Defending Fulmer

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UT IE 95 said:
How do you profess that Kiffin outcoached Fulmer? This should be good.
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Kiffin took the slop Fulmer couldn't beat Wyoming with minus a pretty high number of senior contributors and put up a better record.
 
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#306
UT IE 95 said:
OK. Simplify your "Arab-Israeli message boards" comment so the slower ones of us on the board can follow your supreme logic.
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Arabs. Israelis. Don't typically get along. Gamecocks. Vols. Don't typically get along.

Do you think I literally wanted you to go seek out some other message board and post there?
 
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#307
kptvol said:
Kiffin took the slop Fulmer couldn't beat Wyoming with minus a pretty high number of senior contributors and put up a better record.
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I can't argue with someone that really believes Kiffin is a better coach than Fulmer. I'll move along now.
 
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kptvol said:
Arabs. Israelis. Don't typically get along. Gamecocks. Vols. Don't typically get along.

Do you think I literally wanted you to go seek out some other message board and post there?
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Shocked this had to be spelled out.
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UT IE 95 said:
How do you profess that Kiffin outcoached Fulmer? This should be good.
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What KPT fails to mention is that Fulmer would have won 9-games with the "slop" (which only included 6-NFL draftees and 7 players who made an NFL roster). Kiffin managed to win two fewer than that, if we recall.

He also fails to realize that Hambone was responsible for the Wyoming fiasco. And the GoF are masters of making sure they get the final word.
 
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Fulmer was a good coach, but not in the great category. Varely rarely did he ever outcoach someone. He wasn't even in the same neighborhood of the elite SEC coaches like Saban, Meyer and Spurrier and even Less Miles.

He was able to take over UT at the right time when our talent was at all time high and keep it there for a few years while the SEC was in a downcycle overall with UT and UF being the main two teams. Fulmer shouldn't be penalized for that. It wasn't his fault other teams sucked at that time.

However blame does go to Fulmer for not adapting and changing as the game changed. Other teams saw weaknesses and improved. Fulmer saw weaknesses and if his friends happened to be involved, he ignored them. Sanders as OC, the Golden Girls def staff that was hands off due to Chavy, etc.
 
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kptvol said:
Sweet stuff. So you spent 15 years supporting a guy that got outcoached by this "dullard". Pretty quick on the uptake.
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Kiffin outcoached Fulmer, ok where is the punch line? You cant be effin serious. A grown man, able to type on a message board. Wait is that you Coach Kiffin? Is that you? If it is, thanks for calling our recruits, making an ass of yourself after the Chik-fil-a bowl, making UT the laughing stock of the SEC, and leaving us in the dust to clean up you. You are the man coach. Who cares about wins anyway? It dont matter that you couldnt win at Oakland, Tenn, or USC. You're better than that 75% winning percent, NC winning bum Fulmer.
 
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utgibbs said:
What KPT fails to mention is that Fulmer would have won 9-games with the "slop" (which only included 6-NFL draftees and 7 players who made an NFL roster). Kiffin managed to win two fewer than that, if we recall.

He also fails to realize that Hambone was responsible for the Wyoming fiasco. And the GoF are masters of making sure they get the final word.
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Ummm....what? Are you seriously saying that Fulmer would have won 9 games in 2009? With who as the QB? Nick Stephens and Taj Boyd leading the way and Jarvis Giles leading us in rushing and Ahmad Paige leading us in receiving with an OL anchored by such mean stalwarts as Preston Bailey and Ramone Johnson?

Blaming Hammy for the Wyoming loss is laughable. I was on the sidelines for that game and Wyoming's players were half the size of ours and also fatter, slower and softer than a typical Fulmer OL recruit.
 
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Bigun said:
Fulmer was a good coach, but not in the great category. Varely rarely did he ever outcoach someone. He wasn't even in the same neighborhood of the elite SEC coaches like Saban, Meyer and Spurrier and even Less Miles.
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Sorry, but his record speaks much much differently. He not only won more as an underdog than those elite coaches, but he was primarily responsible for getting UT where it was when he took over.

Having said all of that, I think he is a HoF coach, but not in the elites like Neyland, Bear, Saban, etc.
 
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utgibbs said:
What KPT fails to mention is that Fulmer would have won 9-games with the "slop" (which only included 6-NFL draftees and 7 players who made an NFL roster). Kiffin managed to win two fewer than that, if we recall.

