Davenport Fired

I really respect what you do, Sam. And appreciate you, as well.

I've heard many university humanities departments are eaten up with post-modernism and identity politics--women's studies, __[insert religion here]__ studies, __[insert ethnicity here]__ studies, __[insert other identity group here]__ studies. But it sounds like that's not your experience at UT-M. I'm thrilled to hear it.

Is this gibberish, I'm speaking? Is this completely different from everything you know, not just about UT-Martin but all other universities as well?

It's gibberish you're speaking. If I showed up for a class in Engineering or Math or pretty much any of the core classes and they started talking about politics, I'd have probably asked for my money back.

The people blaming this on "liberal arts" are just seeing the word "liberal" and assuming based on crap they clearly don't know anything about.

Sure wish we could go back to talking about football instead of a big red circle jerk.
 
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there's enough here to chew on either way.

which is why i still say we'll know a lot more once we see who gets hired/when, and what, if any, connections there are to HOH.
 
the only thing i would say to that is, since when does HOH care about looking bad??? they've got that market cornered. Go Browns! lol.

:)

I agree, ultimately I don't think they care, but to the extent that they can manage it, it is a consideration. If they can easily avoid "looking bad" and still get what they want they'll opt to not look bad. What they really want is to have no "look" at all, either good or bad. They are very careful to disguise everything they do. They want to be known as conspicuous and large benefactors to the University, but at the same time not be seen as meddling in its affairs. They don't do a very good job of that. I know "Bill Haslam to President or Chancellor" is a common theory, but that would be waaaay too obvious. Then again, he's been either the Mayor of Knoxville or Governor of Tennessee for the last 15 years. Who knows.

As you say we won't really know how and to what extent HOH was involved until we see who the new President and Chancellor are. And I'd love to see some released emails/texts from this episode too. :)
 
Don't understand the hate for Mike Leach. Would take him over Kelly any day of the week.

He has the most wins in Texas Tech history.
His last three years at Washington State: 9-4, 8-5, and 9-4.

Do you know how hard it is to recruit to WSU?
Pullman, WA's 2010 census had it's population at less than 30,000.
and TT with Texas getting whomever they wanted.

And he was still able to win. Imagine if he was at School with resources like UT?
I feel he might be able to recruit, especially if he got Asst coaches that were good at it.

Scott Frost has the potential.

I like Pruitt, and I am liking him more each day. Especially with the coaching staff he has assembled.
 
I keep seeing everyone jump on the idea that Davenport went against the Haslams and even Basilio has obviously been reading the message board because he has picked up the same narrative. Question is...does anybody have any specific example of how she went against the Haslams other than an obscure idea that she didn't give some contracts to their cronies?? Don't get me wrong, I can't stand the Haslams and their influence, but given the fact that she hired the Haslam puppet in the first place, this narrative makes little sense.
 
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I keep seeing everyone jump on the idea that Davenport went against the Haslams and even Basilio has obviously been reading the message board because he has picked up the same narrative. Question is...does anybody have any specific example of how she went against the Haslams other than an obscure idea that she didn't give some contracts to their cronies?? Don't get me wrong, I can't stand the Haslams and their influence, but given the fact that she hired the Haslam puppet in the first place, this narrative makes little sense.

she fired currie, and hired fulmer.
 
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I keep seeing everyone jump on the idea that Davenport went against the Haslams and even Basilio has obviously been reading the message board because he has picked up the same narrative. Question is...does anybody have any specific example of how she went against the Haslams other than an obscure idea that she didn't give some contracts to their cronies?? Don't get me wrong, I can't stand the Haslams and their influence, but given the fact that she hired the Haslam puppet in the first place, this narrative makes little sense.

I think it makes a lot of sense. HOH has a ton of money and resources but they are not infallible (just look at the Cleveland Browns). It is entirely possible they pushed for Davenport because they thought she'd be another lackey, but as time went on she bucked their system.

IMO, she appears to have been fired because of 1) her actions post-Currie and 2) her failure to outsource the facilities management staff. I think she listened too much to people seen as malcontents, not the establishment.

Those two things, combined with the fact that the stuff in DiPietro's termination letter might be entirely accurate (though not the whole picture), are why she was fired.
 
