Defending Fulmer

#977
#977
vol_in_il said:
someone that didn't live through losing to Bama 11 years and 7 years in a row....

don't worry though...Hambone has set us up for that again
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In the divisional era, Florida is the most important game on the schedule.
 
#978
#978
99gator said:
i don't know if gator fans would agree with me. maybe several wouldn't.

but, if you told me now.....that muschamp over the next 12 years at florida would.....

be 9-2 against florida state (fulmer was 9-2-1 in vs. bama)
be 4-8 against georgia (fulmer was 4-8 vs. florida)
be 8-4 against tennessee (fulmer was 8-4 vs. georgia)

give me 2 sec titles and a national title.

i would take it.
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Be tough not to take that.

But if they said that in the next 16 years, you would:

Be 10-5 against Florida State
Be 4-12 against Georgia
Be 10-6 against Tennessee

win 2 SEC titles, 1 national title

have a losing record in two of the last four seasons, including losses to Vanderbilt and Florida Atlantic


Would you take that?
 
#979
#979
Incipient said:
Be tough not to take that.

But if they said that in the next 16 years, you would:

Be 10-5 against Florida State
Be 4-12 against Georgia
Be 10-6 against Tennessee

win 2 SEC titles, 1 national title

have a losing record in two of the last four seasons, including losses to Vanderbilt and Florida Atlantic


Would you take that?
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don't know if i would take that, but again, i never was defending 2005-2008.

to say it one more time, the majority of his time at tennessee was very good. 12 years is the majority of time.

the end of his career was worthy of being sent packing. i would be thankful for the 12 year portion of his career. i would be disappointed in the last 4 years of his career.

i would be forever appreciative of the national title because they don't come around too often.

i would not bow down to him like he was the greatest coach of all time, but i would not speak of him like the crap that's stuck to the bottom of my shoe.
 
#980
#980
SGMVols said:
In the divisional era, Florida is the most important game on the schedule.
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Negative. Regardless of divisions, UAT is and always will be the most important game on the schedule. I'm amazed some fans don't understand what the Third Saturday in October means.
 
#981
#981
I wouldn't call 2002-2004 really all that good just based on Spurrier leaving and Phil letting the SEC overtake him. He should have leveraged his position as a superpower and managed to stay on top of the conference, then this uphill battle to "right the ship" never would have even been an issue and he'd have won the conference a couple more times and probably had enough clout to withstand a 2008-ish season.
 
#982
#982
UT IE 95 said:
Negative. Regardless of divisions, UAT is and always will be the most important game on the schedule. I'm amazed some fans don't understand what the Third Saturday in October means.
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It's a hard to downplay Bama, but as it relates to winning the conference, which is the goal of every season, the Florida game is more important.
 
#983
#983
99gator said:
don't know if i would take that, but again, i never was defending 2005-2008.

to say it one more time, the majority of his time at tennessee was very good. 12 years is the majority of time.

the end of his career was worthy of being sent packing. i would be thankful for the 12 year portion of his career. i would be disappointed in the last 4 years of his career.

i would be forever appreciative of the national title because they don't come around too often.

i would not bow down to him like he was the greatest coach of all time, but i would not speak of him like the crap that's stuck to the bottom of my shoe.
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I agree with all of this, although I'd say years 10-12, while good, were somewhat disappointing. Florida had just made a terrible hire, and Tennessee had a chance to become the preeminent program in the SEC. We had one SECCG appearance and no titles in that span.
 
#984
#984
How is this still being debated? The man went 10-23-1 against his main competition in the SEC. That's why he was fired. Plain and simple. No one can argue that or defend that. Everyone keeps discussing his record against Alabama... Mike freaking Shula and the like are the reason why Fulmer was successful against Alabama, not b/c of Fulmer.
 
#985
#985
Volfan8282 said:
How is this still being debated? The man went 10-23-1 against his main competition in the SEC. That's why he was fired. Plain and simple. No one can argue that or defend that. Everyone keeps discussing his record against Alabama... Mike freaking Shula and the like are the reason why Fulmer was successful against Alabama, not b/c of Fulmer.
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Remind me who was coaching during the biggest beatdown of the last two decades (prior to 2010) in that series.
 
#987
#987
Incipient said:
Remind me who was coaching during the biggest beatdown of the last two decades (prior to 2010) in that series.
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One game makes up for a 10-23-1 record? Stallings was the only coach in the SEC worth a crap that Fulmer had a winning record against... 2-1-1. Incredible.
 
#988
#988
Volfan8282 said:
How is this still being debated? The man went 10-23-1 against his main competition in the SEC. That's why he was fired. Plain and simple. No one can argue that or defend that. Everyone keeps discussing his record against Alabama... Mike freaking Shula and the like are the reason why Fulmer was successful against Alabama, not b/c of Fulmer.
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Because people like you either don't pay attention or don't have proper reasoning skills that allow you to understand the debate. Your lack of knowledge of the debate and only talking about his last few years is the damn debate.
 
#990
#990
Volfan8282 said:
One game makes up for a 10-23-1 record? Stallings was the only coach in the SEC worth a crap that Fulmer had a winning record against... 2-1-1. Incredible.
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Never said he deserved to be retained or that his career in the 2000s was any good. But you can't just take away the 90s by saying that every other coach was a moron.
 
#992
#992
Fulmer had a good run till 2001. It's been down hill ever since.
 
#993
#993
pl3 said:
Because people like you either don't pay attention or don't have proper reasoning skills that allow you to understand the debate. Your lack of knowledge of the debate and only talking about his last few years is the damn debate.
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My lack of knowledge? Please tell me what I'm missing. The SEC wasn't strong for the majority of Fulmer's successful years aside from Spurrier who owned him. The SEC got serious around 2000 with its hires, and Fulmer was exposed. What am I not reasoning correctly? The guy went 10-23-1 against guys like Spurrier, Saban, Meyer, etc. You get fired if that happens. Pretty simple.

I have nothing personal really against Fulmer. He just was relatively lucky that the SEC couldn't get their act together, and Fulmer still only won 2 SEC championships even with that help. He was a really good/great recruiter when he cared who was a below average coach in practice and on the field. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
#995
#995
Incipient said:
Never said he deserved to be retained or that his career in the 2000s was any good. But you can't just take away the 90s by saying that every other coach was a moron.
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Name some really good SEC coaches in the 90's aside from Spurrier and Stallings.
 
#998
#998
Volfan8282 said:
Name some really good SEC coaches in the 90's aside from Spurrier and Stallings.
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The SEC didn't have great coaching talent in the 90s. But Fulmer did have a winning record against Stallings, including a beatdown in 1995. He did beat one of Ohio State's best teams of the decade in that same season. He did beat Bobby Bowden in the National Championship game. That's not nothing.
 
#999
#999
Volfan8282 said:
Name some really good SEC coaches in the 90's aside from Spurrier and Stallings.
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There weren't any that I would call remotely great, but Terry Bowden, Jackie Sherill, Houston Nutt, Jim Donnan and even Ray Goff and Mike Dubose all had good years in there.
 
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