Defending Fulmer

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Volfan8282 said:
Name some really good SEC coaches in the 90's aside from Spurrier and Stallings.
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So PF was, call it the 3rd best coach in the SEC for a decade in the 90's and had a 4 yr run with a NC that was unmatched by Spurrier and Stallings, who will be in the college football HOF and he deserves no credit? All luck of the draw?
How do you fools not realize how foolish that sounds? Seriously. This is coming from a guy who knew PF was toast in 2000 and was ready after 2002.
 
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pl3 said:
So PF was, call it the 3rd best coach in the SEC for a decade in the 90's and had a 4 yr run with a NC that was unmatched by Spurrier and Stallings, who will be in the college football HOF and he deserves no credit? All luck of the draw?
How do you fools not realize how foolish that sounds? Seriously. This is coming from a guy who knew PF was toast in 2000 and was ready after 2002.
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Who said he deserves no credit? That said, if you knew he was toast as early as 2000, you must have known something was up other than him just being an awesome coach and then losing it all of a sudden.
 
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kptvol said:
So what's the excuse then for the decade without a conference title? Why was the talent level so bad in 2009? Why was a team loaded with seniors so unbelievably horrible in 2008? He either was coaching very badly or not trying very hard. Either way, time to go.
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Seriously, do you think PF did anything good at Tenn? Seriously, were :
75% winning percentage good?
(2) SEC Titles good?
(1) NC good?

Can you not say one thing good about his career?
 
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#1,006
kptvol said:
Who said he deserves no credit? That said, if you knew he was toast as early as 2000, you must have known something was up other than him just being an awesome coach and then losing it all of a sudden.
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Some on here do. It's obvious. Just lucky--bad SEC--no coaches--bad x's and o's--misuse of talent.

And yes, human nature dictates that many who reach a lofty goal are never the same. Only the elite continue to strive to stay on top. You haven't seen me say much, if anything, positive about PF after 2000.
 
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pl3 said:
Some on here do. It's obvious. Just lucky--bad SEC--no coaches--bad x's and o's--misuse of talent.

And yes, human nature dictates that many who reach a lofty goal are never the same. Only the elite continue to strive to stay on top. You haven't seen me say much, if anything, positive about PF after 2000.
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All of those are true. That doesn't mean that he doesn't deserve any credit. He got a lot of that talent to UT. But, having said that, his inflated record does not put him anywhere close to the top of any list in term's of coaching acumen. A competent coach would've done a lot more with the talent he brought in... especially after 1999.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
The SEC wasn't strong for the majority of Fulmer's successful years aside from Spurrier who owned him.
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and continuing this logic ...

all steve superior had to do was beat CPF, because everyone else in the SEC sucked. oh wait a minute, CPF sucked, too. yet despite that, and despite being in the most talent rich state in the SEC, CSS only won 6 SECC and one NC (that he backed into, not by running the table).

so who was the bigger failure in the 90s, CPF or CSS?
 
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Volfan8282 said:
All of those are true. That doesn't mean that he doesn't deserve any credit. He got a lot of that talent to UT. But, having said that, his inflated record does not put him anywhere close to the top of any list in term's of coaching acumen. A competent coach would've done a lot more with the talent he brought in... especially after 1999.
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Yet the only names given to me that may have better records over a 10 yr span or have a 4 yr run like PF had are a 4-5 future hall of famers. That includes pac 10, sec, big 10, big 12, big east and acc over the past 30+ years.
 
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pl3 said:
Yet the only names given to me that may have better records over a 10 yr span or have a 4 yr run like PF had are a 4-5 future hall of famers. That includes pac 10, sec, big 10, big 12, big east and acc over the past 30+ years.
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There is much more than the few names I gave you. You asked for 10+ year spans, not 4 year runs.

If you want to go back 30+ years, you have to include Bryant, Switzer, and a long list of others.

Fulmer probably had the third best 4 year run from 1995-1998. He's not even top 3 over the first 7 years of his career.
 