I just had a thought, and I may be giving entirely too much credit to Dr. Joe... But after the AD search and hire Dr. Joe hired CPF to a special advisory role that reported directly to him and was a link between the AD and the President. So my thought is........ Could this be Dr. J bucking against the HOH one last time before his retirement by cleaning out all the Haslams puppets and making hires that go in a different direction from what the Haslams had orchestrated? Or could this possibly be a changing of the guard move so to speak as in a different prominent booster has "taken over" and has ordered Dr. J to replace the Haslams hires.

I know it's probably just wishful thinking and I'm probably giving to much credit where it doesn't belong but it's just a thought I had.

Hmmm - I hadn’t looked at it this way... 👀
 
The general thinking is that they don't want the next President's first act to be firing the Chancellor. That's a bad look. So have DiPietro fire the Chancellor now, then he retires. Then get a new President (picked by HOH), who hires a new Chancellor (picked by HOH).

I could see the specific HOH play at the moment being to get a Davenport underling as interim Chancellor and then push to have the interim tag removed once the new President is hired. That way it is highly likely to be someone under total control of HOH and without a lot of power themselves.

It's truly sad to have to say this, but from HOH's perspective the worst thing to have happen is for Tennessee football to begin to rebound and for Pruitt to succeed. They absolutely want Fulmer out as AD - in fact, I think the proximate cause of Davenport's firing was signing Fulmer to that extension - but as long as the football program is on a upward trajectory he won't be able to remove Phil.

You think UT football is more important than it actually is as compared to running the state university's $2.3 billion budget. Athletics is part of Statewide, Student Services which is only 7% of the total budget.

So UTK Athletics Department including the football program is the larger fraction of the statewide STUDENT SERVICES budget category of which athletics is a sub-category and football is a sub-sub-category.

Granted, the UTK AD is self supporting, but it's a little more than peanuts compared to the whole.

Now, having said that, as Dr. Andy Holt, the president from 59 to 70 and oversaw UTs largest growth, observed that, "Football is UT's front porch". And it does have serious economic impact on Knoxville and Volunteer football's reputation impacts many things across the state.
 
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And was allowed to do both. And has been fired for doing so. Some say. Idk.

lol. for some reason, i think the firing of currie, kinda/sorta fell in the category of "don't ask for permission now, ask for forgiveness later".

idk either. it's just big news, on the heels of what's been a tumultuous couple years at the top administratively, and there's some dots being connected that may or may not be connectable.........

edit: perfect for message board fodder.
 
It's gibberish you're speaking. If I showed up for a class in Engineering or Math or pretty much any of the core classes and they started talking about politics, I'd have probably asked for my money back.

The people blaming this on "liberal arts" are just seeing the word "liberal" and assuming based on crap they clearly don't know anything about.

Sure wish we could go back to talking about football instead of a big red circle jerk.

I don't think anyone said anything about any of this being linked to a liberal (or liberal arts) education. Most folks know that "liberal education" does not refer to political ideology, rather the liberal = free version of the term.(1)

What we're talking about is what's reportedly happening in the humanities departments (English, Sociology, Philosophy, the Arts, etc.) of many universities around the US. Not in the STEM fields.

So, sure, talking politics would be odd in your Math or Engineering classes. It would also be odd for a STEM department to have Women's Studies, Jewish Studies, or Asian Studies fields and concentrations. But those are common in humanities departments all over the US today. And that's a sign of identity politics at work.

Are you on the faculty of a university, Tourney? I'm looking for feedback from Sam and other folks who are. Esp. those in the humanities.



(1) "The liberal arts are those subjects or skills that in classical antiquity were considered essential for a free person (Latin: liberalis, "worthy of a free person")." Rhetoric and logic, along with languages, math, music and astronomy, were the core fields back in ancient times. Today they would include practically everything you can find at any major college or university.
 
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You think UT football is more important than it actually is as compared to running the state university's $2.3 billion budget. Athletics is part of Statewide, Student Services which is only 7% of the total budget.

So UTK Athletics Department including the football program is the larger fraction of the statewide STUDENT SERVICES budget category of which athletics is a sub-category and football is a sub-sub-category.

Granted, the UTK AD is self supporting, but it's a little more than peanuts compared to the whole.