He also fails to realize that Hambone was responsible for the Wyoming fiasco. And the GoF are masters of making sure they get the final word.
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Your prognostications are clearly borne out by the previous 4 seasons. Keep them coming. Recruiting was also headed north, and wouldn't it have been after all those big Ws.

We can blame anyone for losses, but it's retarded to exonerate the man paid a couple million per annum to avoid them.
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Bigun said:
Ummm....what? Are you seriously saying that Fulmer would have won 9 games in 2009? With who as the QB? Nick Stephens and Taj Boyd leading the way and Jarvis Giles leading us in rushing and Ahmad Paige leading us in receiving with an OL anchored by such mean stalwarts as Preston Bailey and Ramone Johnson?

Blaming Hammy for the Wyoming loss is laughable. I was on the sidelines for that game and Wyoming's players were half the size of ours and also fatter, slower and softer than a typical Fulmer OL recruit.
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Of course he would have, and he would have done it with JC. Might have done it with BJC. Ahmad Paige might have put us in the SECCG last year, actually. When we lost GJ, we lost the ability to convert third downs. Creer was the desperately needed second back we didn't really have.

As for paragraph two - all the more reason the Hambone Experiment is ABSOLUTELY responsible for the debacle.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Your prognostications are clearly borne out by the previous 4 seasons. Keep them coming. Recruiting was also headed north, and wouldn't it have been after all those big Ws.
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They are exactly borne out by the previous four seasons.

:hi:
 
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utgibbs said:
Sorry, but his record speaks much much differently. He not only won more as an underdog than those elite coaches, but he was primarily responsible for getting UT where it was when he took over.

Having said all of that, I think he is a HoF coach, but not in the elites like Neyland, Bear, Saban, etc.
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Fulmers record is interesting. 30% of his wins came in a 4 years period (95-98). His last 4 years of coaching he had two losing seasons and his record was 29-21 with blowout losses scattered throughout the 07 and 08 seasons when we weren't competitive.

Seems more and more obvious that Fulmer had a tough tough time handling the team without Cutcliff there. Have never seen an Asst Coach like Cut have such a positive effect on a program.
 
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utgibbs said:
Of course he would have, and he would have done it with JC. Might have done it with BJC. Ahmad Paige might have put us in the SECCG last year, actually. When we lost GJ, we lost the ability to convert third downs. Creer was the desperately needed second back we didn't really have.

As for paragraph two - all the more reason the Hambone Experiment is ABSOLUTELY responsible for the debacle.
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If you aren't going to be serious then just get out of the thread.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I can't argue with someone that really believes Kiffin is a better coach than Fulmer. I'll move along now.
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In that case, there likely aren't many people across the country you could argue with.

utgibbs said:
What KPT fails to mention is that Fulmer would have won 9-games with the "slop" (which only included 6-NFL draftees and 7 players who made an NFL roster). Kiffin managed to win two fewer than that, if we recall.

He also fails to realize that Hambone was responsible for the Wyoming fiasco. And the GoF are masters of making sure they get the final word.
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And here you are with your mindless drivel.
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utgibbs said:
Of course he would have, and he would have done it with JC. Might have done it with BJC. Ahmad Paige might have put us in the SECCG last year, actually. When we lost GJ, we lost the ability to convert third downs. Creer was the desperately needed second back we didn't really have.

As for paragraph two - all the more reason the Hambone Experiment is ABSOLUTELY responsible for the debacle.
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And just who would have been his OC?????
 
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Big Orange 1 said:
Kiffin outcoached Fulmer, ok where is the punch line? You cant be effin serious. A grown man, able to type on a message board. Wait is that you Coach Kiffin? Is that you? If it is, thanks for calling our recruits, making an ass of yourself after the Chik-fil-a bowl, making UT the laughing stock of the SEC, and leaving us in the dust to clean up you. You are the man coach. Who cares about wins anyway? It dont matter that you couldnt win at Oakland, Tenn, or USC. You're better than that 75% winning percent, NC winning bum Fulmer.
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If you want to go rewatch 2008 and 2009 and say that all again, have at it. You're statements here clearly indicate you're allowing your emotions over other things Kiffin has one to affect how you're judging his coaching.
 
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utgibbs said:
They are exactly borne out by the previous four seasons.

:hi:
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Fulmer tanking with a loaded team in 2005 then hiring a guy he knew could actually run a practice for his offense to get him back to halfway decent doesn't prove he could make something of the empty roster left after his senior-laden 2008 team tanked.
 
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