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tm3 said:
and continuing this logic ...

all steve superior had to do was beat CPF, because everyone else in the SEC sucked. oh wait a minute, CPF sucked, too. yet despite that, and despite being in the most talent rich state in the SEC, CSS only won 6 SECC and one NC (that he backed into, not by running the table).

so who was the bigger failure in the 90s, CPF or CSS?
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Eh, Spurrier had a few years that I'm sure he'd love to have back as do all coaches. But, as GAVol said, there were a few decent teams that would pop up. Fulmer lost to some of them. Spurrier lost to some of them. My point was simply that between the two powerhouses, Spurrier coached circles around him. Spurrier didn't have 3 times the talent as UT (6 SECC vs. 2 SECC).
 
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tvolsfan said:
There is much more than the few names I gave you. You asked for 10+ year spans, not 4 year runs.

If you want to go back 30+ years, you have to include Bryant, Switzer, and a long list of others.

Fulmer probably had the third best 4 year run from 1995-1998. He's not even top 3 over the first 7 years of his career.
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Either list them or stop talking about a long list. Since say, 1980, what coaches were able to go a decade at one school and average 10 wins/yr?
 
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pl3 said:
Either list them or stop talking about a long list. Since say, 1980, what coaches were able to go a decade at one school and average 10 wins/yr?
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I'm not looking more names up, so I'll have to go off the top of my head. Before I do, are you including guys who's 10 year run started before 1980?
 
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pl3 said:
Either list them or stop talking about a long list. Since say, 1980, what coaches were able to go a decade at one school and average 10 wins/yr?
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Osborne, Bowden, Stoops and Spurrier are the ones I can think of since 1980. Switzer and Tressel are probably close on tenure. Paterno might qualify also.
 
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pl3 said:
Either list them or stop talking about a long list. Since say, 1980, what coaches were able to go a decade at one school and average 10 wins/yr?
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Stoops, Carroll, Snyder, Patterson, Bowden, Spurrier, Richt, Brown, Beamer, Tressel, Osborne...
 
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pl3 said:
Either list them or stop talking about a long list. Since say, 1980, what coaches were able to go a decade at one school and average 10 wins/yr?
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Dont you know? Everybody did, there were so many. And I just searched through the entire college football encyclopedia. What I found interesting is that Phillip Fulmer is the only coach in the history of this great game to get upset (2008 Wyoming). Unreal, its the only upset in the history of college football.

BTW, I had the great pleasure of meeting my all-time favorite Volunteer last year. None other than #27 Al Wilson. I will post on the blackberry if I meet him again this year, so, some of you geniuses can come and tell him he played and won a championship against a weak SEC.
 
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GAVol said:
I think the last couple of years have made Richt come up short.
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Maybe...a couple of my guys were a year or so short of a decade too, but I figure it's all close enough to illustrate the point.

Holtz, Carr, and Paterno were missing from my list. You can toss them in that group as well. Probably still missing some obvious choices.
 
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pl3 said:
Either list them or stop talking about a long list. Since say, 1980, what coaches were able to go a decade at one school and average 10 wins/yr?
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this will back up your point.

tom osborne
steve spurrier
bobby bowden
mack brown
jim tressel
lavell edwards
frank beamer

joe paterno never had a ten year run during any point of his career where penn state averaged 10 wins a year.

barry switzer also never had a ten year run where he averaged 10 wins a year over ten years.

there may be others.
 
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Big Orange 1 said:
Seriously, do you think PF did anything good at Tenn? Seriously, were :
75% winning percentage good?
(2) SEC Titles good?
(1) NC good?

Can you not say one thing good about his career?
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If your only points are going to be: "You love Kiffin" "You give Fulmer zero credit for anything" and "You want a coach that wins every game every year", you can just stop posting.
 
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99gator said:
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barry switzer also never had a ten year run where he averaged 10 wins a year over ten years.
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I'm sure you are probably right, but I never would have guessed that. Switzer really had things rolling in the 70s and early 80s.

I'd bet that Bill McCartney probably is close to qualifying with his run at Colorado in the 80s and very early 90s.
 
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