poor gameday decision-making/losing games he shouldn't, saying stupid things in the media that embarrass himself(though he doesn't seem to realize it) and the program and running away from high expectations at all costs.

But on balance, yes, there's no question he's been worth the money thus far.

 

[SGMVols]

Fun fact: Butch Jones is 2-6 combined against Derek Dooley, Will Muschamp, and Vanderbilt.

 

[Burger]

Fun fact: Butch Jones is 2-6 combined against Derek Dooley, Will Muschamp, and Vanderbilt.

Sad!

 

[Power T-Rev]

I counter with the following video posted from Colin Cowherd on Chip Kelly coaching the Vols... On one hand he praises UT as a top 10 school, but follows with the fact that we have a gym teacher as a coach.

I LIKE CBJ, but I'd LOVE Chip Kelly to be the coach.

http://www.rockytoptalk.com/2017/6/...ching-carousel-tennessee-hot-seat-butch-jones

Is CBJ underrated, I don't think so. As a recruiter he's been great, but in game coaching and adjustments, I think he gets his fair criticism. My hope is that we take another step forward this coming season and CBJ proves the doubters (including me at times) wrong and he sticks around, but I can't help but imagine what the alternative could be should we not.

Colin Cowturd lol

 

[DeutshVollen]

I am happy for three things. First thing is my teacher says my English has emproved. I must learn much more but did get better. Two thing is your AD man Curry call out the bad nega vols. Yay! Sehr Gut. Three thing is Jakob maybe play more this time. I real want to see him do the well.

 

[ru4real-really?]

statistics...you can prove anything with statistics...and the Bible:rock:

 

[ru4real-really?]

I am happy for three things. First thing is my teacher says my English has emproved. I must learn much more but did get better. Two thing is your AD man Curry call out the bad nega vols. Yay! Sehr Gut. Three thing is Jakob maybe play more this time. I real want to see him do the well.

right on brother!

 

[Grand Vol]

Butch is on a faster rebuild than Johnny. It's entirely possible that Butch will win an SEC Title faster than Johnny did at UT. But, what UT needs is a coach that can compete and beat Saban.

Saban can be beat, that's not the issue.

It's having a coach that can compete with Saban on a year to year basis. And I'm not sure if there's a coach out there other than Urban that has that in their particular wheelhouse.

Coaches like Saban are a once in a lifetime type of deal.

 

[ru4real-really?]

Colin Cowturd lol

a coach cannot be everywhere on that sideline. A lot of the criticism from the past can be laid at the feet of assistants. (which is on the head man too) At least the staff is different and maybe the "on field coaching and game management" situations will improve...it's got to!

 

[IknoxvolsI]

Without question he has. He's middle of the pack in the SEC salary-wise

Imho, no one can question the outstanding work he's done off the field to turn this program around. He's changed/significantly improved the culture, fixed/hired the right guy and put the right emphasis on fixing the APR, greatly improved the roster, marketed the program very well, fixed badly damaged recruiting/former player relationships, and has gotten the prigram back on a winning footing. There's no doubt he's earned the $4mm he makes.

Still doesn't mean he's worth the $4 million he makes. Was Mason worth more than he was making?

Butch was just a stop gap measure. It's time to stop wasteing that money!

 

[Grand Vol]

I am happy for three things. First thing is my teacher says my English has emproved. I must learn much more but did get better. Two thing is your AD man Curry call out the bad nega vols. Yay! Sehr Gut. Three thing is Jakob maybe play more this time. I real want to see him do the well.

You should really tell off the Nega Vols in this forum mit Deutsche.

Everything sounds worse in your language. You could give the recipe for cookies from ihr Großmutter and it would sound really bad.

 

[ALLVOL 4LIFE]

How about for starters that Butch Jones has not yet won any type of championship at Tennessee to date. He can spin his record anyway he wants, but he has NO CHAMPIONSHIPS AT TENNESSEE!!!!!

Yes he has! We were Champions of Life last year

 

[Witch_Doctor]

Witch Doctor say we are the champions of the dumbest fans in College sports. #Championsofwhine

BNL

 

[ALLVOL 4LIFE]

1) Jones has brought talent to Tennessee.
2) Jones has also developed that talent as well.
3) Jones has also underachieved.

Not sure any of those points are arguable at this point. We can make excuses to justify our opinion for each one but those are the facts. Perhaps the coaching changes and having a year without so many injuries will put Butch in better standing but we are where we are right now and that's mediocrity.

Oh, I'd say #2 is debatable. Player development has been an issue all 4 of CBJ's seasons.

I agree BV! All the LB's and DB's filling in last year was not true freshmen. Our back ups have not been developed to be ready for action. Need an example: how long has Elliot Berry been at UT? Kid is athletic...why can he not be on the field more? Under Developed!