Now, having said that, as Dr. Andy Holt, the president from 59 to 70 and oversaw UTs largest growth, observed that, "Football is UT's front porch". And it does have serious economic impact on Knoxville and Volunteer football's reputation impacts many things across the state.

The bolded part is key. The University System has a $2.3 billion budget. Large, to be sure. But isn't a lot of it, from year to year, kind of on autopilot? How much do the allocations to various things really change each year? Is there even a lot of serious, required debate about it each year?

What Holt understood (accurately) is that athletics, particularly football, has a great impact on the reputation and brand of the entire university system. It's hard to put an exact dollar value on that, but it is immense. It affects the perception of the university not just in the state but nationwide. And that's not even talking about the economic impact on Knoxville and the surrounding area. I was in Boston last summer and one of the days I was there I wore a Tennessee polo. I was walking down the street and a Boston cop, stopped in his patrol car at an intersection, started singing Rocky Top. That's purely because of football. Now, does a person in Boston knowing the Power T and Rocky Top bring in another dime to the school? No, but I think you get the point.

The impact that the success of the Alabama football program has had on that school and the entire state is immeasurable and will last for generations. Hell, Bear Bryant is still very much the "brand" of the University of Alabama and he's been dead 35 years. Saban has even furthered that tradition and their national brand. Enrollment at UA, particularly out-of-state enrollment, has exploded there over the last decade (hundreds of millions more into the coffers). The overall impact of their football program alone, over the years, is in the billions of dollars. Both for the University and Tuscaloosa/Birmingham/the surrounding area.

Rightly or wrongly, football has outsized importance here and at many other schools. But even when appropriately sized, it is still very important. So yes, I absolutely think Davenport could be fired for a football-related decision.
 
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If I’m looking at this from a “what will keep Tennessee down” standpoint, there’s NO DOUBT that I’d prefer Jeremy Pruitt to Mike Leach. Leach was a known, proven commodity with tons of experience as head coach and all sorts of positive intangibles. Pruitt? Not even the best coordinator available, with no head coaching experience.

Mullen was the primary recruiter for more Gator players than I can mention here, and held his own at Miss State, and is doing very good so far as HC at Florida. And it’ll get even better once he gets the offense rolling
Completely believe you...














Would lie and sell your own family out rather than tell the truth about us. Lie on your own time or save your finger pressure. :)
 
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ahhhh ****

It has been rumored that Bill Haslam will be the next UT president after his term is up. DiPietro has already announced his retirement a few months ago before this all began. Getting rid of Davenport now, which I fully support, gives Bill the opportunity to search for the chancellor he wants. Most people don't know that what comes with being the governor of Tennessee is that you, as governor, are also the chairman of the board of trustees for UT. The board has recently gone through a revision/reduction of persons on the board but Bill still has control while he is still in office. You put the rest of the puzzle together.
 
I hope this is what it is all about.

I also think we the fans need to stand up to any attempts by the Haslams to take over UT athletics...I liked him as Governor. I do not like him in control of UT sports.

You are referring to the wrong Haslam. The governor, Bill, is the good Haslam. Jimmy, his brother is the bad one and who has been influencing the board of trustees on the poor decisions that have been made over the past years, while big brother Bill was running the state. One of Jimmy's best friends was on the board for years and was just recently removed.
 
You are referring to the wrong Haslam. The governor, Bill, is the good Haslam. Jimmy, his brother is the bad one and who has been influencing the board of trustees on the poor decisions that have been made over the past years, while big brother Bill was running the state. One of Jimmy's best friends was on the board for years and was just recently removed.

We'd be remiss if we didn't mention Big Jim (Jimmy and Bill's dad).
 
I keep seeing everyone jump on the idea that Davenport went against the Haslams and even Basilio has obviously been reading the message board because he has picked up the same narrative. Question is...does anybody have any specific example of how she went against the Haslams other than an obscure idea that she didn't give some contracts to their cronies?? Don't get me wrong, I can't stand the Haslams and their influence, but given the fact that she hired the Haslam puppet in the first place, this narrative makes little sense.

Basillio has been predicting the ouster of Davenport for a while. Pretty much after the Currie firing.
 

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