Difference between Kiffin and Dooley

#51
#51
BoseefusTheVol said:
If he didn't bolt Ruston and turned down the Tennessee job then La Tech should fire him for being insane...
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Exactly. He left because the UT job is a clear upgrade to Louisiana Tech.

And about 99% of non-UT fans would consider the USC job an upgrade to the UT job (and before you try to bring up the probation, the sanctions came after the offer. If he took the job after the penalties came down, then there would be plenty of people wondering what he was thinking, myself included).
 
#52
#52
To all the Kiffin "left the program better than he found it" crap.

1. Bray is here due to Chaney
2. All the EE's didn't have to go to class, but they did when they didn't even know who their coach was going to be. AKA this is known as being committed to a school rather than a coach.
3. None of you know where Rogers would've went nor Hunter would've went.

So let's see Kiffin got us Teague, Jackson, Gordon, and a few others and Douglas, Brown, NuKeese, Edwards, and Myles are no longer here. What is here because of Kiffin and the players that Kiffy got that are no longer here shows that he left us worse off. Let's revisit Kiffy's first recruiting class here.

Jerod Askew- Nonfactor
Bryce Brown- Not here
Mike Edwards- Not here
Eric Gordon - Contributor
James Green- Not here
Daniel Hood- Career Backup
Janzen Jackson- Contributor
Arthur Jeffery- Can't break the depth chart at a position of need
Greg King- Verdict is still out
Nigel Mitchell-Thornton- Backup
Darren Myles- No longer here
Robert Nelson- Nonfactor
David Oku- Nonfactor
Nyshier Oliver- Verdict is still out
Kevin Revis- Terrible
Nu'Keese Richardson- Not here
Zach Rogers- Decent
JerQuari Schofield- Contributor
Rae Sykes- Nonfactor
Marsalis Teague- Contributor
Marlon Walls- Will be a contributor (not here because of Kiffin)
Toney Williams- nonfactor

Class looks really great now doesn't it?
 
#54
#54
SGMVols said:
Exactly. He left because the UT job is a clear upgrade to Louisiana Tech.

And about 99% of non-UT fans would consider the USC job an upgrade to the UT job (and before you try to bring up the probation, the sanctions came after the offer. If he took the job after the penalties came down, then there would be plenty of people wondering what he was thinking, myself included).
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It was a lateral move. He likes it out west, and I like him out there.
Unless you are putting on an act to piss people off, your love of him is just stupid. Just go with him, even now So Cal fans are sick of him. Just go there and try to be their voice of reason.
Yes Kiffin can recruit like a machine, I will give him that (hopefully no major NCAA violations during his time here). But he was not the answer, get over it.
And I did not cut his head off in January like a lot of folks, September 10, 2009, and never got back on the "Lane Train".
 
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#55
#55
SGMVols said:
Exactly. He left because the UT job is a clear upgrade to Louisiana Tech.

And about 99% of non-UT fans would consider the USC job an upgrade to the UT job (and before you try to bring up the probation, the sanctions came after the offer. If he took the job after the penalties came down, then there would be plenty of people wondering what he was thinking, myself included).
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I didn't know 99% thought that USC is a better gig than Tennessee. Where did you do your research? Los Angeles? I guess I'm wrong then for hating that piece of crap and his over rated daddy.
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#56
#56
tvols75 said:
To all the Kiffin "left the program better than he found it" crap.

1. Bray is here due to Chaney
2. All the EE's didn't have to go to class, but they did when they didn't even know who their coach was going to be. AKA this is known as being committed to a school rather than a coach.
3. None of you know where Rogers would've went nor Hunter would've went.

So let's see Kiffin got us Teague, Jackson, Gordon, and a few others and Douglas, Brown, NuKeese, Edwards, and Myles are no longer here. What is here because of Kiffin and the players that Kiffy got that are no longer here shows that he left us worse off. Let's revisit Kiffy's first recruiting class here.

Jerod Askew- Nonfactor
Bryce Brown- Not here
Mike Edwards- Not here
Eric Gordon - Contributor
James Green- Not here
Daniel Hood- Career Backup
Janzen Jackson- Contributor
Arthur Jeffery- Can't break the depth chart at a position of need
Greg King- Verdict is still out
Nigel Mitchell-Thornton- Backup
Darren Myles- No longer here
Robert Nelson- Nonfactor
David Oku- Nonfactor
Nyshier Oliver- Verdict is still out
Kevin Revis- Terrible
Nu'Keese Richardson- Not here
Zach Rogers- Decent
JerQuari Schofield- Contributor
Rae Sykes- Nonfactor
Marsalis Teague- Contributor
Marlon Walls- Will be a contributor (not here because of Kiffin)
Toney Williams- nonfactor

Class looks really great now doesn't it?
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Not to mention you have give credit to Fulmer for some of those.
 
#57
#57
mkil5 said:
It was a lateral move. He likes it out west, and I like him out there.
Unless you are putting on an act to piss people off, your love of him is just stupid. Just go with him, even now So Cal fans are sick of him. Just go there and try to be their voice of reason.
Yes Kiffin can recruit like a machine, I will give him that (hopefully no major NCAA violations during his time here). But he was not the answer, get over it.
And I did not cut his head off in January like a lot of folks, September 10, 2009, and never got back on the "Lane Train".
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UT to pre-probation USC isn't a lateral move.
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#59
#59
USC was a step up from Tennessee at the time. 10 years ago, or even now with the sanctions, not as much.
 
