Difference between Kiffin and Dooley

#80
#80
. . . and he tried to talk most of them into staying home from classes the morning after his press conference and announcement that he was jumping ship to USuCk. Kiffin's orders to Orgeron to call those guys (during or immediately following the press conference, by the way) was the most telling example of what that guy is and what he stands for.

I know he left behind some good players . . . and there's probably a good argument that he did some things that helped re-energize the program, but Lane Kiffin is a disgrace as a man. He has no integrity and no professionalism. He came in, ran his mouth and drug our program down into the dirt (a place where Phil Fulmer, despite all his faults, never took us). Then, after Kiffin talked a big game about "building a championship program" and about his long term commitment to UT, he takes off in the middle of the night to be the head coach at a program that was sanctioned by the NCAA for violations that occurred when he was an assistant coach at that same school.

Lane Kiffin is scum. Derek Dooley appears to be a solid coach and, so far, a man of character. We'll see if that turns out to be case with Dooley. One thing is certain: Kiffin has already proven what kind of low life he really is.

Not disagreeing with you. Just pointing out that Kiffin's time here was 100% all bad is patently wrong. That is all. I'm glad he's gone.

I'll say this one more time, and I'll never say it again. When Kiffin was hired, it was the 2010 schedule that I took a look at. Absolutely brutal.....I will go to my grave knowing that Kiffin didn't want to play our 2010 schedule with the talent he had coming back. Flame away, but this year was going to be rock bottom no matter who was coaching the team.

Maybe it is a blessing he was gone. Kiff was a master recruiter, but his second 6-6 season in a row may have cost him some momentum. I'm not saying it would, but it is certainly a possibility.

Dooley had a built in excuse for a terrible schedule during a low point in talent. Now Dooley must recruit.

This. All of it. What I'm giving Dooley credit for so far is navigating this team through what was certainly going to be a painful 2010 season and getting us to a bowl.

We need players, badly.
 
#81
#81
Dooley attempted to beat Florida and lost to the #1 Oregon.
Kiffin ran out the clock while trailing Florida and lost to 7-6 UCLA

Other than that Kiffin beat UGA in Knoxville and Dooley lost to UGA at Athens, otherwise the two seasons are pretty much the same.
 
#82
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Dooley attempted to beat Florida and lost to the #1 Oregon.
Kiffin ran out the clock while trailing Florida and lost to 7-6 UCLA

Other than that Kiffin beat UGA in Knoxville and Dooley lost to UGA at Athens, otherwise the two seasons are pretty much the same.

You can't compare the two seasons.
 
#83
#83
Sorry SGM, wrong again. Dooley left with the support of the admins at LA tech. He had permission from the AD.... Himself! Ha ha! Really even you know kiffin was wrong the way he left. It's for the best...
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Don't bother I've already pointed that out to SGM.... For the life of me don't know why it's his mission to prop that snake.
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#86
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Don't bother I've already pointed that out to SGM.... For the life of me don't know why it's his mission to prop that snake.
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Actually, Hamilton had already told Kiffin that he was fine with him talking to USC, but, at the time, they hadn't contacted Kiffin yet. The bottom line is that they both made good career moves for themselves (at least in their opinions). I can't fault either of them for that. I wish Kiffin had shown more class in the process (not that it would've changed anything in the end).
 
#87
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Why not? Dooley did almost the same thing with a less talented team with a slightly harder schedule.

B/c they're just too different. Kiffin had more talent/experience and was able to dominate UGA and South Carolina. He nearly beat Alabama. Dooley just wasn't given that set of cards. His wins just are not nearly as impressive nor should they be.
 
#90
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Actually, Hamilton had already told Kiffin that he was fine with him talking to USC, but, at the time, they hadn't contacted Kiffin yet. The bottom line is that they both made good career moves for themselves (at least in their opinions). I can't fault either of them for that. I wish Kiffin had shown more class in the process (not that it would've changed anything in the end).

That's the point, the manner in which a man goes about his business defines him. Kiffin takes his dream job, fine. Kiffin leaves 12 days before signing day and attempts to bring EEs from a program decimated by attrition... Not fine.
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#91
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That's the point, the manner in which a man goes about his business defines him. Kiffin takes his dream job, fine. Kiffin leaves 12 days before signing day and attempts to bring EEs from a program decimated by attrition... Not fine.
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The day he becomes USC's coach, it becomes his job to recruit players to USC. If that involves recruiting players he recruited to UT, so be it.

If UT hired Nick Saban, wouldn't you want him to try to bring his Alabama recruits with him?
 
#92
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That's the point, the manner in which a man goes about his business defines him. Kiffin takes his dream job, fine. Kiffin leaves 12 days before signing day and attempts to bring EEs from a program decimated by attrition... Not fine.
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Yeah, but he couldn't control when the job came open. Just like Dooley couldn't control when the UT job came open. I do agree on the attempts to get players. I would like to know what all Orgeron told them. If he was explaining their options, then I don't really find fault in that. Right or wrong, kids commit to coaching staffs rather than schools sometimes.
 
#93
#93
I am just glad that Kiffin is gone. Bad things were on the horizon for this program with him at the helm. I feel a lot better with CDD than I ever did with CLK.
 
#94
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The day he becomes USC's coach, it becomes his job to recruit players to USC. If that involves recruiting players he recruited to UT, so be it.

If UT hired Nick Saban, wouldn't you want him to try to bring his Alabama recruits with him?


Then why did he lie about it ?
 
#96
#96
Don't bother I've already pointed that out to SGM.... For the life of me don't know why it's his mission to prop that snake.
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What's hilarious is that everyone on this site had the exact same position about last season but mysteriously everything change the day he took the Southern Cal job. All of a sudden it was a ****ty season. This 6-win season, however, is incalculably awesome.
 
#97
#97
What's hilarious is that everyone on this site had the exact same position about last season but mysteriously everything change the day he took the Southern Cal job. All of a sudden it was a ****ty season. This 6-win season, however, is incalculably awesome.



Highly inaccurate statement right there.
 
#98
#98
Highly inaccurate statement right there.

I'll bet I could pull ten names out of this thread alone that spun on their heels.

If Dooley left tomorrow there'd be 100 threads this time next year about how much better the new guy is and how stupid DD was for losing to LSU, etc, etc.
 
#99
#99
The best way to evaluate Kiffin's "left the program better than I found it" statement is to see what the free market actually said about it. When Kiffin was hired, the Tennessee job was still considered attractive enough that Hamilton apparently had several credible candidates, and ended up hiring a coach with NFL experience. When he left, roster attrition and the timing of it meant that Tennessee could no longer interest the same quality of coaches, and had to settle for a guy out of the WAC with a losing record. If Kiffin had really left the program in meaningfully better shape than it was in when he was hired, somebody with a decent resume would have wanted the job.
 
I'll bet I could pull ten names out of this thread alone that spun on their heels.

If Dooley left tomorrow there'd be 100 threads this time next year about how much better the new guy is and how stupid DD was for losing to LSU, etc, etc.



That, I don't doubt, but to say everyone felt the same about last seasons performance under Kiffin is over the top.
 

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