#60
#60
The difference between Kiffin and Dooley leaving 12 days before NSD:

The Vols had made a significant good faith investment in Kiffin when he was unproven and 11 months later he leaves them high and dry. LA Tech is never going to match what Dooley is making at UT. They recognize they are a stepping stone program. Dooley didn't screw them over. He gave them 3 years, and they weren't gonna match the pay raise.

That being said, I don't care that Kiffin left. His timing was bad, but I don't fault him for leaving for his dream job. I do fault him for trying to take players and being a snake about it.
 
#61
#61
Probation notwithstanding, I can't see any logical argument that says Tennessee is a better job than USC.

Significantly better market, recruiting pool, ease of competition, history and tradition, etc.

USC and Texas stand alone as the best gigs in college ball and save a few exceptions it ain't close. Tennessee, despite all the historical success, is not one of those exceptions.
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#62
#62
milohimself said:
As much crap as Kiffin gets, he left us some great players.

I'm not so sure I disagree with him anymore when he said he left the program in better shape than he found it.
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. . . and he tried to talk most of them into staying home from classes the morning after his press conference and announcement that he was jumping ship to USuCk. Kiffin's orders to Orgeron to call those guys (during or immediately following the press conference, by the way) was the most telling example of what that guy is and what he stands for.

I know he left behind some good players . . . and there's probably a good argument that he did some things that helped re-energize the program, but Lane Kiffin is a disgrace as a man. He has no integrity and no professionalism. He came in, ran his mouth and drug our program down into the dirt (a place where Phil Fulmer, despite all his faults, never took us). Then, after Kiffin talked a big game about "building a championship program" and about his long term commitment to UT, he takes off in the middle of the night to be the head coach at a program that was sanctioned by the NCAA for violations that occurred when he was an assistant coach at that same school.

Lane Kiffin is scum. Derek Dooley appears to be a solid coach and, so far, a man of character. We'll see if that turns out to be case with Dooley. One thing is certain: Kiffin has already proven what kind of low life he really is.
 
#66
#66
Wasnt Kiff & Ogre on board at USC during the time of SC's er transgressions. You reap what you sow. JS IMO
 
#67
#67
ballou1024 said:
Kiffin can recruit Dooley can't.
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Kiffin can recruit and Dooley can't! Ok, Brown gone after a year of being spoon fed by Kiffin and numerous other arrests of his recruits. Dooley can out recruit Dooley any day of the week. Don't get caught up with the stars beside their names. I saw the five star players for USC dropping passes last night like crazy.

Not to mention the Kiffin name is now tarnished thanks to Lil Lane.
 
#69
#69
Well it kinda simply what separates Dooley from that piece of crap. Dooley a man and that piece crap is a joke.
 
#70
#70
Dooley coaches at UT. That's a pretty big difference. If he were to up and leave to Georgia, he would be even lower than kiffin in most peoples eyes around here
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#71
#71
SGMVols said:
Exactly. He left because the UT job is a clear upgrade to Louisiana Tech.

And about 99% of non-UT fans would consider the USC job an upgrade to the UT job (and before you try to bring up the probation, the sanctions came after the offer. If he took the job after the penalties came down, then there would be plenty of people wondering what he was thinking, myself included).
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Really? Everyone and their brother knew USC was getting hammered. Are you seriously suggesting that Kiffin didn't know the NCAA was about to hit them?
 
#72
#72
SGMVols said:
You know Dooley did the same thing to Louisiana Tech, right?
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Sorry SGM, wrong again. Dooley left with the support of the admins at LA tech. He had permission from the AD.... Himself! Ha ha! Really even you know kiffin was wrong the way he left. It's for the best...
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#73
#73
I'll say this one more time, and I'll never say it again. When Kiffin was hired, it was the 2010 schedule that I took a look at. Absolutely brutal.....I will go to my grave knowing that Kiffin didn't want to play our 2010 schedule with the talent he had coming back. Flame away, but this year was going to be rock bottom no matter who was coaching the team.

Maybe it is a blessing he was gone. Kiff was a master recruiter, but his second 6-6 season in a row may have cost him some momentum. I'm not saying it would, but it is certainly a possibility.

Dooley had a built in excuse for a terrible schedule during a low point in talent. Now Dooley must recruit.
 
#75
#75
Most fan bases will put up with a great coach regardless if he has class or not, and some fan bases will put up with a coach if he has class regardless of how great he is. Dooley is a class act and has the potential to become a great coach, only time will tell, so far I like what I see.

Kiffin will never be a great coach, and he will never have class. Sure he's currently having outstanding success recruiting and he markets himself well, but I'd say his fifteen minutes are about up, ESPN isn't even interested in him anymore.

USC is currently at full strength, sanctions do not kick in until after the season is over. They are loaded with poorly coached five star talent right now, their fundamentals are terrible and they play uninspired. They have so much depth one of their backups came here to start and excelled.

As much as I respect Monte, he really needs to retire, I was excited about Monte coming here and the recruits he would draw, now after seeing him in action, I'm glad he's gone.

Lane Kiffin packaged himself well and I completely understand why Hamilton took the bait, but thank God he is gone

I'm sure USC is having a major case of buyer's remorse right now, and Al Davis of all people is saying "I told you so"
 
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